Power Play 9/27/2013: Obamacare & honoring George Washington
Obama stumbles into fight on ObamaCare, showdown in the Senate and Honoring George Washington at Mount Vernon
Sep 27, 2013
Rep. Steve Stivers, Doug Thornell
Obama stumbles into fight on ObamaCare, showdown in the Senate and Honoring George Washington at Mount Vernon
Sep 27, 2013
Rep. Steve Stivers, Doug Thornell
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Is the scene.
At Mount Vernon.
The former -- Of America's first president and let's go ahead and admit -- -- president George Washington.
As they dedicate.
In his honor.
In the presidential library for the first president and this is power play.
And because we are homeless for the time being Internet we have been as you know on the road in the -- took us a little farther away from Capitol Hill today.
We had the opportunity to come down here to Mount Vernon.
The regular television was here so we thought we would jump at the chance because we know you love America and if you love America.
You -- George Washington and not coincidentally probably also -- -- Cameron's campaign Carl Cameron.
Who is down here and I'm.
I wouldn't say disappointed I'm not disappointed because you know so much about George Washington but I was so looking forward to coming down here today and talking about Dan Pfeiffer.
And bully tactics back and forward and the debt ceiling.
-- aren't how it's gonna affect the mid terms.
-- -- down here you're like you're like I'm gusts from great lofts.
Patriotic and historian graphical -- And I can't bring you down this is this is great.
First -- way way way over due.
We've had presidents since FDR blog at presidential libraries as part of a taxpayer funded and privately funded exercise for presidential libraries but that's fairly new -- -- -- right back in the day starting with the first president George W George Washington.
You didn't leave your stuff around for the government it's a good -- he didn't want people plowing through it and Martha had -- like no -- and and and we're not gonna do that.
And it wasn't -- many many years after he'd left the White House -- that you know I got so many books and volumes I'm gonna need a library Sunday noticed 235 years later after the country's founded and we finally have a place to house all the stuff and have been collecting it from all over the world.
There is even a letter from mark between George and Martha back in the days like three of those left in the world.
And this is about way more than the stuff that you grew up learning in grade school you know -- -- -- there are so Smart only figured out that that bit about how won't -- alive it did cut down a cherry tree.
Was not actually a true story.
There's so much -- he wasn't just the president he was an innovator and a man of science and agriculture and industry at his place where he was buried over here it is -- in Mount Vernon.
He's gotten some credit for that he was a -- -- he was an international traitor of the week he was of man in full and this view this this research facility will begin the process of letting people see that think of what.
Students in this area we'll get to see -- if they make an appointment can come in and see the books that George Washington himself read from and learn who he was.
And there was the general and we hear about you know.
Crossing the Delaware that -- -- various different battles but who the man was was.
Incredibly thoughtful and and a real visionary.
-- -- he was only educated formally -- toll was ten years old and yet he was.
An incredibly important contributor to industry and science and the development of this country a whole host of levels and they're just finally getting around to honoring this guy.
Well the little power plays are excited about it they know what they called George Washington's farm very well and the like -- every time and days that we spend a lot of times sure and they like his -- And they like the barn and stuff you know as you say this takes it to a new level of scholarship but let me -- Let me just try.
That's hard for me to think that in there would be a letter.
In which in a political discourse George Washington would have sent one of his political at -- days.
Out and had them -- the anti federalists.
It's mind blowing it really is mind blowing.
Which is not to say that George Washington as the general was not tough on his -- on his enemies and tough on his troops in order to Clinton's claim victory.
But that's just ridiculous in fact.
-- George Washington himself said over two centuries ago.
Nobody can get this right.
-- TI there about he -- that it is very bad repeatedly to anything EST -- materials he said he said that we need to be.
To mind are borrowing and spending.
We need to watch our debts we need to make sure that we control our level of commitment so that as a country and as a people we don't get overextended.
I think -- I'm paraphrasing I actually coverage that is part of it but but the point of this was.
This -- like so many of the problems that we are now supposedly paralyzed by just across the Potomac at the capitol.
Are issues that have been with this country from the very beginning and it's perhaps worth noting that George Washington said.
Don't go into debt.
Don't over borrow.
Don't spend what you can't pay for Andy and yes you do need to reason to raise taxes but never to the point of choking off of lifeline the oxygen the ability to make a living of the American people.
Washington's -- part of the genius of Washington as a political figure and as a political leader.
Was that he found ways to appeal and if he was only able to do this because of rank partisan acrimony.
Between people like Hamilton and Jefferson.
And the and the others but he found a way to establish the presidency -- a place a -- The in and out the pettiness and he he couldn't summon people beyond partisan interest he -- people beyond those -- -- national interest.
That is the presidents sometimes go to that but that has not been that has not been a -- -- say cardinal virtue.
Is something that you can't talk about George Washington without that's in the first sentence.
Before he got into public service he was out surveying the forests of Virginia and what is now west West Virginia.
At the edge of what was a great frontier and seeing in Madison young man in his in his two in his -- -- an early twenties.
Realizing that it was the beginning of not just westward -- but the advancement of the entire planet as bad as as a consequence of what the potential he saw.
Long before he had.
A much much of anything.
That level of vision is immense and the way he then applied real life experiences.
If there there are some corollary is here we complain all the time in Washington that men and women come to DC and they -- -- to lose their way they lose their compasses.
They're trapped by promises that they were made in ignorance and they -- that they didn't know they couldn't keep.
And we want to have people or Washington outsiders while.
The original Washington outsider was a fairly uneducated man who educated himself and mastered all kinds of skills and disciplines.
And he was a man of accomplishment and he ran into the and he he was awarded hell we impose the presidency on him after the -- after the revolution.
And he did a pretty darn good job all right whether it's the 21 century.
Or the eighteenth -- human knows the politics of -- and we are grateful that you -- -- for the Internet and April a little bit of a powdered wig and some silk stockings up there on the capital -- -- -- -- -- -- years on both -- would be -- have been there -- -- to answer the question general Washington live free or -- question what did you -- that's -- -- -- you don't tread -- us.
Well we will tread on anyway.
When we come back will be joined by a Republican congressman who's gonna have quite a bit this -- about whether we have a good old -- government shut down.
Next week and what they're gonna do about that as we step back to the 21 century.
And those politics so stick around.
And that is this seeing him on the floor of the United States senate.
As lawmakers make ready for hey you pull votes series soon to come.
On a funding the government for a couple of months.
And this is power play welcome back welcome back to George Washington's Mount Vernon estate.
Where we are privileged to be today as they dedicate.
His presidential library the great George Washington's so we're glad to do that we're glad to have you here we are also glad.
Dinner -- shoot to congressman Steve that's diverse.
From the Buckeye State the great state of Ohio congressman welcome -- Way to Mount Vernon thank you it's great how we doing you know with you it's it's it's a good day hopefully we can make it a great day by try -- do.
Get a compromise -- -- keep the government open and reduce spending.
There's not a lot of talk like that going around in the senate today though congressmen.
And it sounds like.
The most likely scenario today is the Democrats are going to succeed in stripping out.
A measure that you all sent to them that would keep the government operating through mid November but strip out funding for the president's health law.
And it sounds like it's headed back your way.
What do you do next in this ping pong match.
Well I think.
We will come together and figure out what we can do they've also shortened -- -- we're only talking about a six we continue resolution we're not talking about.
Funding the government for the rest of the year or even through December as ours did.
So it's only a six week continuing resolution where they've changed that are expected changes so.
For six weeks you know that's.
That's obviously not a long period so we're not probably gonna get major major things included and what we need to focus on I believe is the spending level.
And figure out how to make sure that we avoid.
Could be a huge disaster.
Of a government -- for our troops and our country.
And a lot of American families and do that while we try to reduce spending and be responsible.
Fellow Ohio and speaker John Boehner.
Said that he could not foresee sending back what the senate is expected to pass with the Senate's expected passes as you -- Six weeks of spending at current levels but without the obamacare language.
The speaker is strongly indicated that over the weekend.
The house plans to.
Have a counter counteroffer.
That would come back with some changes in some offers were pretty much that it.
I'm though congressman yeah that's that's my understanding is we are gonna offer counter offer.
We are -- certainly running out of time we will be here on Saturday tomorrow and on Sunday and then Monday is.
The last day to get something done so.
Unfortunately in Washington everything goes down to the wire but I do expect.
I still -- hopeful we can get.
Something agreed to by Sunday or Monday.
I'm not sure it'll happen today or tomorrow but I think Sunday and Monday you'll be very busy active.
Days where there's a lot of discussions going on.
And will try to do I get something done.
Are you one who would want senate Republicans to filibuster your bill to keep it alive or should they go ahead do you feel that they should be going ahead of the vote sequence and even though that likely means senate Democrats making those changes.
Well you know I think we need move forward with something and figure out what the right expectations are.
You know as you know we've got two bites of the apple here we've got -- continuing resolution -- deals with only the discretionary spending which is only about a trillion dollars.
And then we've got the debt ceiling which I think.
He's a little more leverage and it you were talking about a debt ceiling increase they could be as long as a year -- a little more so I think there's a little more leverage to do something there.
And make major change.
Now one thing congressman that's been disguised as a possible solution or interim solution here.
Would be for you guys to come up with a very short term.
And not it as -- six weeks was it short term and out but an even shorter term resolution.
That would come out and basically get you up to -- -- -- -- point to try to increase the leverage that Republicans who have.
To gain -- something from the president.
On the health law perhaps a delay perhaps something like that are you hearing any rumblings there will.
That's certainly one of the options I think we're starting to hear more about whether that's the direction we go.
I actually believe the debt ceiling.
Is the place where we have a little more leverage we don't want to overplayed the leverage that we have but I think there's more leverage.
On the debt ceiling then there is in the continue -- resolution.
But -- certainly been a lot of talk recently because the deadlines are so close together of the intertwining them whether that's the ultimate solution.
That we send back to the senate I can't say yet.
But I'm not you know that president.
Senior advisor Dan Pfeiffer said yesterday that your desire the desire you and your colleagues.
Two negotiate around the debt ceiling.
Made you like suicide bombers and arsonists.
What's your response.
Well -- off the president has said from beginning he doesn't wanna negotiate.
On any this stuff and you know what constitutionally.
The president doesn't have to negotiate the house and the senate have to come together on something.
And the president has two choices.
He can sign what we send him or he can veto it.
And then the president will take ownership for shutting down the government if he chooses to veto something that we send and so it would be great if we had a president.
There would actually get in the fray and try to actually work together and and build solutions for our people in our country.
But if this president doesn't wanna do that he has two choices he can sign what we sending more can you tell.
-- -- is really -- I like to go what's your favorite thing about George Washington.
Yeah a lot I love George Washington had a book about civility -- given the problems in Washington today that's my favorite thing about George Washington.
Timely timely congressman we thank you for making time for us have a great day thank you so much.
-- -- Betty and I shouldn't be surprised that you big inning I -- to know you by -- it well enough by now he says to Carl Cameron Washington didn't Wear powdered -- he did -- error.
Posted back then there was no such thing as showers every day that's true you didn't want to be walking around wet in the cold.
And also if your hair was funky.
You could cover it with some white powder.
And it also acted as if everybody had gray -- nobody had gray hair so big Vinny score one for you.
KK 969 George Washington is my favorite he had so many great ideas about what he wanted this country to -- So sad what's happening to it now.
-- no tax Washington was a genius too -- the current administration can't learn from history.
I will submit it -- -- you more about this later Internet.
That a Providence very infrequently provides -- -- -- for the moment.
And -- of that magnitude they have come along from time to time these colossus is the striding history.
And it's important that we do things like have this library to remember them because they do come along so seldom.
Worth talking about also worth talking about what Democrats have to say about that we'll do that when we come back to stick around.
And we're here this is the same.
At Mount Vernon.
Eddie George Washington presidential library.
Where they're getting -- have a little bit of music from Vince Gill who people like again if you like George Washington and America you should probably -- -- -- good for you.
And this is power by -- Internet welcome back to Mount Vernon now let's will talk more about that in a minute but about this.
What about the politics.
Next year in the mid term elections about all this shutdown obamacare business.
Somebody who will have something to say about that is -- for now.
-- store now is a Democrat he is former top talker for the I rumble through the good people and Doug you're gonna correctly on it from a distance is it SDK.
Nick about her -- at about her.
-- -- here's a video card and I you've got -- the last time I know.
I know but like I get in unless I don't think energy I have been -- -- -- stands out there Mount -- I I have the hay fever it's it's a rambling my -- -- all right so here's a question.
Everybody says the other side is gonna lose next year as a result of what's going on now.
Republicans say Democrats could lose next year as a consequence of backing the president's health law.
Democrats say Republicans are gonna lose because there are being brings men and game.
John McCain said -- birds.
Is it possible that both are right.
Well I think it's possible that both ZA slippage in there in their approval numbers and I think we're already seeing that.
The president is doing significantly better than the Republicans are but you're already seeing a little bit dip in the president's approval numbers look we've seen in the past that these sort of showdowns.
Don't you know it's kind of a pox on both houses you know I'm.
And I think that overall though you know the president is -- on the ballot next year house Republicans are so far so it's Mitch McConnell.
And -- -- couple house Republicans are running and very important senate races so I think ultimately the person that the party that's going to be hurt.
Most politically will be Republicans but -- You know Democrats should not think that there won't be some sort of collateral damage here.
When it comes to -- making it the most -- it is you said the president's not on the ballot but Republicans will be trying to -- Democrats.
In red states or moderate -- swing districts.
To the president.
Who will Democrats be trying to tie Republicans to.
-- effort hasn't worked so far Boehner is not sort of a household name.
And doesn't arouse much you think we'll be hearing about Ted Cruz style Republicans next year from Democrats.
-- it's going to be an individual I think it's gonna be -- -- overall dysfunction in Washington bad.
Democrats are gonna make Republicans specifically in the house alone.
And I don't think that's a -- that's going to be -- really hard argument because most of the American people believe that.
I think as far as the -- Republican attacks on Democrats I mean look we've had to explain -- and and deal with Obama care for for three years now and in 2012.
It obamacare was was basically on the ballot in the president won a fairly convincing victory.
And we were able to protect the senate and we actually picked up -- seats in the house so I'm not entirely sure that.
Obamacare attack is going to be as potent as it may have been in 2010 I also think it's gonna start.
Paying you know start your starts you're gonna start seeing people get insurance over the next 67 months and I think that's gonna.
Large we you know dilute the -- the the argument that Republicans are gonna make about it.
-- last thing Robert Gibbs today on MSNBC a a -- a little caution.
About the hot rhetoric coming out of the administration and the president himself.
Things -- out advanced driver calling Republicans suicide bombers.
And things like that and said that the administration should be focused right now on talking about the merits of the health blog not getting drawn into this fight.
Does he have a point.
I think that that you know I think the president did talk about the merits of the health care law yesterday he went through.
A lot of the new benefits that individuals and businesses businesses will see a number of the very good things have already happened.
Unfortunately I think the sound -- and what the media picked up -- his very you know strong.
And I think accurate attack on Republicans but I do think that -- in order to avoid -- You know those soundbites I think -- White House would probably be better served focusing almost entirely on.
The -- benefits of the bill but they need to draw a contrast with what's going on with.
The dysfunction in the house and and I think that it's wise to do that I think maybe they can look at how they you don't -- happy you know to be the amount of you know.
The voltage there but.
Overall I think that you know the president did a good job and -- and yesterday explaining the health care bill explaining the benefits.
And they really need to focus in on those over the next two or three months as we begin implementation of of the Affordable Care Act.
Doug -- now you have our great thanks for U -- rocker you know.
Mount Vernon down here we thank you for making time for us have a great -- enjoy the -- library opening.
We well you know we will because -- All right Internet.
And I'm a little misty down here because -- they just did America and that one always gets me but anyway.
I -- to tell you this about George Washington the most important thing that George Washington ever did and I tell you this from my heart my heart of hearts was to leave.
To leave to voluntarily relinquish -- history holds very few instances where people are offered access to -- salute our.
And have turned it down Washington refused to be king first and later voluntarily gave up the presidency after two terms elected to by acclamation.
That's almost never happens maybe Mustafa Kemal.
Had a Turkey in Turkey but very few times in history of people voluntarily yielded power.
They called -- Cincinnati as for the name of the Roman general.
Who took control.
And then gave control back to the people gave control back to the senate.
Whatever George Washington did and he is a great model in many ways but he was a politician who went home.
It came back here to Mount Vernon and that is the greatest -- it is for that that we -- the greatest debt to our first and past president of all -- hole.
That's power play for this week it was fun who knows where will be next week I have no -- I have no idea but we will keep finding a way to bring you televised excellent hopefully from cool places I hope you have a good weekend and now.
As we like to do every day wherever we are.
From our French -- You've got 61%.
Of Americans behind you -- the debt -- where they want the president.
-- engage in negotiations.
Which would end up with giving some -- spending restraint.
to the GOP.
Or do you have the CR the continuing resolution.
Where Americans are -- don't want opposed so why would you.
Why would you staked everything.
On something where Americans are hugely against -- Rather than get something easy on the CR and do the hard stuff the spending cuts the pipeline.
Stripping you know would delaying obamacare a year.
On the debt ceiling where America is behind you.
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