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-- -- -- Florida Florida where they always seem to like to fight about everything there is a fight going on right now.
About the -- 131.
Year old seal eight contains.
Among its symbols a cross a hot and then.
And cut narrow.
I've -- Merrill -- -- of president of the flagler county chapter of Americans united said this.
This is an intrusion of religion into the world all of government and the world of government.
And the -- -- religion should be separate as called for in the First Amendment of the United States constitution the First Amendment that we always.
Go back to on -- these issues on which always -- these kind of debates I'm joined now by Kristina Arriaga executive director.
Of the Becket fund for religious liberty and also joining us from a DC -- -- out executive director of the American.
Humanist association let me stop when you -- we never fired 31 years -- -- the ball that a lot of people make a lot of difference in anybody's lives why.
Why would there be a problem -- it now.
-- I think that just because folks haven't spoken up about it doesn't mean it didn't bother them.
And I think the it's -- that there's been so much about how long it's been there.
Just because something's been there and discrimination has occurred for a long time doesn't.
Make it okay.
And Christina that would seem to be at that point just because something's -- -- -- long time it doesn't make it okay what say you to that argument.
The American humanist.
It's absurd that they would simply erase any kind of simple simply because it may have religious me.
In essence the cross and the faith and hope and charity are all universal concept to mean the city of San Francisco is not in violation of the establishment clause just because is named after saints and the Roman Catholic Church.
And then of citizens of California are not -- to join a Catholic Church or join.
The Franciscan order simply because of the status of Francisco religion is part of culture the same way that music is this is just a reflection of who we are and where we come from and that's -- Rory you suggesting.
That -- is the American humanist association.
Any symbol all of -- any religion should never be displayed publicly anyway.
Oh definitely not.
What we're suggesting is that government shouldn't be in the business of picking one religious symbol over others and this particular -- Simple as that of across universally considered the Christian symbol.
And that it excludes those in the town who are Christian which there is a growing number -- so.
But what -- it's -- sit across is a symbol.
To a lot of people of much more than just religion it's a symbol of help a symbol of eight.
You know that the Red Cross wind we don't say will change your name because you're gonna offend other people and Roy I -- it just seems like.
Where -- Going a little fall sometimes would this.
-- that that's how you feel however the Red Cross is shaped in a different way it's.
Let the symbol content that's being used here is the Christian cross you could tell by the proportions and someone who's a citizen we'll see this on.
Public buildings -- on police cars and all sorts of things and they're gonna.
See that the government prefers.
Christians over them and that's not that's not fair it's not equal protection.
Under the law -- -- got -- what that argument that this is this just say it doesn't make certain people uncomfortable and it doesn't matter if it's.
If it's ten people 101000 people.
At people out wandering around the city -- -- to there are dead Muslim perhaps that Jewish step Buddhist wanna have.
And they are they just are made to feel.
By the presence of the cross in a government setting as as Roy says is that is that not a fair argument.
No not at all diversity is part of who we are as Americans.
And recognizing that diversity in a symbol of this city is simply a recognition is not meant to exclude anyone.
The people that want to exclude -- one -- every one of our activists atheists they want every single distinctive feature.
Anyone to be excluded.
To include only.
But people that they approved -- up.
This is simply a reflection of the same way that you have African American month for the same way that if -- have a jazz country and a public park.
You don't say it's excluding people that like rock -- like classical music this is simply an articulation.
That initial founders of the city.
Who wearing aspired to have -- portrayed in the CEO.
Many seals in the United States have religious symbols and -- simply an acknowledgment many great purpose buildings many life -- -- -- symbols.
-- the American humanist society would have its way and Americans United for Separation of Church and State would have it their way they would eliminate.
All religious symbols from old buildings at all times from libraries from city halls from.
It just assess just justice buildings -- -- the fact.
The fact that France -- a court hearing starts mentioning got it doesn't mean that is a prayer service this means is simply an acknowledgment.
All right okay I'll give you the last what -- -- as I gave Roy the first book I Kristina Arriaga executive director of the Becket fund for religious liberty.
And -- back out executive director of the American humanist association good to see you both --
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