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The Vatican announces they official date of -- ceremony that will elevate the blessed Pope John Paul the second to a saint in the Catholic Church.
John Paul was one of the most beloved -- of all time and he was also the second longest serving.
He will be canonized at the same time as Pope John the 23 also known as the good -- Joining me now with that this what what this all means for the Catholic Church is John -- executive vice president and executive editor of Fox News Channel.
And also the author of the biography -- Pope John Paul the second program -- -- -- -- that's -- you're you're an expert on this.
You know this is not really great supplies because -- upon his dying there was a song to -- calling -- of sainthood now.
So he basically was -- -- -- the fast track present and right.
Absolutely and that that was only accelerated by Pope Benedict -- I think.
Felt that he owed it to -- Two.
Propel him into the ranks of the things I -- the fact that there that -- Francis has decided also to include Joseph on the 23.
Is a mark of respect to the more liberal wing of the Catholic Church come to -- -- -- -- -- course being best remembered for calling the second Vatican council which.
Many would say -- and -- all of the church's traditions.
-- very interesting idea because one of the reasons why.
Yours as you're saying basically what somebody else that was that.
Your placating to ideas of the Catholic churches are leveling and a conservative wing of hope France's where does he sit in and that spectrum.
He's he's so far been very adroit at not giving away his own feelings about.
The touchy issues that affect the church he's playing between the forty yard lines if you will.
So he's he's he's paying very just tribute to two of his predecessors each of whom had.
Really a wonderful following and and really affected the church and in great -- -- there have been many saints the -- any.
People with temperatures -- over the last time in the last hundred years and Pope John Paul the second did many of them hundreds.
But there has not been a Pope canonized since what 19604050.
-- 1959 or ten.
And this is quite unusual and the first out of while the Pope Francis does is to -- two -- Actually he's he's making a statement there's no doubt about it of course after Pope Pius the tenth the next two high doses might not have.
Exactly qualified -- you -- pretty controversial fellows.
And -- think Pope Paul the sixth was.
In many ways a tragic figure.
Perhaps -- -- -- but a tragic figure in the history of the church that he knew he was not going to.
To make the cut -- -- -- didn't it.
History of the church though is that in the first post brawl canonized and they were All Saints have -- certain point right -- -- doing a requirement was just like you know -- good guy he's a -- the the first vote -- or markers in their -- everything happen automatically qualified but hasn't.
Yet now it's become more difficult.
Now that it too.
-- miracles are required for sainthood the first miracle makes -- -- the -- which is John Paul the second and on the 23.
And the second miracle we've got with John Paul the second which is a woman Costa Rican woman view of -- cured of an aneurysm that's certainly got.
But there's no second -- for John the 23 at the offense is waived this and this is it's it seems unprecedented -- -- -- the -- -- -- president.
It is and president and -- Francis was simply saying get used to unprecedented unprecedented is going to be the new normal.
And then he was making his mark and making a statement and saying look I don't want to wait on the Pope.
Who's going to be -- me on this and it was a short Japan's going up.
Mean that -- 23.
Not many of us in this age -- know who he wants this is the Pope from 19581963.
Was supposed to be the caretaker Pope.
-- look what he did I guess he started Vatican council this -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Popes have an amazing ability to surprise us we we -- think of them as jolly little -- in robes they are almost always wonderful -- collects and and great thinkers and -- Cali uses his family name.
Was no different he.
Did a lot of great work as a young priest he was the people convoy to Turkey to Greece.
To Bulgaria and during World War II he is credited with getting hundreds of Jews out of the way of the oncoming Nazi.
Onslaught so he had a track record even before he was -- and -- he became poke you right and he was 77 years old I think when he when he was crowned Pope.
People thought we know he'll sit in the throne for a couple of years -- we'll get a young guy.
He said not so fast guys we're gonna called Vatican council and turn everything around I wanna look at -- church does business.
And whether we're actually engaged in the modern world the way we -- This sounds a little Michael Francis.
Is is it kind of there are similarities I think I I think that in -- Francis -- case his his jesuit background.
Is going to raise a lot of questions about whether he's willing to just throw tradition to the wind that's what judge what's like to do.
Handed out there and at the same time is time as artificial way to salaries showed him to be.
Relatively traditional at least in those areas of church teaching them regarding.
Sexual mores and things like that so I think he's gonna play both sides against each other and steer a middle course and who knows that may be -- to church needs.
His big interview last week with the journalists talking about that starts focuses too much on gay marriage and contraception and abortion.
The reaction coming out of animals -- a left wing but the mainstream media was -- good of the church is changing the church is doing all of these things finally have come into the 21 century.
He really didn't pay it and I think I believe it's a great misreading of what -- Francis actually said.
I think what he was saying was we are obsessing on some topics and they tend to have to do with sex at least in the United States.
Course that's not just Catholics but -- -- but and what he was saying was there are many more important things to worry about the poor.
The separation of nations.
That the lack of faith the lack of spiritualism mineralized these are more important than whether priests can get married or.
Women can become priests.
And I think that it was misinterpreted simply because he he did talk about obsession he use the word yes and the left as you would put it.
Rejoicing suddenly thinking you know hey everything's gonna change tomorrow we can start having women priests by notes to Sunday's massacre that's -- what -- meant.
And it wasn't apologizing for the purchase absolutely athlete -- he was he was what he was doing was criticizing those who.
Cannot get past these few issues and who think that the Catholic Church has to be defined by these issues and he was saying not during my pay to see guys we're gonna do other things.
This this elevation of John Paul the second to -- -- -- to saint.
I don't even asked the question is -- deserved that and it really is it's it's the it.
John Paul the second is so massive in terms of what he had done what he has done what it.
The Catholic Church for many people who grew up under his -- the -- he was the only hope that knew he was.
And now his sainthood.
What is it going to come to a new generation it it secures his place in the ultimate hierarchy of the church.
But I would make the case and it said it before in speeches and articles.
I believe John Paul the second was a living -- the way he lived his life the way he affected other people the impact that he had on history.
You don't have to wait to be -- to be realized that you have done something will be on most humans capacity.
And so I think that this is merely recognition of the like that he lived and the legacy that he left.
I have a friend who is it was a very devout Opus Dei member and -- of her grand.
Some of them are named John Paul and -- unabashedly -- we're gonna named John Paul.
And we don't care and -- -- what goes along in my town hall again and -- we kind of like instantly she didn't name and -- he would you know which was damned if the.
So there's a break.
We wouldn't be looking for in terms of the next few months as we get closer to this canonization of what what kind of things that are going to be seeing article Francis and also this.
Understanding of Pope John Paul the second as well as 220 there.
I think -- Francis has a lot ahead of him he's he's had his honeymoon.
And now it's back to work.
He is going to face -- criticism from the traditional right.
Of the Catholic Church has already been a couple articles that suggested respectfully we ought to stand up to this guy before he gets to -- -- The notion that.
When we shouldn't think about money.
The notion that money is even a bad thing.
And then he -- society these things are gonna come back because I noticed that at Sunday mass they still -- the -- around.
And they don't want baskets coming back empty so he might have to rethink some of the things he said -- not take them back but just rephrase.
I think he started off.
Perfectly his his coronation his his selection as Pope was perfect he didn't make -- single mistake.
But he's human he's he's not saying yet and -- -- and he's a great theologian I think Tim and I haven't really isn't perhaps because of his demeanor and his sort of humbler.
Presentation made -- think what what was willing to listen to his ideology and I think they have so far there is it.
As you know a misconception that the Catholic Church is the Pope.
The Catholic Church is a bureaucracy just like any other bureaucracy it had a lot of powerful people with powerful interest behind it and that interest -- bureaucracy is slowly.
Awakening and realizing.
-- this -- saying things that are not in our best interest we that are fighting even score it before it's too late.
While while I wanna thank you so much and we're waiting out more about this at the Vatican could make some announcements so.
Thank you very much John -- -- executive vice president executive editor for Fox News Channel thank you very much thanks -- him.
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