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Morning -- Doug -- I'm here with.
-- the bully -- my friend and colleague John.
Political insiders and fortunately the third member of our -- Brett mister Patrick bell is on home leave he has been traveling the world to the country.
Selling at his own version of -- hospital but I'm he will be back he assures us next Monday and he sends his sincere.
Apologies from Charleston, South Carolina John.
Bring us up to date you've been in the house you've been in a caucus you saw what happened yesterday where do we stand with the government shutdown.
Bucks an hour and a half till noon and then twelve hours till midnight so -- thirteen and a half hours to from I would say that almost guaranteed shut down tonight which isn't gonna distress anybody too much right away but at -- what distresses me because the stock markets.
That about a 120 points -- -- and that's a precursor of what's coming I don't know we we have this problem.
We're gonna go over today.
And two weeks from Thursday is the debt ceiling deadline October 17 and how they're going to.
And settle this shut down the Obama care thing.
Is going to bleed in -- what are they going to do and how they gonna do it and the bad feelings and bad metrics from the first.
Have to be impacting the second and its stock markets down a hundred.
First day of this thing as we approach the debt ceiling if there's no coming together on us.
Which I don't think there's going to be who I agree with you there is going to be unbelievable.
What's going on as we've -- on our show Sundays and -- the Republican.
Conference in the house is being driven by a strong Tea Party faction.
The vocal face of it is now ten crews in the senate there isn't one guy in the house.
But they are following it Ted Cruz principle which is the hell whether it will take the thing over the -- to stop obamacare.
Why will be renominated.
By vote for -- us I don't have to worry about being reelected I have it's safe seat.
I'm not politically sensitive.
To what the moderate Republicans.
In other districts are and Boehner is sitting here presiding over this divided conference.
And he has decided this time to go with the Tea Party people he if he crosses them on this one able photo -- -- speaker.
That's -- so you.
Seen -- shut down as inevitable -- question I would ask.
Is OK we've shut down how does this.
In the short term will they do what's called a clean CR now and -- couldn't -- that as you said yesterday on Fox News Channel if they just did that.
And for a week after the shutdown will they will they capitulate at all while all after the show yes I'm -- it was not clear.
When they blame that will be the blink and you think they will look I think they have the ones you see I think John my own take is you get the -- -- clearly wanted to do a deal before.
Couldn't get it done is -- -- one and so is it okay caucus I'd go with you don't -- -- no way that's fine.
But we're gonna get a shut down market to go down everybody's gonna talk about how chaotic the world convey and I think it will -- And then I think -- puts emotion on the floor.
Gets all the Democrats.
Plus sixty -- -- members of his caucus sends it to the senate goes -- and we go.
Another short term shut down for another two windows shut down NC RR zero I apologize yes yes.
The but is what you said I think the Republicans.
Again playing Harry Carrey are prepared over the debt ceiling.
Which after all involves money that's been appropriated and spent.
To go through the same thing two weeks from now.
Which could be calamitous I do not understand.
The logic of it though it does play to their base I get that.
And my question is are you.
Suggesting John you think they're willing to bring the country to the -- -- bring.
Because of there ideological.
Fervor I have no doubt they will take it to the right.
He's is that no negotiation about to leave the Republican Party -- you feel they've left the republic -- I think that they have.
From the moment because that you got to look.
I don't like Obama care you don't like rebels make remembering talked if you like are you not -- I don't like it.
It passed the house and senate it was upheld by the Supreme Court and the president after that was reelected and picked up some seats in the house and senate.
I hate the Krauthammer.
Political approach on Obama here probably right let it go into effect starting tomorrow.
Let it be unpopular.
Wait till the next national election and let the thing work for our side against -- I agree with that but you know let these Republicans -- -- -- -- -- put up a couple of polls which will give our viewers.
A context I think that the first -- I should put up his number one and NBC poll I -- funding Obama care for it means a government shutdown.
Nineteen favor that 59 oppose that John would you offer a couple of comments for our viewers about what this means well.
It means that what we set a week ago we had a different -- -- -- -- Rasmussen poll was almost reversed or 51%.
Said yes it's worth shutting down the government to kill obamacare.
And you and pat has accomplished pollsters.
Said that was bad poll the poll was just.
As some polls all or didn't.
Reflect reality the -- the questions were -- and all that.
This poll that you just put up the NBC poll tells us that it's a -- a warning of what's gonna happen.
And the Republicans because of this I think they will be seen that's the one shutting down the government's not logical.
To say that Obama is shutting down the government.
Over Obama care authority passed what is he doing he's just sitting there playing golf and.
That's -- -- yes it let me put another poll up put up poll number two.
About who will get more blamed for a shut down the Democrats Republicans.
And you see here that it's the Republicans 44 more blame Democrats 38.
What what's your take on this for a -- while the 38.
Who say it's the president intends -- the hardcore Republican base runners say it's the Republicans.
That the wants to say it's the Republicans are the democratic base and some independents I think -- veteran there.
I what I think is these numbers may change day by day as this thing gets going based on the TV coverage of it.
And what language is used by do you have any doubt the Democrats will benefit from -- no not they will definitely that's what I think as well.
And that's what we've been saying here -- were.
Here to talk politics not policy we don't get into.
That's the lighter on your insurance premium and whether that's good or bad we're here to talk about the politics.
And the politics are.
The media hates the Republicans and loves Obama.
Why with Republicans give Obama.
Another college old -- -- the Republican's wet and the media and he -- -- Rush Limbaugh Sean Hannity Fox News Drudge.
Are telling our Republican side of things but that set the rest of the media will go the -- let me.
Put up a third pole.
Get your reaction to that John and then talk a little bit more generally about polls.
-- three with the Obama approval.
John the president's close to a record low in the CBS New York Times poll 43 approve 49 disapprove what do you make of these he.
It's been deteriorating for months has nothing to talk about that good.
The Syrian thing with gluten was an utter fiasco the -- thing the IRS thing the economy is not improvement.
Right I mean they're no nothing good for this -- to go out what is he loved to do love to go out and mocked the Republican.
They've given him a new thing to mock.
And he'll be out there and he'll hang in the shame of it is if the Republicans were Smart.
They could use his weakness for their benefit and they haven't up.
Let me let me.
Raise a question that some of our viewers have asked about.
Which is the reliability of these so called polls and if I can try to address my own question there prospective.
And and certainly John please offer or whatever.
The question is are are the polls -- it and I think you would agree with me.
The answers probably not that most people who do polls pride and do do them to the best of their ability I think -- -- that we have a then the question comes up is okay isn't necessarily.
The case that the polls are all accurate well accurate -- tough -- to -- Because of US to question one way as we saw what -- Rasmussen poll on shutting down the government.
You get a different answer than if -- -- A different way.
So it's how yes questions but it's also -- -- It's how you structure of the questionnaire how you -- the data that are set of assumptions you can make that are liberal or conservative -- best.
Example was in the Romney.
A bomb election conservatives assumed.
That minorities wouldn't turn out as they did four years before.
They didn't have a lot of data to base that on their data was frankly based on some assumptions.
That were -- -- but you can make liberal or conservative assumptions and I think it's probably true.
Liberal pollsters probably look.
For liberal assertions are liberal.
Bios and assumptions -- and are willing to.
Look for questions that are word of the way they would like policy -- So it's a challenge but I don't think there's rigging at the same time.
It would be a mistake to believe that everything you see in the media is necessarily.
Actually -- -- Only give you as a non hole please I wanted to get that I think that for you watching and reading and and care about politics.
I would never trust any one poll I look at lots of -- like -- -- lots of articles about any stories and -- all of that you all trends and directions did you just say a little bit more about.
When a -- -- direction is what are we -- we just put up number three we could put that back up.
CBS poll Obama's approval and disapproval at 43 approve 49 -- Yesterday off the year you and pat and I were talking there was a couple other polls we didn't use this week.
That also have the president's approval rating of -- 403941.
If you read that you see three different polls.
All having him down in the low forty's as opposed to fifty or 48.
You start to see that there is a trend going on and I'm not trusting anyone poll looks like a second opinion you get from a different doctor -- the same time.
With that we will take a brief break John and I'll be back.
In about thirty seconds to a minute with political insiders thank you for joining us.
Doug -- -- back with my friend and colleague.
John lovely -- I want it to go through a chat.
He's -- but -- -- -- and tyra -- -- it is it's pretty combat complicated I encourage the opposition of any continuing resolution.
That that does not do one of the following so.
The writer wants to defund obamacare.
To -- the individual mandate require all federal employees like congressman to participate.
-- -- -- -- -- If if it's necessary government shutdown should be allowed to happening.
It seems that 800000 nonessential.
Government workers says it all -- are not essential.
As for the services they provided this means your congressional staffers.
Will be furloughed so be it.
Allowing the shutdown will eliminate the need to raise the equipment.
And we'll cut government spending I think that gives you an idea of the right wing view I think unfortunately it is an -- -- That does not necessarily.
Speak to the real challenges.
We're facing but John I'm curious how you react.
It I would -- -- this.
Writer -- -- -- have.
-- I share his passion.
On all of -- Obama -- an abomination.
The fact that congress is rigged up a little deal what they get subsidies that we don't get I.
All that is awful -- But the energy and the anger need to be channeled into something that can happen.
No it is not going to be -- Obama is the president.
Like it or not and the Democrats have the senate like that are not and they're not.
You and if we were smarter.
Influence them to.
But simulators -- maybe with the debt ceiling.
Is that they're strategy maybe another have a strategy candidate Doug I don't think that John Boehner today could tell you.
What he's going to do on the sixteenth of October I don't think he knows.
I would say based on what I've seen -- observe the answer is no I don't know.
What John Boehner is.
Let me ask you -- -- -- yes.
Where does this go take -- I think it's very simple to Iowa New Hampshire and South Carolina.
Anyone running for president yes right I think this is play but this this.
-- for this email that we got is illustrative of the right wing Republican position.
It's articulate thoughtful.
Passionate passionate -- coherent and I think wrong now that's my opinion -- -- feel pretty strongly about that but there are very large numbers of people on the right who agree with that news.
Ted Cruz like him or not and I'm not a big fan.
Was clearly passionate and committed -- from Rand Paul's example -- you can captivated nation I think he has done that and I think.
Each one of them out does the previous one Russia had rubio who -- the hot ticket price banner republic -- advocating and the state.
-- Rand Paul comes and he out -- -- with a filibuster about the drone strikes you know.
He he's like disappeared over this thing he says don't defund don't shut the government down.
Now cruises comment and taken over the far right and if you look at the -- in votes to invoke cloture last week.
In the senate.
Republican caucus to.
Not in invoke.
Two -- to invoke cloture yes.
And then as they vote against Ted -- right -- that is correct it's a vote against that cruise so Ted Cruz represents best case -- not even half the Republicans about it.
And when they had a general procedural vote.
Do we go forward or not it was a hundred did not including tag crew as they had filibustered against the -- which no one can understand other -- -- -- I don't even understand that.
But you know it's like I voted for it before I voted against it by John Kerry.
You know one of the things that we've talked about a bit but I think it bears a little repeating that -- -- to put two -- up talked a bit myself and then get your reaction.
Is it's not like President Obama is all that popular.
His hand is a weak one he is playing an anti Republican hand because of Republicans are so weak but if we put -- for.
Four up and day -- -- -- four up and we'll talk about that.
If you look at the president's approval on the economy Syria.
And Iran he's drawing negative ratings -- on each one.
Approve disapprove of the economy 4154.
-- -- 3752.
In Iran 3944.
And then if we can go to number five.
Right direction for the country wrong -- 2568.
This is that profoundly -- disquiet -- dispirited electorate.
Of one Obama has concluded in my opinion John is that by a taking the position.
That he has which is blamed the Republicans for everything don't back down.
He can push off his own lack of popularity and so you don't like me you'll like them less and to really make them the villain that music.
You -- that I -- I also think.
We have to look at a bigger picture which is he's been reelected.
Does he really lose sleep over all the stuff does he really care when you've had a couple encounters with them down.
And that guy is so into himself I really wonder if if -- just shuffles over this thing does he really is he going to be hurt if the government shut down for a week -- -- -- Barack Obama.
Right Barack Obama is sort of done don't -- but if he's hungry for things to do.
Unfortunately I think they're coming out in the foreign policy -- more than they are in this like -- You read a few more tweets we've got -- -- we have heard from we should welcome him if by midnight kind risk.
Cannot reach an agreement on the CR -- not be the end of the world as we know it.
In fact the only thing you will proves just how many nonessential.
Personnel worked for the government.
And you thought I was going to say -- unless congress is too late we already knew that is is -- anyone listening.
They found 300 million dollars for Detroit but can't find anything for our kids to visit the Obama house -- in the White House amazing.
Next thing this administration will do it exempt itself.
From Obama care I was not they've done that.
And then -- Night.
Hawk K okay.
-- segment and I don't -- personally I feel obamacare is an act of terror upon the constitution itself.
Setting a precedent.
How can we possibly let something occur that allows -- government to tell me what the purchase.
Be -- insurance.
Or big Macs -- owner revolution radio.
Well I mean look we we don't like it I agree with you but -- big Maxtor obamacare.
-- big Macs is right about his thing but it is nothing you can do about it I mean.
Don't we decide our elections our policy at the ballot yeah and we elected Obama.
Now we we we mentioned this yesterday.
The Republican Party nominated Mitt Romney last year.
And Mitt Romney was the original inspiration for obamacare put in Romney care in Massachusetts was proud of it started the 208 campaign for president.
Ranking about my health care plan in Massachusetts and then.
He cut out to Iowa and elsewhere well found out mandates are bad we don't like him he started running away from -- Obama came -- on and said we pattern Obama care on Romney care.
And we end up having the Republican Party nominate Mitt Romney how could he lead the charge last year against Obama -- And he did didn't and it wasn't an issue and -- -- when it should have been the Israel.
So I'm sorry the Republican Party has repeatedly blown.
Well let me ask you this do you think that there is a chance.
That all of this will be resolved.
Without chaos or do you think we will get chaos here.
If chaos is rioting in the streets we're not getting now -- we're gonna have political chaos in the -- like we didn't when he allowed.
A couple you peso aria that was chaos August on eleven run it I think this'll be worse than that.
Asked to that.
It was Obama's not running for reelection so he's going to be more obstinate I heard today on.
MSNBC the attitude of Obama and the Democrats as this time they're gonna punch the bully in the nose right you heard that.
I I did you can -- -- their body language you -- in the way they operate.
You can see it -- -- of -- make judgments and I think the Republicans are saying the same thing that the Republicans are saying is that we're not -- to flinch I think that's gonna lead to.
Political political cast but I agree with you John I think at the end of the day I think the Republicans will -- I think.
Now they may -- -- short term they may say well we're caving on the continuing resolution but we're not caving on the debt ceiling but I think they're gonna -- And they didn't -- and 111 -- -- yesterday at that press conference that we covered on fox.
They cave they try to say now sequestration was Obama this is not true they both agreed to sequestration as the way to extend the debt limit.
And put in tough spending cuts.
They gonna do the same thing again would be some deal that no one will really like but that's what's gonna have to happen.
It's it's pretty sad isn't it.
Yeah and what I'm worried about is that Obama is going to be diminished by the -- and I'm glad he's going to be diminished but in order to prevent the diminishment.
We haven't gotten to it yet but he is desperate for something to brag about in his second term he has not -- is nothing.
And so what is he -- he's caving in on Syria for sure he -- deals he wants deals and will he cave and will he be allowed to -- on the Iranian nuclear charms.
He like he wants to -- I mean I don't have a clear sense as to what the terms of the deal will be.
But given the eagerness for a handshake the phone call me if if -- -- said to you we've -- two weeks ago.
The Iranian President would snub Obama three times three times and -- say listen I'm heading to the airport to get Obama on the -- what airport was headed to.
New York international airport was the way it was report and new York International a -- I mean so.
Even you know again it's not we're spending too much time but even the the dust up over whether he spoke of the Holocaust.
Or a group of Jews I mean it just the whole thing leaves you feeling pretty cold and I.
It leaves me feeling hideous now hopefully the Europeans who are our partners with -- -- at this -- negotiation.
They -- let Obama and Kerry and I wouldn't trust John -- for a second -- -- so desperate for deals.
And I've dealt with him on these things he's not to be trusted.
They may want to cave.
Hopefully the five European countries and Israel won't let.
-- Israel alone Netanyahu is at the White House today as we wrap up.
I am sure he is giving a tough message to the president basically saying if you allow it we won't.
When Israel -- there were headliner feels that the -- the -- That is a subject for another show for -- the -- later the apps impacted doubtful I'm Doug -- please join us 340.
On Sunday on the Fox News Channel and we'll be back here 1030 next Monday to continue the dialogue thanks very much for joining us -- --
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