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Is the abominable snowman it's gone gate is Florida version of being put.
Let's ask watches and music given in the Pacific northwest but if we have -- and avalanches we're gonna go with -- -- -- because that's regular Americans and preferable America and America.
Apostrophe but anyway you can distract me through Washington games -- that.
Bobby is -- managing editor for the health Bob can the president make his trip at the end of this week.
I don't think he can't it would look very bad if the government is still shut down and there's a very high probability that it could mean we are both sides have dug in.
Can John Boehner keep these guys in line that's the big question.
Now the house Republicans have been moving him into -- they've been doing these new bills under suspension and other bring into the house floor.
But there's been a little cracking the Peter kings of the world.
Happy wasn't exactly thrilled when they started out not and they and they didn't want but now the heat they just need to keep those guys so that they don't break against them on like a procedural motion like out.
The vote on the rule or something like that a possible motion to recommit that's what they.
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Keeps us fit but the question is so right now what John -- is basically doing -- a reason that this building is substantially -- -- people talking to other forms of television.
-- is that.
Good speaker is -- -- these votes today and you continue to do this -- we'll look this may be close.
But let's have this -- -- and it's the veterans administration and its other things like that right senate.
House Democrats voted -- I found it surprising last night.
The house Democrats were willing to act as human shields -- the -- on this and go out cast votes against this right there were able to block it because they needed a supermajority to pass.
Today they're gonna pass this stuff on simple majorities yes.
I think -- -- pass it.
Now he saw some vulnerable -- -- nervous and they they defected but right but they didn't get enough to pass it but now -- all -- -- -- -- majority today.
So then it'll basically -- senate now and what will be John Boehner next move but wait.
I'm that we should be clear what is going to happen in the United States and he -- Harry Reid is gonna tell his members you must vote against the bill funding the veterans administration right yes absolutely.
I even if I was if I was a red state Democrat if I always -- -- I am now an -- -- -- Kay -- -- if I was Joseph Manchin from West Virginia -- -- by the way.
Highest per capita concentration of veterans in the country.
Dancing with the American ones but -- can happen but.
The it's tough vote is just a temporary but yet did terrible but -- that's right that's right down but now.
As you know it's just it's shirts and -- and maybe have a couple defense items and LTE but he plays the game plan the senate could but I but at this time.
You know it's until they get in a -- get a bipartisan deal.
We're gonna continue this I'm think I'm there's some pictures running through this -- right.
Now that I am just glad that you can't see Internet.
All right so they're gonna do this.
How long since the last is this -- we now talking about.
Well now let me in the head and -- that -- out of -- the first question -- the Republicans are trying to shift the discussion through all of this away from.
The government is partially shut down the -- question how is that sent him being administered.
Right right that's right there's a little more humans aren't -- in World War II memorial right you should and we're starting to see that's sort of the sequestration playbook.
Come back yes where the Republicans say all I see that Barack Obama.
Heat's nine year old World War II veteran right in the administration -- -- not meaning to do that.
And some Republicans are pushing on these issues right so this is at least something that is not uniformly negative for the -- it.
Now I mean.
The difference between the sequester and -- showed and is this showdown.
The cassette -- is more visual I mean you can look at -- second liberty and that kind of thing but what happened -- World War II memorial on that whole controversy.
-- that Republicans are using them and that's kind of a movement of people like wait a minute.
How is it that you have to shut down something that's in open space you know -- yet and then Democrats and well security and others say well I've never seen security guards there are so.
Then it just gets an ideological question of government and Michael.
Who's working and why -- -- -- -- You know we have this big thing of how long can lassie had to debt limit and Democrats actually have changed -- they did not want to have one being bargain at first now -- like.
I mean it's I don't know that they did I but I think they -- a -- part but I don't know that it's avoidable.
I don't these -- at this point and I I I think there's.
Economics it's up to get one Leon Washington much less two but then how does present -- -- and deal with that because he said I'm not negotiate -- on the Devlin he's.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- You you know thing you know how things are in Washington win the president and his heralding the fact that he's meeting with Lloyd Blankfein.
And Jamie Dimon and his other backers who have been -- have been annoyance is publicly for him.
Because his base never likes -- when he's never -- and now welcome the boys from Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan who helped fund my campaign they don't like that.
But he needs to highlight his alliance with these folks right now under increased pressure.
On house Republicans -- the definite.
That's right he's got to get -- him he's.
He's urged the chamber of commerce national association manufacturers.
Who -- NAM wants a clean debt I national association and bad audience but at the same time.
That doesn't mean it's been not gonna move John Boehner he's not gonna pass a clean debt hike anytime soon he needs to have spending reforms and I think that's one thing to watch this like.
Republicans in 2011 we're talking about spending as far as -- debt limit.
Now they're talking about keystone thanks I think they they might hit it and go back to OK you want the debt limit raised.
Well we need to go back to entitlement spending and that kind of thing to -- and split among Republicans what to.
House majority leader Eric Cantor whose ears are burning today.
As JPMorgan and Goldman Sachs talked the president -- you need to shut this down shot that you need to check on him.
Bob Cusack there's no telling him dad you were on -- won't find any animals.
Full of excellence we thank you for making the hike over last appreciate this is it's hard times for all of us here in the beltway area after I.
-- -- We're gonna take a quick break but when we come back important questions to be asked.
The debt ceiling fight is -- game.
Where does it go next how long does it last who is taking better political advantage.
Yes yes this kind.
Do we come back -- stick around.
This government the government of the greatest nation on earth will reopen only when the public decides that one party.
Is being uncompromising.
And that was Brad Sherman congressman Democrat from California declaring essentially thunder down.
One man enters one man -- through the vicious productive political battle over the partial government shutdown.
This is -- this is no -- down.
No this is no master blaster and this is none of this we can reason together to help you Internet make brought her better conclusions about what's going on in politics.
But if you guys want -- fight that's fine I'm won't stop you meet now.
No you already know.
How -- Ortiz he is yes former advisor to governor whose fortune -- Puerto Rico he is a Republican.
He is a founding associate member I don't know how you get promoted to -- regular.
But sounding associate member of the national conference of Hispanic legislators and -- shattered and she is the president of the aptly named Saturday group.
She is a Democrat she is from Texas am so she's a red state Democrat a blue jeans and a Democrat.
We -- -- -- in the first segment about this.
The Republicans after being on the snide.
On this issue for quite some time have found something that works so far.
Which is pleased to reopen stuff that we like and that Americans like don't leave everything close.
Don't keep the nine year -- from going to pay their respects at that were working memorial fund the veterans affairs administration.
So is this.
Bound to be short -- I think an -- answers will be but is this success bound to be short lived or could they get on the good foot here.
Well I I know you this is not the way it works from you don't get to shut down the government and then pick and choose what you want to reopen the next day.
Because -- just just -- -- yes because you took some hit in the press last night just because there was footage of ninety year old women and men not being able.
To go to local memorial does -- mean that I'm starting to look bad I want to open the memorial I think.
No problem for the one who were doing that they were pushing that -- I don't like this series simple okay.
Thirteen appropriation bills right congress has failed to house appropriations bills in the house is saying hey.
We have a process is who will establish process it worked for Democrats.
That's a hundred years ago it works for the people today here's an appropriation bill you don't want to do it here is.
A way to move forward with these very targeted specific ways of moving forward they don't want -- -- it.
That means -- not with.
To -- and -- and that it's worth pointing out here.
They win the 19951996.
Shutdown -- something that was different.
Was that appropriations bills and substantially move through congress physically the way it works is you have a budget.
And then you have appropriations bills under and within the budget to deal with this specific items -- -- So there was more funding in 95 and 96.
Because we had not been at stupid bloody knuckled -- for 33 consecutive months because of the Republicans control both the house and the senate.
Bill Clinton was a negotiator.
This time you don't have those things and Republicans are saying well let's put some -- under isn't.
That okay no not at all look.
At look at bullying and did someone get and know we did god of government that -- -- that can't open that can open I can't open.
British government yes.
Indian government gets funded by appropriation bills they're -- Thirteen to appropriation bills we always pictures of the you don't need to sit here now value government -- happens asking how.
Have you hate Democrats have picked and choose for a long time in the people eat it it's fair to say the government is the business of picking and choosing.
-- point kids.
That this is an unfair way to render this because you have this you have the rest of the shut down.
And that it shouldn't be starting from zero and adding functionality it should be doing the whole pie at one.
Absolutely I have close to a hundred friends right now who are out of work people they have more than friends to hit we'll that are currently all Erica.
Are -- DNC your bad luck on -- -- state summer Department of Education.
Kids to go back to work.
The went to working DND and not to want to work in education or makes appropriations bills who.
What no there aren't so patient and not have a appropriation -- considered a candidate that congress should I got an environment and let you.
More now now now now now now this is this is that this is the capital this is no place -- -- the the question is.
In terms of political advantage that I take your point and I take your point you both have a good point to -- I'm losing my -- -- You both have a good point to -- And there is no doubt about that.
Who's winning this phase of the political argument I'll stipulate that the Democrat that the Republicans have more -- in the fire.
On this than the Democrats do but it seems like in this chapter.
Which is how do you manage -- shut down no one likes the Republicans have found something that's okay.
-- you know.
It does seem reasonable to people who don't understand the bigger picture -- to be able to stay open -- -- open that night but the bottom line is is that really it's congress it's losing.
-- at 810%.
Approval rating across the board regardless of party anger.
But at the end of the day if you really want to look at a partisan breakdown it is the Republican House that is going to pay a larger political priced on the road for this one because all 430 -- the members of the house go up.
In about a year.
At mid term elections and to do because they don't want to shut it down they don't want to -- -- considering they're the ones she said.
-- -- or less let's be clear about where the president.
Is with congress.
In the process of shutting down the government this happens because of him.
-- -- -- -- Question about that so much so that tomorrow he's gonna have the congressional leaders at the White House because he is afraid.
He is afraid of what he has done and he knows he's got to fix not -- he's -- a look like.
Feel the steam coming out of -- his ears but it's going to have to stay there commands we thank you and this has many friends who are employed so don't be afraid to reach out to -- as many -- Six decades of.
Process all your Republican all of your friends are employed.
-- the -- okay we thank you guys for being with us how would you like to meet one of the republic those Republican members of congress US to face voters next year.
Will do that for you with me remaining from South Carolina when we come back.
Is this seen as the national park police.
Erect barricades around the World War II memorial the other today.
This is power play welcome back.
And that act.
And other things have caused controversy not about they shut down for the partial shutdown which nobody seems particularly like.
But to this question of how -- shut down as being administered.
How good of a job is the Obama administration doing an administrative shut down could it be modified.
Are hoping that that discussion will carry some sway with the electorate.
One of those Republicans who whom you have met before his commitment maybe he represents a -- state of South Carolina congressman won't.
Thank you know thank you for having us were homeless -- were over here.
In your house over here it can't happen -- everybody is today I'm not sure what this is yeah we like in the cafeterias fold -- shut down exact.
Very strange -- -- -- -- -- quote marks on shut down indicates.
Something that you and your conference are talking a lot about which has.
It's not all shut down.
And to give you just to scale of this Internet you're talking -- 825000.
Of two million or so -- government civilian employees military's excluded from all of this.
You're talking about that were that order of a partial shutdown and your point republicans' point is that's not we don't have to not fund everything.
We don't have to not fund everything just as we can't agree on everything.
Correct and that's what we're gonna try and do we tried it last night that the Democrats.
It is down -- that attempt would try to do Chris was to keep the parks open.
And also to make the veterans administration stayed -- the services many of the medical services for veterans are ongoing there hey they're deemed to be.
Essentially there's some back office processing and stopping them as part of the VA's were kind of get that funded as well -- trying to find that.
The District of Columbia which is a strange creature whereas our states and and local -- -- exactly so that they get a little bit different treatment in some states do.
But I was talking Rand Paul on the phone this morning and -- it hit the nail on the head this is not a government shutdowns -- -- would slow down.
That's shut down if you're one of -- 45 roughly percent of the people who is parliament -- -- -- The government is still functioning wasn't joking about the cafeteria was full eight hours a shortened from what the government is still.
And working and some of the essential services and that these sentences got to take place and I'm glad to know that that you know Social Security checks are going out that the military still being paid.
So it's not that we allowed the term shut down due to be used I don't know if that's really view that the best way to lose.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Now is that a common occurrence for you are you do you does he talk to you a bunch.
Or how much.
-- and I -- our -- I'll come and so we'll talk.
It's on yesterday and -- we had a conference.
-- outside with the Republican Study Committee he was there I -- -- little bits we talked about this.
We used to get together about once a week for dinner yeah -- Republicans in the house of the senate used to get together and Jim -- -- -- That we do a little bit less -- this year but no it's it's fairly.
Regular to have those -- three games.
There's been texting back and forth in the senate including senator Paul as it relates to what the house ought to be doing what -- -- ought to be doing to help the house -- into the house and back and forth and Republicans speaking to each other sometimes shouting.
Across the -- capital here.
The it was senator Paul who at first convinced any of taking the whole thing to a conference.
Take it all the conference he said let's just take this to conference.
Speaker Boehner took that ball it seemed like and ran with -- and said you know what you're right let's just take this to a conference -- reconcile this.
Are we seeing.
Some somehow the tortured in the time in this relay go from Ted Cruz from landfall at -- I don't know about that -- I just think if it means that he would John Boehner I've been critical of the past -- apparently you're on the record I mean I'm very supportive what's happening now that I think John -- sort of got that you know the attitude that -- could be good ideas from any place and that includes Rand Paul.
I was really surprised the senate didn't take that offer up that's unusual it's not unusual to not offer to go to conference but it -- -- refused an offer to go to conference.
Especially at a company follow this and -- -- 1130.
Tonight's -- -- what day it is.
Democrats over in the house were having a press conference saying let's go to conference let's go to conference two hours later.
We did that -- down in the weeds for a lot of folks are you being I guess these -- -- -- -- they didn't come here for enough so they said let's negotiate we said.
Okay we can do that.
So I think it's starting to to really and I think the public is trying to get a feel -- -- who wants to shut down.
The Democrats do.
And for one simple reason they think we're going to get blamed.
Any time units in negotiation where.
I offer you a hundred dollars and you say you give me one and I have to unite need to see give -- one and -- -- -- -- -- want.
That's not really negotiate let's television going to deal and -- That is what we head of the senate over the course of the last two weeks and.
Could be -- and here you're saying that since you guys have dropped your ass from.
Defined to delay to provisions removal and then mandate that like credit that some things that that the senate senate -- that they believe they can wait -- wrap.
And they believe Harry Reid the president believes that they can wait you out.
And that by the time they would be forced by public opinion and an outrage.
To go to the negotiating table that the Republican conference will -- already -- each other's line.
That's -- I'd like this plant will look -- where do we start this negotiation started negotiations saying look we are willing to find the all parts of the government except obamacare.
Think we'll -- we -- -- partial government shutdown that was slow down we'll do tonight is start to fund more parts of the government.
And in theory I suppose we can find the entire government on one of these one off.
Type of -- -- One step at a time and end up at the -- at the end it.
Net result of funding the entire government except obamacare so I think it really does I like the strategy I think it does send a message look we're not.
There's there's one or two was here -- -- burn the building down.
I'm not one of them that doesn't really represent the entire conference he's not saying who he's not that I know what I'm good friends with the feel like I think at -- do the point of the matter is that you know that.
The offer that we need to -- -- what we're interested in funding the entire government.
But for obamacare and the more I think we take the opportunity to offer these individual bills we did last night.
We are gonna pass these -- -- tonight under -- different type process but they will pass tonight.
And we hope the message we'll get out not only did to our base puts -- independents and Democrats we are not in position again right now we're just talking about how to.
But -- -- get rid of fixed delay whatever you want to call obamacare.
Congressman you may want to mention the Rand Paul that you all have an early primary in South Carolina you may want to ask Santa and I think grant -- account you think you've seen that I'm not sure.
Congress and -- thank you and I met.
I'll be seeing you in the audience when we when the Fox News Channel is our first debate in South Carolina and it won't be too long before we do you know it's not that far -- thanks guys appreciate it bombs the Internet out but it makes us that because we're -- Congressman thank you and you Internet.
We don't know where we're going to be tomorrow but we're going to be for you.
Wherever we are because that's how we roll.
On the hunt Jonathan Hunt is up next and now as we like to do every day.
A word from our friend Charles.
He uses the word go HTC makes it sound trivial.
I don't think -- -- we will see.
He also tried to -- it's only because -- so overwhelmingly popular that it's in trouble I'm not sure that is true -- I would just add one thing.
If it weren't trying to shut down this is all of -- country would be talking about today.
The problem is the glitches.
As sort of the the ominous implication for what's ultimately gonna happen when it.
That would be in the front pages unfortunately.