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Welcome to another edition special report online -- -- there we want to head back to the White House just had senator.
Reid and Nancy Pelosi step up and -- -- as I said fine we'll go to conflict always want to -- is -- the government.
And I went through it lifting a finger salute the happy talk about or anything else you wanted to talk we said we'll be -- -- especially spending.
We'll talk about agriculture.
We'll talk about parks we'll talk about health care we'll talk about anything that you want to talk.
Then he says yeah.
-- I wanna do is go to conference wanted to short term CR we -- good debt ceiling staring us in the -- he wants to talk about it.
Short term CR.
They were concerned about the long term fiscal.
Affairs of this country but I'm always said.
We are -- let's talk about.
My friend John Boehner and I repeat cannot take yes -- -- answer.
-- -- On March 1.
We saw many feel that they're -- had a meeting in the Oval Office with President Obama.
At that time he hit Boehner and leader McConnell.
Said that -- wanted to proceed on the budget discussion under the regular court.
A Washington turned -- -- to -- the bill in the house to pass the bill in the senate go to conference.
All of that was my first before the end of the month the house and the senate -- passed -- bill.
But that Republicans had insisted that regular -- First six months we'll have avoided going to come.
But now they've come up -- there.
It's actually two.
98 was six and I won't you won't believe what they're very.
-- -- -- Which is that they think that our members in the house do not like.
Think it's far too little and the Republican chairman of the Appropriations Committee that does not -- -- -- Government to provide for the needs of the American people.
But nonetheless having said that.
Over a hundred members of the house Democrats stood on the steps of the capitol today.
And made a solid.
We'll offer to the speaker of the house to accept his uncles which they don't like and they don't defense.
But for the purpose.
Of opening up government.
I'm going to to to the next step.
All they have to do is bring it up passage in the house that comes to the president's desk government is so.
When we go to the table as his figures suggest on the budget and some of that discussion can be helpful in terms of addressing growth.
That deficit reduction.
And how we go forward pop on lifting the debt ceiling.
So we just have to find that well we'll have to find the path that they can go down.
But if they keep moving the goal post and won't even accept it and -- that are.
As leader said if they don't take yes -- and there.
And I can only conclude that they wanted to check that you can bet they think that that.
That has a purpose for them and we know with -- it is they want to overturn the affordable care that's not going to happen.
And frank drove.
What our constitution had in line.
Says that if you don't like something -- threaten to shut down government -- -- and it's not it's not that kind of the system and in any event.
Because so much is at stake I'm hopeful that in the conversation.
We heard -- -- and that we will be able to find a place to go -- -- calculated suggest to the budget table.
Six months after it was exposed to -- -- just discuss the budget that can be helpful for the next.
Next challenge is lifting the debt ceiling.
It was a worthwhile -- I'm glad it was apparent that we'll look.
Has that shows say.
Some candid discussion -- percent of generation.
And it -- won't go into that.
Closing one and one of the things I was very.
Might -- very.
Happy I was there it's president of the United States was very very strong storms -- This never happened before they can make all the historical.
Analysis that they want to just has never happened before for any political party.
We'll be willing to take the country -- to bring this financial disaster and say we're not gonna X-Files to pay our bills.
President said he admires him for that.
And we were here we should.
-- have to do work I said happy -- -- the -- this week on the way out of this but we are where we are we're not in a place -- through playing these little game.
On at all is all focused on Obama so that's all it's about.
And as I've said before -- to be here tonight it's.
The same thing for Social Security.
Did the same thing to Medicare.
And they're trying to do the same thing obamacare.
Obama care is another social security and other Medicare program.
It's something that is signatures through this administration can't -- from -- -- Pelosi Harry we've worked hard to get it done we're happy it's done.
One thing -- Made very clear that -- we are -- yeah -- and Obama.
He has -- on the theory that he.
-- -- -- -- What is your sense how -- -- always the danger.
It completely full title is if I believe based on what we've seen the performance of green Tea Party driven.
How -- mormons have kids now.
In the house.
It looks like he's accused killer headache where they wanted to Michelle Bachmann said finally.
Finally -- where we wanted to be.
It closed down the government she's not a -- -- And let me just say that this event pardon -- -- and that is -- I think there's certain.
That we should happen on that thing we agree to this in the meetings.
But I'm just day for the good of the order candy and confidence of the American people we should take that debt ceiling.
Debate off that tape and the United States of America will always honor the full faith and credit of our country.
And no president should be held hostage.
Four that's social or other agenda.
So let's just take that off the table.
But it's really dangerous encouraging the government is that.
It's the combination of that.
And not lifting the debt ceiling is beyond cataclysm so that's.
For the but -- we have to think about whatever we're doing now what the president is that -- let's take benefited people support like -- -- but that he's not going to.
Every bill that ever passes in the congress.
Is subject to another bill passing in the congress.
To amend it.
And if they don't like certain aspects of the Affordable Care Act.
They had every opportunity in the majority especially to bring anything to the floor to make whatever changes they want.
But that should not be something.
That is the threat.
To whether government is open for the full -- and -- -- Take that lifting the debt ceiling off the table and recognize that any bill that has passed -- -- into law.
Can be changed under the regular bulletins but don't confuse the two of the disputed quietly -- it easier.
Well I -- go into.
I I don't know why they haven't accepted their phone number we stood on the steps they have a little 100 -- as I said put them with the support -- the other members of the caucus to say we're making eight.
Firm offer you this because I had done to him privately over another thing that we looked at the CAD for the 988.
You know that -- members do not like the night 88.
Clarkson had dug their heels -- that it would never support tonight eighty.
But to open government.
That opinion is a luxury we can't afford on the side of the Democrats for the Republican that we were willing to compromise looked set for a number.
They had to think.
And -- -- Obama.
This isn't going to have.
They're willing give their kids they shouldn't do little -- yeah.
Good quality expect it's not good enough.
As the questions trail off there just a wave goodbye from the senate majority leader by the way 988.
That is the number that they are going between 988 and 967.
For the continuing resolution the funding of the government the Republicans obviously -- punish a smaller number.
And Democrats wanted a higher number that's what she's talking about there whenever -- politicians starts off saying my friend.
You know that there's been a tense.
Perhaps -- we're back with the panel yeah.
And as -- -- Charles and I suspected this was all about optics this was.
Setting up a situation where.
We're really -- -- -- -- leave and come out and say how unreasonable and crazy the Republicans are.
And start laying the ground work for their argument about the debt ceiling fight which is the only one of -- actually really concerned with.
It's pretty mean it's.
Harry Reid is kinda hard to read any magazine looks like an undertaker with about a bad migraine but.
He clearly is not happy with these people on I don't think -- -- they don't any of them get along very well at this point -- -- It's interesting to see these.
It's endless news conferences.
And where this positioning and and before you talk to people outside the beltway and there just.
Livid at both sides I think you can fairly say.
That this is not getting done and you heard that senate majority leader say the president was strong strong strong.
You know like he hasn't been strong strong strong before and what does that mean if he was so strong why aren't they still in that meeting not leaving in -- -- there -- ironing and out.
There's a rising sense of disgust I think out in the country and I think both parties bear the brunt I know the polls show.
That more people blaming the Republicans -- the -- than President Obama and the Democrats but.
I think that is gonna changes this thing drags on people just feel like you know we have to live within our means why can't you people do your job when I heard.
Listening on the White House driver there -- John Boehner to Nancy Pelosi Harry Reid is the sound of politicians who are not ready to make a deal.
That they are sort of marking time here they have to show -- engage the optics are that we have to meet.
Things have not progressed the point where they have to get serious and any serious I think in part.
Democrats at some point have to offer something to the other side.
That they can claim is a victory because that's what you do -- negotiation if it's something like repealing the tax on medical devices.
Right that was my point in the in the -- on the show is that.
If you're going to work with speaker Boehner you have to give him an -- -- you have to give them a W of some kind of win.
You can complain about the Tea Party caucus all day long but vineyard just going to be.
But that's what Democrats want they didn't.
Probably in a week or so they're -- -- no wind it up because -- hit the debt ceiling and it will be did diminishing returns.
But this administration was and then down would -- -- what we saw last week is his numbers are down he's had a terrible time with foreign affairs abroad.
It -- the economy stuck in the mud.
He's a president who didn't have a lot to say.
And this is his lifeline he's been on the air ever since -- started it puts him in the spotlight he's the one who can say on the grown up in the room.
And they have been looking for a victory and they want to humiliate.
The house Republicans.
They can live shot this issue down at any point.
By expecting as you say for example of the medical device tax which passed the senate independently and in non.
Finding the vote I think by about eighty years so -- was overwhelmingly.
So you know that there's a constituency there but what Harry Reid and Pelosi and especially the president wants.
-- to give the Republicans nothing.
So they are left hanging out there swinging in the wind that eventually they will.
I think offers some -- or the Republicans.
Will cave -- -- and take a clean CR but as I say the reason they're drumming up all this stuff.
About the debt ceiling Democrats are truly worried about this because this is real stuff for the macro economy.
And the party in power is always in the end in the short form probably Republicans will bear the brunt on this as well but in the end a month or two or three down on the -- And especially Election Day November next year.
If -- hurts the economy and did you need to -- He's 1% or -- even negative.
You know you can do all the blame game you want -- to Democrats who have suffered.
So that's the GOP leverage and for the life for me I don't understand why they had to walk into.
Into the thicket of the CR when they have the debt ceiling you know.
I mean I enjoy it seems to me that this is all getting wrapped up into one thing.
And they're going to have to try to.
As Nancy Pelosi said get the debt -- off the table that's the first thing that -- Boehner agrees to that.
And then there's some kind of stipulation there has to be some kind of negotiation.
Otherwise this is going to go on in purpose.
-- it I think that's writing heard -- talk from Paul Ryan about that -- not forcing mechanisms and and vote people forget that using the debt ceiling.
Or -- artists they get.
Legislation you want is is a time honored thing I mean I think Gramm Rudman was done.
With the debt ceiling -- -- this is that these things have been done in the past there have been seventeen -- right and that's the other study it is the eighteenth -- -- down since 1977 and people are acting like it's the battle of the blitz I mean it's a ligament that -- want Britain or something that that this is.
Been unheard of calamity and I think that's in the democrats' interest for right now the problem Lou with combined the whole thing is that.
If if if they had taken the advice of Charles and some other people.
And had a strategy all along just going with the debt ceiling they could have built a single narrative a single argument.
Now because they're folded together I think it's gonna see more life.
Extremist obstructionism is just rolling from one catastrophe to another and that's a much worst PR situation.
Writes approaching seventeen trillion in debt.
Which you cannot put on a calculator tells you Washington.
Doers are not getting it.
It is anyone listening rights look at the bright side if we default at least we still have Obama care and Jim this is this is a common refrain -- he writes Charles you're losing it.
Time to bring another Charles Charles Payne he makes more sense you get it done this whole thing you have managed to.
Just really get to some of the conservative viewers take them the very.
The ones that are backing this stand by Republican.
As I say.
I've been exposed as a liberal mole here.
Thirty years of pretending to be a -- it's not easy to actually do that every night for thirty years.
But on this I felt I had to step out of character.
As I said Alger Hiss was a -- Coopers and look this is a matter of tactics and it is clear that it's rebounding against Republicans.
I can understand all the arguments against the case I made a week ago.
When it was all hypothetical as anybody and I mean this is helping the Republicans it's actually -- to abolish Obama care.
You know you played your strength why do you do battle where the American people on the C -- on the shot that.
-- four to one against you.
Rather than on the debt ceiling where the numbers show the American people are -- you'll want to win -- why would you choose the -- the bottom of the valley.
To have a battle when you're given the high ground.
It's rather simple it's not ideological.
How do you point earlier.
You know it is important to note that of 4800000.
People who've been furloughed.
And this is real they have to worry in the short term at least about paying mortgages -- putting food on the table.
Eccentric such an amateur and what federal contractors and the women and children -- -- are supported with the no government assistance the wick program that that is shut down there's all kinds of things that are actually.
Seventeen out of seventeen previous.
Had back paid all the people who were furloughed they've they've received back pay which.
You know logistically.
Is is expected to happen this time.
We went through the sequester where the White House told us.
-- what it was all going to fall I mean Jenin -- Thomas said we might not be able to protect the borders essentially.
Do you remember the transportation secretary lahood.
Send the TSA lines were going to be out -- -- the door and and it might shut down essentially air traffic.
And it didn't happen.
And now we are on the second day of the shut down and yes people are feeling pain but across the board they're not seeing this calamity.
And does -- Obama have out -- A problem on telling that story up against this next.
I think the administration overstated the case on the sequestered which -- cut a lot of money out of the federal budget wasn't anywhere near the calamitous.
Impact that through the White House predicted I'm not sure that's the case here were only on day two and there are a lot of ripple effect from this thing.
But let's not forget.
The John Boehner and Eric Cantor and other what you Michael's house Republicans they didn't want this -- they didn't want to bring.
The government to the brink of shutdown and then indeed close it down because they knew that ultimately they didn't have the leverage in the votes as -- -- controlling one house one house and the government.
To get rid of Obama care and yet different purposes a party unity.
-- was confronted with a revolt on his right and had to go along and so now he and they are locked in and here's the thing I think you've made this point four Charles.
Rather than the debate being about the roll out of obamacare the computer glitches how much it's gonna cost hundred will be eligible the debate is all about the tactics of this shutdown and there I think Republicans are getting politically at least.
The short end of the stick I guess my point is started that that you have.
Number of different agencies including EPA saying that they've been cut and they furloughed some eighty years seventy or 80% of their workers.
But they're still operating and they're still.
There's still did 93% of its staff.
Nonessential at the PM just looking at this trip.
So you have conservatives -- they're saying they're still operating so they can manage it.
Why don't we cut some of these workers -- know if it.
There's there's a real sort of teaching moment going conference call.
I think it's there are one point three million federal workers who haven't been laid off Wright -- really.
It's a much in and it is the idea that what -- CF 800000.
Nonessential workers most people don't notice they're missing.
Is it really outrageous to say maybe about 510% of them -- She shouldn't have been dropping mostly with a notice I mean we're talking here about things like food inspections I shouldn't cancer -- to use a thing that's now of football on the hill so it you know it's not like -- -- freeloaders doing nothing could the government be -- down a absolutely.
But when democratic position is not while you have the -- to the -- figuratively.
Although overshot the Irish rush rights as we worry about federal employees being furloughed during this -- haven't heard -- -- congressmen and women.
Are being paid or not should today and Obama get -- before everyone else it's a good question it's just in the constitution that.
It's mandated that they are paid.
And they are what's called mandatory pay and you're right some of them have agreed to to give up their salaries.
During this time.
And to charity and the number of them have.
But that is true their own giving their patients Jennings and.
I don't know I just you know -- it.
Good but I think though the point I'm trying to make is is just simply that as -- sort of libertarian teaching moment you find out the federal government.
You have it's funny listen to Nancy Pelosi she says so America the American people can get back to their lives.
And I think there's a mindset in Washington that government is the engine room and the command center combined in the entire country.
And that when the government isn't working people can't live their lives and -- he -- some people who work for the government but the vast majority of the American people.
Haven't noticed in their own lives yet.
That the government has been shut down they probably will over time as the food -- sort the pile up and all the rest but.
I does give you a sense of the mindset in Washington and also the extreme size of the government -- Well it would be a good starting point for slimming down -- government.
You begin to list all the things and people now agree on.
There's -- cancer -- the food inspection.
Air traffic control then you start to look at the nonessential.
And -- you realize that a lot of government was just.
He's really -- -- know about the fraud and abuse.
But I mean if when he was series a mile who has had senator Coburn right -- -- -- comes out with a list civilians that are wasted on this the billions and end up.
Go into dead recipients -- social security and others.
This is a monstrosity that if anybody was serious about -- can actually cut.
But they're all these constituencies which are protecting these agencies.
And nobody wants -- -- so this is me living -- -- make a difference that's.
One other point you know because you brought up to sequester.
The modern -- very deliberately try to make the sequester hurt as much as possible there's much -- can definitely -- will -- right not small and so but you know they they released.
Immigration and detained immigrants that they should have some of them with serious criminal records but it also -- -- air traffic -- They did the White House tours than they did things gratuitously to make it.
Pinch more than -- needed to and seeing the same thing with this I mean the idea of sending out.
Personnel making them essential just so they can block World War II vets from getting on to the World War II memorial.
That was totally recruiters and unnecessary when Barack Obama saying to the markets hey guys you really should flip out more than you are that is an attempt to.
Make -- shut down more painful than it actually.
Is for political purposes.
-- could you asked Charles if he's going to say the Republicans will be blamed for the shutdown.
That at least he has encouraged us to say but they are not to blank.
Were you read -- -- out this week and that's what it's about.
Of course I don't believe it's over -- I think that the Republicans.
We're making actually legitimate demands as I said on the show the idea that the clean CR.
There is some kind of you know I deal the bill and anything less than that.
He's rejected -- -- constitutional -- Americans -- The whole idea of appropriation is that you don't do it all in one go -- see are in and of itself.
The -- a bill that the funds the government entirely at the same level of last year in and of itself it's an admission of failure.
That you haven't been able to distinguish him -- programs that are good you wanna you wanna continue and those are bad you want to repeal.
But you know I'm I'm not sure I really understand this sort of losing it that you're saying.
The idea is can somebody make -- case.
Why -- strategy has rebounded.
Aid to the republicans' advantage or -- has in any way.
Given a prospect of the abolition of obamacare I would argue the opposite -- you weren't able to get to the obamacare story today.
And -- and all the problems I looked at the at the clock when I was watching the show until the -- sixteen on the show him it wouldn't be in the lead.
That would've been the story what is wrong with the system instead it's all about the World War II.
-- vets who was responsible for shutting them out and who's responsible for shutting the government down it seems to me the worst tactical choice.
Her and writes the World War II memorial was constructed -- maintained with private funds.
You rise but the park land the national park is is the mall and so that's why.
They have control over and they have close it down and and you're also right a lot of people writing and it's an open air thing it's really amazing that.
And you could just walk up there you don't have to have somebody holding your hand it's open.
So to close it actually takes more effort.
Then it is to leave it open it's pretty remarkable the whole story.
There isn't a door in the play there's no sort of -- in there because people put the new -- it's there's nothing like that right nothing's open you just go there too far.
So the park service said they had to have.
And trained security guards nearby with CPR training and he had to clean up any garbage and I'm telling you.
It's on an average day you don't see anybody there right and I know I've been down there wouldn't there's nobody.
They -- -- -- guards to guard the barricades make sure and only online facility they didn't they didn't need guards to garner the actual memorial.
But they needed guards to guard the barricades to keep people out of the memorial and he wants to go -- when to create the barricades and -- -- They didn't I wanna read this one thing because I didn't get into it on the show -- it's also about private funding this farm.
That is on government land itself by the CIA near McLean.
It is essentially.
Overseen by the National Park Service but it's privately funded and the director of this has been doing it for used to -- years.
And she says we've operated the farm successfully for 32 years -- -- school groups go there.
After the National Park Service cut the farm from its budget in 1980 were fully staffed and prepared to open today.
But there are barricades at the civilians and entrance to the far.
And if you were to park on the grass and visit our own you run the risk of being arrested.
Of course that will cost the -- -- staff salaries to police the -- against intruders while leaving it open will cost them nothing.
In all the years have worked with the National Park Service first as a volunteer for six years in Richmond where I grew up.
Then as a National Park Service employee for a very long years and now enjoy -- as manager director for the thought last 32 years.
I have never worked with a more arrogant arbitrary and vindictive groups representing the National Park Service are deeply apologize.
That we have to disappoint you today by being closed.
But know that we are working while the National Park Service is not as usual.
Strong letter to follow as Charlie would -- -- -- You know way it's clear that this person thinks they're going out of their way to make people feel this.
Well I don't know the details but the reason things like this are important is because politics is often about symbolism.
And that's why the World War II memorial incident has resonated I think in a way that -- that would have been hard to predict.
For the last.
Hit 34 decades there's been something in Washington called the Washington monument strategy that your budget was going to be cut you do something like clothes washing my something very visible would take off constituents and therefore you budget would not because here we're seeing that play -- a much larger scale so many people affected but it still comes down to symbolic moments like that memorial.
Are less than -- -- -- how long does this last.
The shift at least another week.
I'm gonna go with two weeks when my money on that right up to the -- after the real -- I used to understand insanity a lot better when I was a psychiatrist who could I'd say it might actually go all the way -- against him.
Good read my column -- out tomorrow night and 8 o'clock Washington Post dot com.
And I'm not too who wrote it on that and you'll see who's to blame for the shot there.
Connect he's a column -- -- let us.
It never and I mean ten news that's sure and then you have a special what we talk about the sun media buzz on Sunday morning okay joining your picture.
I don't know I'm the strategy here it is yeah.
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