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You know I think I'd like -- where we're gonna have coffee tomorrow at 11 AM on the steps I think really people think this is one party or the other.
My understanding is America being -- -- would both parties not talking and I think there's some symbolism to it.
That was Rand Paul senator from Kentucky on the record with Greta Van Susteren and this is still power play our Internet welcome back to the cannon -- Rotunda here as power play continues its peripatetic existence on the road while art studio home.
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I'm glad to have my part in the in in the book but it's a it's a great read the Bible for -- -- it's hot off some just say I think that's what the Internet would say about it all right -- Republicans.
Kind of creamed on the whole shut down business than they found a way that look like it was out of it which was -- -- of the World War II memorial.
Approach which is to say why should this be shot and that not -- -- this sort of litigating the question this week.
Okay what is shut down and what isn't the president who had been saying no negotiations said even.
Okay we'll have negotiations but they will be pointless and he invited them to the White House what's the state of play today.
We'll Republicans had some tactical successes in the last 24 hours Christian mentioned -- the World War II memorial.
Administration trying to put some extra road blocks that little extra money to make sure some of the open national parks are closed.
-- needs comment yesterday it would be easy tone -- comment it was.
Debt securities in there Dana bash I think we'll hear it later but Dana bash said why wouldn't you provide funding for the National Institutes of Health of -- would if it would help cancer kids as you point out.
majority leader and he wins.
Yeah bad news with the that the sit -- play today is what it was like all -- that was Charlie Rangel said.
That was the ahead of Charlie Rangel paid.
We'll have the rest of them on at some point in the near future but they obviously had someplace to go.
Josh go ahead.
Assuming the -- to play is what it was we get him.
To this New York Times poll out today -- More people blame Republicans than Obama but it's not -- -- enough margin.
For the political pressure.
-- really down.
On Republicans that's gonna come with the debt ceiling deadline and a couple weeks I see very little.
Prospect of this being resolved any time soon until that next deadline is coming.
I think we're we're gonna talk later in the show.
Two -- near dance music Republican congressman from California who is one of those who wants off of the life raft.
But for now the only hope for Republicans is if they can keep it together long enough to force Democrats to the table or otherwise they walk out of this thing.
Having frustrated the nation and got nothing.
Chris you're -- the relevant numbers about fifteen Republicans.
Obviously publicly said they would like to pass a clean CR they're willing to surrender and and give up at this point in time live at edu.
Deeply conservative members who've signed letters right I made comments through.
Basically represent the most.
Obstinate part of the Republican caucus that want this to be.
Resolved only -- health -- selling -- -- right here defund the way something that the president did keep the Republicans.
Absolutely have to teach diversity that's where the masses and and John Boehner isn't going to lucky siding with the -- because he knows that his position in the house but we've pocket that's well his.
There's his position but then there also is sort of one of those things that once you've undertaken even if you even if Boehner didn't wanna do it what you undertake the task if you stop.
What after you start then you then it's a double failure because not only did you take a risk but you've got nothing for -- Biggest political hit Republicans took with the day of the shut down October 1 right not -- -- who received positioning from both sides.
It is an infant in the defense but the worst political hit Republican -- was October 1 and isn't suitable polling that Republicans are being blamed a little bit but not overwhelming lesson.
Which presidents that we're gonna see this -- They're not reward this famed than usual.
And what what happened now of course is -- you get into next week.
And the actual consequences right now it is barricades at parks and things like that but the actual consequences of having 825000.
But having all these contractors that starts to stack up over time.
But by that point Florida in the debt ceiling negotiation right.
Absolutely and that's what advancing from jumbled together and looks like with a new strategy -- Republicans some Republicans -- -- to try to.
Bring other things into the equation spending cuts perhaps entitlement reforms and use the debt ceiling deadline -- and Andy and that's where we speak.
Congressman like Paul Ryan.
-- the Budget Committee Dave Camp chairman of the house Ways and Means Committee.
That are saying look guys.
Even if you don't like this if you didn't like this approach -- didn't like this -- that.
We now have a chance to get a full year federal fiscal -- get some compromise on something like tax rates and other things.
So they are gearing -- say the words that's a grand bargain anymore but they say.
Bigger bargain something more.
Keep in mind though that there's there's eighty Republicans the most conservative parts of Republican congress don't want this to be -- and want this to be about helped get.
So even though you have the more elite Republicans -- you -- the leadership -- Chris rent yes yes and yeah I don't think he's going to be the way out I think ultimately.
It's going to be surrender or get some some some concessions something.
-- -- I think adding it's at right now it's as little as president doesn't want to let them have any face to -- that.
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Okay you Internet about this one of those congressmen who has expressed some of those misgivings seven -- California will be here to talk to you and explain what is the way out of this wilderness before you you poorly -- the country you know.
We'll talk about that when we come back to stick around.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- we weren't winning and holding are wondering why why would we want to do that I have I have 11100 people at Nellis air force prefers sitting home.
They have the they have a few problems their -- this is good to have.
Someone of -- intelligence suggests that you think may mean -- irresponsible and breakfast.
That was not what Harry Reid probably wanted to say yesterday when asked by -- about -- CNN.
Why he wouldn't want to help just one kids with cancer.
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Shut down partial shut down today something.
I can't even remember it all runs together what does not run together.
Is our excitement at being joined by congressman -- unit is a Republican from California congressman while.
Thank you what are -- three day three takes -- it seems like so much longer.
First what's your district what do you cover up in the San Joaquin valley California -- Fresno -- you like -- you have to say you -- -- do you must actually -- reasons as a kid you OK that's cool all right.
So you are and I've seen you on the television.
You are among those Republicans who says this is not working out and this is not the right way to do it and you are now being touted by Democrats and on lists.
Of the guys and as we -- just -- met with Josh -- You may be outnumbered inside the Republican conference.
But it's still a pressure point for your leadership.
There seems to be some effectiveness though in the strategy when you hear Harry Reid saying things like he did yesterday in the strategy of throwing bills.
At the senate to vote on about funding things that are desirable for Americans of all political stripes.
Is there any merit and letting the process work its way out.
Well innocent town people take your comments and they decide they eat -- make things up what they think he says.
What what happened here when this was all laid out strategies laid out.
I mean for months have warned people this was a very poorly thought out strategy because we just don't have the votes to ultimately see this through so if you.
You know if you want to shut down the government.
And take -- hostage.
You better have an end game for what you're doing the right to how do you turn it back up right and so right now you know I'm actually fully -- leadership in keeping you know with the strategy even though I think it's about one.
Coca but I'm not gonna go enforce our leadership to now change gears to support our problems didn't.
That we have a lot of Republicans here.
Are who have not wanted to be part of the majority they continue to complain to leadership so after three years of this leadership finally said okay.
You wanna have your right we -- should only ever will support you guys on -- this -- And so I worked all the way up until the government shut down to try to get it steers clear from this this idea.
But I was unsuccessful so now.
We are in this fight and we're sending bills over -- -- we'll see you can -- -- it comes to do you conclusion.
The analogy I made was that if you start a trip that you don't want to take once -- -- that doesn't mean that you try to wreck the car basically that you said okay.
You were inside a conference that where the people who disagree with you one out inside the discussion inside -- conference to undertake this.
Ongoing funding for the federal government on making changes to the health care law.
You -- as well go ahead and about making changes they send a lot of heart folks and we're gonna get rid of Obama -- -- -- we're gonna just turn it off.
And you know that's -- never that was never gonna have for months.
Members of congress were at home and there were ads running.
As senator cruise was even doing this you know and now.
We are where we are where we don't have the votes to -- -- obamacare.
And so now we're trying to find a way out of this mess and it's very very difficult so I think at this point.
Republicans really need to look to senator -- and those that we got the strategy it's okay.
How do we get -- and I'm waiting on senator -- to come to us and say oh look here's the plan here's how -- out.
In terms of if you were and I'm sure that your voice is heard inside the conference.
What are you advising other -- to hear what's Ted Cruz has to say what are you advising your colleagues and I fellows to do.
That is in fact my advice -- cut it you know when it's not the -- your original strategy and you are you against it right and you would read it all along with the strategy.
You don't just hand over the keys to the car and say all right here you go congressman you know it's your turn -- The senator whose idea along with just a few Republicans who may need to come to us and say -- what is the next step in your plan.
Now we -- more news today security action which is the political action arm and we've talked about it before -- Heritage Foundation.
Formally eight prominent conservative think tank is now them.
Arguably I guess most influential -- most potent conservative political action group that's led by Jim -- former senator from South Carolina.
They're announcing advised today.
They never buy ads against Democrats -- -- never buy ads against Democrats they buy ads against Republicans.
Are you concerned that having spoken out about this kind of thing that you're gonna hear from mr.
demands -- senator -- group and others about voicing concerns about the strategy.
Now -- At all -- I've been totally up front my constituents have been totally up front -- all Republicans who wanted to listen at the end of the -- they can -- the ads they want.
And obamacare is not going to be ended -- this with the strategy.
Now -- -- I've read some good pieces on this and I've read some discussion on this but basically -- -- some conservatives have started to expressing concern Charlie hurt whose prominent columnist.
And a friend of the shows.
-- written basically that while he supported the goal he was very concerned about what he described as sort of a duplicitous.
Approach today if you tell people let's defund obamacare but it's not possible.
That you break the trust in you break faith with the electorate.
Yeah I mean look this was.
This is really about simple math and cut right so you need it took sixty votes to put obamacare -- on the senate.
Right now -- Republicans have 46.
Even if you got the sixty votes let's say -- that you have this prolonged.
President this is where the senate sitting on the ball while the government shuts down that there's a Republican filibuster blocking any action and it's in the US senate.
So assuming I think it's far fetched to believe you could even get to sixty because I need fourteen to.
But I -- right but let's assume you do well then you have the -- -- -- most people believe.
The name obamacare and have a president named Obama.
You think he's going to be doing back and he said he would not.
That he would -- -- that he was that he would that he would absolutely do you tell me how to building got rid of Obama that -- would absolutely be -- -- absolutely Vito.
I tend to believe him on that this is the signature issue so now that -- is no longer sixty.
And number now is 672.
-- and the number of the house is no longer 218.
It's now 290.
So this is really a simple mathematical equation if someone can tell me the end game where we get 290 votes in the house to get rid of obamacare.
And 67 votes in the senate fine if you can't do that.
Then what is your plan what is -- -- it.
Well right now the end game looks -- -- viewers -- speaker the speaker of the house trying to get a concession of some kind from the president.
On the health care -- so that he can come back to you guys and say look.
Obviously to your point it wasn't going to be repealed or to funded but we got this now can we talk about larger things I want to ask you.
As well the chairman of the Budget Committee Dave Camp ways and means.
Are trying to put together -- consensus -- yeah let's get some changes on obamacare but let's also take the opportunity in the debt ceiling.
To get a full year fiscal package that will address that something's on entitlements some things on the tax code.
That sounds sort of like find this guy.
Great plan I've got great idea we had good leverage if we were gonna do that in the debt negotiations have which is what we put our best when our leadership tried to do.
Two weeks ago.
But a lot of groups out there who call themselves conservative groups.
One out said no we can absolutely went on the strategy we shut down the government and we're gonna -- to get 67 votes in the senate in -- in the house.
That's what they said that's their position so even what you're saying oh some concession now they promised that they were gonna get rid of Obama care with the strategy.
It's a lot.
-- -- from the beginning.
That is what we call incredulity.
And -- congressman we thank you for making time for us we appreciate it.
You Internet is that I want you to do I want you to stick around because when we come back you know we're going to do.
We're gonna have our all star panel.
On location here and we're gonna talk about this issue we're gonna talk about the survivability.
Inside the impact zone for Republicans and Democrats -- political damage.
Is starting to hit both sides.
Who can last the longest who's got the endurance in thunder dome.
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So you run the G hot and America excited healthcare shutting down the part wasn't a problem it's getting down in Asia and and that is -- you know you're having kind of an off day when you are screaming the worded Jihad on the floor of the House of Representatives George Miller.
Democratic congressman from California.
This is power play welcome back Internet how we -- it.
OK so old.
What about that and what about the fact that Democrats are very mad now the anger is rising on both sides.
Democrats are very frustrated that the Republicans are talking about things that they normally talk about.
Like here for cancer kids.
And access to public parks Democrats -- want to talk about that so they're getting a little.
Can this gambit and it's just again it.
-- this gambit from Republicans I enough time.
For speaker John Boehner to get his conference out shut down jail is -- -- path out.
People who could navigate -- path -- Anybody out of anything given enough money probably but our David Mercer he is former deputy national finance director for the Democratic National Committee he is in democratic strategist and welcome guest and friend of this Internet telecast Ford O'Connell same same.
Former McCain Palin presidential campaign advisor.
And an advisor.
-- heard the chairman.
By itself of the civic forum -- I don't think I assume Republicans can hire you to do stuff -- yeah right okay so he's open to that that means their strategies.
All right guys David.
The president took a I would describe it is when you reduce -- -- position.
That said I will not negotiate with Republicans over these things I will not negotiate about continuing funding as it relates to my health law.
And I will not negotiate with Republicans as it relates the debt ceiling.
But yesterday they had fake negotiation where everybody and I would love Wisconsin.
I would love to have been there for the last forty minutes of that where it was like we can't leave now so we have to like sit here and you know they're like.
So do you like tetris like what you guys up to -- it it it got the president to the table yesterday this World War II memorial thank the Republicans have a lifeline in this.
Democrats don't like it.
And the president and the president's not the -- shown his willingness to negotiate his constitutional times.
Has nothing to do this notion that you went winning this thing -- -- Legislation.
In those negotiations when they have no part in it.
And we're hearing now in the shutdown and has -- The Republican leadership.
Boehner and calling the kamikaze caucus refused.
I don't I'm going to -- -- currency -- refused to get together.
In conference on the two budgets and pass the house and senate.
We wouldn't be sitting today that if -- I had good let me show you where you're -- I'm going to you're fortunate you don't have kept government open.
And did not copilot with obamacare -- in law that passed the house passes -- And supported by the Supreme Court sort of product that I got no wait wait wait -- that saved.
And -- the right now we want both -- gentlemen hasn't violent temperament.
They're there has not been a full year federal fiscal budget.
We have stopped rationally budgeting in this conference cousin -- confront them like crisis.
It's one that loses coming already -- -- Palin and combat yeah.
-- -- I know much about it Sunday.
-- sort of memorial -- now forward now yeah -- way to get it you've got one of just point out.
We have been poorly governed as a nation that was some time and that goes back to the end of the bush era.
Win the big quick budgeting and it was like just passing yards in just go.
And then -- Democrats when they took total control of Washington.
Kept that going.
We have 433 months and I'll get off my soap box -- you could talk for books for 33 consecutive months we have been on the brink of some sort of disaster -- -- from -- they -- -- news conference.
Anyway David -- go ahead -- Neither party is doing great so let's -- but the good thing for my guys right now is since you guys used to be about compassion decency and shut down World War II memorial.
You don't -- -- see kids that have to answer I get it.
But the problem isn't my ideal place -- way.
And he didn't really -- be discussing the oil at the bottom line down you guys I don't wanna -- -- -- he talked about you know.
This long winning an election went over the house Republicans one point wolf who who -- -- movement and the -- doesn't.
They have the power -- the power that's the way this works OK at the end of the day -- our business decisions that you pay you.
Guys are playing games and I know we probably could do all right all right Iraq.
Now look -- money -- people do you know what do you know what it hot -- it in politics what's possible is what you can get away and we know that that's the truth.
And the question is.
Can Republicans get away win.
Blockade -- full year -- blockading full federal funding.
For the remember what retirement two million federal civilian employees 825 of them 800 -- about a thousand of them are not going to work that's a big -- Can Republicans.
In some way that is not I know what you would say they have a great way out which is full.
Students are right but yeah but can they find a way through this.
By talking about this -- says these issues about.
What about funding and I can we want -- fun stuff.
And that is from government capital and and who voted for Clinton mentioned program and we would have known should not and I stipulate or whatever the rules but is this this this strategy work -- it was gonna find out I believe that the strategy doesn't work.
Polls -- policy institute think it's probably this edgy street corners of the engraving on this priorities and work and it's not its.
Editors -- -- government shutdown.
-- to trying to find.
I'm healthy for this strategy can work because only seventeen house Republican -- -- district that President Obama and helped us one point.
But they have to come up I think the only as well and that you have to have a -- yellow lights went but it into the debut with the couple this with the debt ceiling and find a way out.
And keep the government going and I think that can be on the question is in the conservative -- yeah it's a big collection -- -- could -- do you -- -- Do you with his -- Paul spinoff of the savings and -- point for a cost the American people haven't even -- -- political content will be the team.
I've got my little was given to him from.
You cannot shut this down I know this will probably Rajon we have -- after the show show show they would still be arguing that you jealously plus a power play doubles plus hi guys we thank you for making it over here.
I thank you for not being shut down.
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But the president is the one who carries the burden in the blame.
For the overall economy which is why he enjoys the -- he goes into he enjoys it politically because it hurts the Republicans.
And everything he's done.
-- to play to it and to show himself as the one who -- above these crazies on the other side.