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And that is what it sounds like when Air Force One.
-- it's jets that's the powering down of Air Force One that's not for this time that was from a recent trip and that's what President Obama.
Is having to do as a result of the government shut down his trip across the South Pacific Bali Hai.
Is no -- and this is still a power play and I'm still Crist are well and you are still match.
-- -- and Washington -- -- you are still the executive editor what we're now what title would you take it for yourself editor in chief editor.
Little the -- there were no negotiation was overnight we do not negotiate that not that under any circumstance unless somebody's going to.
The question is this the president just moments before we started that White House issues what we call.
Statement of administration policy.
Stephen -- Ministry's policy is we're going to veto something and so what have they said that when it came to the idea.
Signing into law any of these super short term funding resolutions on the veterans administration fund whatever they would be to those do you buy that.
No I doubt it would ever reach his -- to begin with because -- Harry -- so far -- been pretty good in keeping the -- -- senate Democrats.
In line in -- there's -- quote -- from the anonymous administration official today in the Wall Street Journal saying.
We're winning and we don't care how long the -- -- goes on it you know it makes me think.
Republicans went into this not really thinking what their exit strategy was what the -- state was that they wanted I'm beginning to think I don't know if the White House knows that their exit strategy with what is there and -- I think they.
In their view they think that this is going to be a fight -- eventually we'll get the Republicans to submit into the hole right.
Fever breaks if -- very very -- -- well let's check out the fever.
I've got the fever doctor Johnny fever -- Fox News poll.
How serious is the government shut down 58% say -- and it's serious.
-- -- 3% say somewhat.
10% say not -- and 7% I don't know who these people December -- -- like it's not even an all serious these do them like we should keep this is how we should operate the government.
Is we should send 825000.
People -- and not have them back.
Number two -- use your family be significantly affected by the government shutdown no say 60% of people.
They're probably right -- now.
Most responsible this is the money -- -- Most responsible for the government shutdown.
Republicans like Boehner 25% President Obama 24% so -- it's a -- of it's it's a race to the bottom.
And they're both winning.
-- does this does the reality of the politics on this as you point out the expectation among Democrats was that this would be.
Quickly punishing to Republicans as evidenced by the fact that they waited this long to cancel this -- on trip to Burma.
But is this.
Changing do you think the way the Democrats have to think about it.
It is and for this reason Chris did politics of that continuing resolution have now kind of shifted into the politics of the debt ceiling.
And so -- I really doubt we're gonna have a resolution of the shut down before they have to deal.
That also includes the deficit and because you know -- Jack -- the Treasury Secretary pointed out just yesterday about October 17 is when the federal government would breach that debt ceiling and then the shutdown would actually become much more I think painful for Americans because in you have.
Take emergency measures you might have to cut back on Social Security in order to pay the interest on the -- so it's like this the federal government spent something like ten billion dollars today.
It borrows something like three and a half billion of those dollars in order to function you have a partial government shut down that -- city again.
Huge this is it would be the catastrophic -- that's.
But that's not at all.
The other thing it does is of course makes global financial markets -- their undergarments as that happens.
And -- see interest rates for American consumers.
Go through the ceiling.
That's right and you know Obama is in a position just yesterday he was.
Kind of raising the possibility of exactly the scenario you outlined and in fact what happened while the markets fell it's not usually the role of an American president to scare the markets.
He thinks that that would put pressure on the Republicans but of course.
Obama is the president of the United States of America if something like this scenario you just laid out were to happen he would also share in the blame.
So it once we turn to the debt ceiling fight which I think is what we're doing now.
I think the Republicans are on firmer ground in order to get some kind of arrangement.
That funds the government experts say -- -- so when that's sort of what that's that's the end game everybody wants.
I -- I think what Democrats want more than anything out of this is for Republicans to be smashed on the rocks.
For this to be a constructive defeat for.
Republicans -- what everybody also wants.
Is to have a full year federal fiscal -- so that you can go to the next election because that's pretty much -- we do here is go to the next election and that's not that that's bad.
The president can't go to Asia.
Can't he play golf this weekend or does he need to look serious and work.
I think he needs to look serious and worried the only way he could play golf as if maybe he extended the olive branch to Boehner and but of course he hasn't done that so far you know that meeting they had at the White House that the leaders it was the same thing he had told -- -- on the phone on.
Monday night which was.
I'm not negotiating.
And you know.
Rand Paul was picked up on that hot Mike saying to favorite really pull that -- doesn't that doesn't sound very good for the administration to say we're not negotiating we're not passing I think.
-- and and tables have turned I think Rand Paul was right on that despite being criticized for you know letting his opinion still on the open Mike.
Where did the I didn't see the word -- mornings ago.
I don't -- now I do not what -- -- morning today to get a sense of what the opponents are thinking other than just Garber right right okay.
-- we don't have we don't do that because we love America too much.
But America loves you and thank you for making time for us and -- and over here.
But you get your free -- power play bottle of water you Internet you don't get anything out of this except for in entertainment and excellence -- information but that's enough that should be enough for anybody.
So why don't you stick around his when we come back ever panel we have a new panelists that we're trying out today we think that you will like her and if you don't -- -- -- -- the -- Talk -- in a minute stick around.
And then respond in a way that leads 8000 federal employees.
And god knows the tragedy of this -- person who came on the hill in a black -- no one knows what would drive this person to do this.
But what I would say to -- is.
Let's get -- wheels back on serve the American people bring them back.
Vote for a bill today that will open a government.
-- Sheila Jackson -- is a democratic congresswoman from the great state of Texas they -- drawing.
A parallel or something and that relates to a very saddening.
Event that took place on the -- yesterday is a woman who.
Apparently had mental problems mother of a young child.
Tried to get through security and was killed.
And there was Sheila Jackson -- talking about that as she was voting against -- house backed measure.
To fund parts of the government that Republicans like.
But not parts that the Republicans don't like so is it getting to is it is it getting too tense in these parts.
Garland Nixon is never too -- Garland remains cool.
-- is yes he's a radio show host on WP FW jazz and justice both.
He provides only justice -- because he's a former peace officer former law enforcement officer -- -- exit is a man of the last.
Welcome meet and know Lisa Booth she's the president of the Republican communications association what does that do.
There will essentially what we're doing is -- just try to push the Republican message of sun limited government.
Lowered -- says and it.
More economic front which flavor Republican communications association like who who do you work for him find you what are you about race -- we are essentially just communicators on Capitol Hill and off republic and it all like minded.
Got it OK -- So you are communications specialists who are encouraging each other to communicate better communication professionals.
Profession quite so madam I did not mean to -- doing quite so yes I should -- commute I should have communicated that -- -- okay all right I will not make that mistake again.
Right so here's a question Garland I want to start with you.
These are not 535.
People that do well.
When they are left stuck together and running loose and you know this true yes.
It when you leave them stuck on campus.
With a lot.
Of cameras around and cameras running they're gonna say and do things especially when the stakes get high and people get -- Sheila Jackson -- is prone to.
-- from hyperbole from time to time but as this goes on everybody more and more gas more and more problematic statements are gonna take place.
-- and you know with that it with that incident have been around DC long enough to know.
Who once there's an economist -- stalemate or any kind of a problem anything that happens somebody from one of the parties is gonna try -- -- you know right now with folks not to discount the severity of the of the incident but it's it's somebody everything right -- somebody backed over cat right now there'd be one of the 435.
Blaming the other party well and there was.
There was even somebody in the Washington Post columns question because I can't remember her name but said.
And Obama -- trying to fix mental health.
And so the Republicans do this about it.
But to to this point as the keep it as your fellow members of the communications association are out there keeping people on message.
And behaving themselves.
Gets difficult in this -- It's great well I don't think it's possible to keep Sheila Jackson Lee on message -- -- -- that's a point to make first and foremost great.
And I mean obviously yesterday it was a tragedy and Garland thank you for serving the country and -- you know we certainly owe a debt of gratitude.
To the capitol police officers hill -- you know briefly acted yesterday today you know protect innocent lives.
I did today this is the -- -- Democrat and demagoguery that we seats from Democrats all the time she's just taking a typical page from the Democrat playbook.
And what she's trying to do -- face because Republicans are gaining ground.
I don't think that's in any -- bugs and the it's now I don't I don't think they have that I looked this I don't think it's in there.
What happens though is.
And we're talking about this as it relates that president but it happens with congress to.
Win you have hanging fire when things are they are and they're not resolved.
The way that we talk about them in the way that they go affect things you saw the line from a senior administration official talking to the Wall Street Journal who said -- winning the shut down.
Who knows who say you're winning the shut down you're supposed to always be sad about -- shut down.
In the town that is so driven by -- and by message.
And whether this is Republicans who cheered when they heard that the EPA was being shuttered or whatever else.
The way that you can do were.
Matters a lot when you're in this space.
What's the advice for lawmakers as they go into this they have to talk they I mean these.
There's Peter King from New York is standing right over there there have been lawmakers around this were in there will be won here in a moment they have to talk.
And they can't just say nothing.
Well I that would be my advice to them for the Democrats say as little as possible donate blood -- and I tell you -- because from our perspective you know -- the other teams fighting amongst each other.
Then you -- to be quiet and just let that happen and I think it's right now the Democrats did it did the best thing that we could do would be to be quiet and to emphasize the divisions within the Republican Party.
And working -- last night.
On the record written into.
He made it very clear -- if you all right you made it very clear.
He was plowing ahead that he was forging forward and that house leaders needed to be be funding the president's health law.
Critical I mean I think that Republicans are on the side of the American people as obamacare and trying to delay an interactive on -- -- -- imagery it's an unpopular since -- but tactically.
They -- they have disagreed there in the European.
Status in 2010.
Debt a Democrat incumbents who voted for obamacare.
Lost Friday on it was a six percentage.
Six yes six -- percentage loss because -- -- for obamacare monitors -- -- tell.
I think going into the 22014.
Answers as we stipulate we stipulate -- when it comes to doing this when it comes to how to do it.
There's a world of difference between we were talking about this in the first segment there's a world of difference -- John Boehner who says do what you -- to do but on the sixteenth.
We are gonna lift the debt ceiling you're either gonna get something out of this deal for you ain't gonna get something out of this deal so he's put his own conference on notice.
That they've got a date that and they now have a time limit to do this right.
-- that Republicans are heading into the debt ceiling debate with leverage the president house you it.
He half series the debt -- he can't to -- our country can afford another downgrade and so it.
I know but I think it would be believes we're really good.
Everybody has leverage on each other and it's possible you could end up.
It's it's possible right now 25%.
Of Americans blame the president 25% blame house Republicans.
In our latest Fox News or it is possible that you could basically get that up to 5050 that -- get to everybody say these people staying at their jobs and I would argue that the Republicans have absolutely zero leverage with the debt ceiling.
John Boehner has said this.
Well I will not.
I will -- -- the full faith and credit of the United States so he's saying I will raise the debt ceiling if I have to write it in the next -- says.
But if you don't give me what I what I won't raise another way to -- what he's saying isn't a what do what the speaker saying yes.
I'm willing to take this to 1159.
But I'm not gonna wait until the clock strikes midnight and he's so he's negotiating as you say and this is doesn't helpful to Republicans.
Apparently any threat to negotiate and will no -- the president and under the present not negotiating for -- But.
-- John Boehner.
I know all right I'm back over here but people want to hear her more than me in Garland but for the president he goes and he's going to eventually have to go back to the bargaining table.
But the Republicans being divided here.
The republic while he went to fake negotiations earlier this week here is that we stipulate we simply log into question that I give you the microphone -- -- but.
-- for the president.
That's his situation but for Republicans to be a lot more helpful -- Boehner didn't have to be.
With -- the kinds of his own fellow Republicans in the New York Times before you get to the negotiating table.
Well I mean look we don't know what's going on internally on the Democrat side of reporters loved to write about what's going on with Republicans jubilation.
It's only us and you know I mean modern era -- -- -- puzzling thing we can all in heavy heavy support for Ted Cruz then you know -- -- -- one thing and in non periodic.
-- -- we couldn't have asked for a better got it right last word last word last words let's and I -- to get to both quickly.
How long days ago how does -- end Garland -- first.
I'd see -- I'm gonna have to throughout two weeks and I think there's only one way forward to in and that is the Republicans are gonna run of the white flag and they're gonna give the president what he wants.
And highly disagree actually think we're heading into the it's it's going to go into the -- -- crates were looking at a couple weeks I imagine.
I highly disagree with you I think that obamacare is going to be huge -- I honestly think going into the 2014 elections it's gonna be a killer firfer Democrats so -- You have been highly disagreed with you -- not just regular disagreed with you've been.
Highly discouraged and highly president of the work that's hot it's high disagreement very nice here.
As a group of its -- hate it it's highly disagreement but rendered in a very kind collegial fashion my.
So we -- years so -- it's no wonder that you have an association it's -- -- professional a professional don't mess with that that's exactly guys we thank you -- -- -- -- You Internet don't go anywhere because when we come back.
One of those Republican congressman who's trying to figure out right now.
What to do about this what's the way home and he would probably like to be back in Kansas right now instead if you're doing -- Mike Pompeo will be here when we come back.
So stick around.
I think we're seeing momentum in the senate you know senate Republicans a couple of weeks ago we're divided I think we're more and more becoming united.
Supporting the house Republicans.
And that's was Ted Cruz who's on the record sprint events that he's a senator from Texas you may have heard of them.
Who is trying to be on the president's health care law and he says that the momentum is gathering behind house Republicans to continue to push for finding.
Is that true I don't know.
Mike Pompeo who knows he's a congressman from Kansas is -- West Point graduate.
He is on the foreign affairs the intelligence intelligence but I knew it was something with other countries that sometimes disagree with us that you guys like most of them do but congressman welcome back -- -- good to me.
OK so Ted Cruz said last night that the momentum is building for the defund movement.
-- seemed a little like really are you sure he's again -- house Republicans are gonna just hold the line here.
Now the speaker of the house made a big point yesterday.
In saying something that was sort of like designed to be -- it had that.
Now make sure you don't tell the New York Times about this kind of -- -- as he went to a few offices in -- now remember.
I jump in the water fall on the debt ceiling ways you can get what you want between now on the sixteenth and then it's over.
So who's right.
Good luck this week -- always make clear that he doesn't want us to move to the place where we default but I heard the speaker this morning make very clear.
That this is a moment where the American people are gonna get to make a decision about this enormous entitlement -- the Affordable Care Act and that the fight that I came to congress to fight.
-- the fight I think the speaker wants to engaging to.
As out of there we -- to disagree with the Democrats or be mean we just we are completely convinced that this is our opportunity.
To undo an enormous piece of the debts and deficits -- we piled on the next generation.
It's odd pop pop pop watch leadership -- -- our our caucus be very united in saying hey look -- -- everything we're looking forward.
We've already offered three or four different -- of what we're looking forward but -- we've got to make changes to this completely I'm workable and unaffordable health.
Your administration says this this afternoon this late this morning.
That they've president Vito.
Any of these were calling them mean these two yards this is now is like double -- So basically what we're talking about here are.
Finding small term funding measures for noncontroversial things.
Everybody wants veterans administration funded -- center.
Residents says today I'll veto those things if the senate -- to ask him do you think that that's true do you think he really would.
I find that unexplainable.
The fact that he refuses to negotiate.
And talk -- -- and engage I -- I just find that despite it unexplainable.
And we talk about small bills you you'll remember this is how we actually run government right on the did when he -- you separate program you Melancon normally -- you heard about exactly right.
It's only been a recent history where we -- when big bill together and nobody knew what was -- -- -- the government that way.
The proper way to fund government is by a department at a time by -- appropriations goes -- that's a that's precisely the work that we're doing so to say hey I'm not gonna find women infants and children I'm not gonna fund cancer research because you didn't find.
The taper appreciation caucus whatever maybe and that -- something to be appreciated their -- that is they have a -- yeah.
Right now I wouldn't surprise everybody and while I don't think that I have begun and people are very tough -- loved Eddie -- at that would happen if -- think it does this how this that we.
Are supposed to work it is our task.
Decide where to prioritize the taxpayers' money at fundamentally Congress's role -- so I find it absurd to say well you -- and can't do that you can't choose when one thing and not another.
It was exits with Isabel that's coming up and this is right that this is this is the best brewers and he of course but so I think as we move down that path the president realizes.
It makes sense I hope you'll come and have a negotiation with the talk.
-- seen it yet obviously he's that he wouldn't do not talk to us a couple times before and we got the largest spending reduction since World War II in the budget control.
Thank god we can do it again you take a man off the golf course for a little while he's going to get a little out cheap now congressman last thing -- -- I have best.
Are you is does this necktie that you're wearing signify.
Anybody in the navy are you wearing an air force colors today just because it's anybody in the name of that I'm glad the games being played I can't wait till December -- gets a shot at them and I hope we've got government.
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