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Good morning welcome back to political insiders on -- and -- the day here today in New York with Martin Hinton our producer who's going to be a panelist today because doctor doctor shown.
It's gone to England for the week and -- -- will join us we think momentarily via Skype from Charleston, South Carolina over here.
So while we wait for pat -- we are now ten days from.
Defaulting on the national debt if a deal is not made.
And that seems to have overtaken.
The health care thing of a week ago.
What do you see as where were at politically with this mess in Washington well I -- to.
When we were chatting before the show I don't know what the word compromise means anymore -- what what.
And you've made you have any comments -- I guess I wonder when they talk -- its.
Think they've got these great words like grand bargain and after reach a compromise and and and -- -- I don't understand what -- compromise of my twelve year old.
That means that she doesn't get something and I do.
Or I don't get -- it she does is is it that simple really both get -- are you -- do you give -- something that she wants and she gives you -- -- to do something that you want in -- victim that is there is some element of doing something you don't wanna do you have -- -- something that you're not content whether you prefer weren't the case is that the political compromises every Wednesday when -- feel like -- five.
Well -- compromise.
Is -- up something to get some.
The problem here is I can't find any two Republicans who can agree on what it is they're holding out for him.
A week ago the forty to eighty Tea Party people were holding out to defund obamacare even though everybody else told that'll never happen.
Over the weekend watching all the shows there was no talk of Obama -- really other than the bad rollout of the web sites have last week button.
Substance of the bill is not being challenged as much by these Tea Party Republicans.
Who -- -- kind of quiet for the moment other than to say we aren't compromised.
So and Obama excuse me who says I'm not negotiating.
-- -- So if you're not negotiating and not compromising.
The next ten days not much is gonna happen it's like showed up to a chess tournament with checkers pieces that we are not -- I mean that's scary right.
It's scary but in the end someone's -- blank and I think it will have to be some element of the Republicans are gonna have to give them.
Whether it's pain -- who will not let the default happened.
Or maybe Obama will make a deal with senate Republicans on something there that they are willing to work with them.
The house is a different deal but maybe if the senate does something and Obama than they -- -- to the house.
At the last minute something could happen which could be this a three month.
Extension of the debt when.
And buy more time to let this thing at some point everyone's gonna wish this thing goes away this -- this unhappiness is not getting anybody anymore.
We it it would seal -- you know -- it would be that there's a sentiment among people that.
-- -- enough that that no matter what the pain of say -- shut down or the debt ceiling being not extended.
It's time to do the right thing no matter the consequence and and we see a lot of it from say -- -- Ted Cruz sort of element of the GOP.
How realistic is that in in in.
The way politics in the country operates -- what this could like hit the tomorrow standards that you and it's this is a it's a great thing this country does right we we stand up for the right thing when.
It maybe not easy.
What is the right well that's what what are you what are they standing up for I mean one when John Boehner says were in an epic battle.
Now an epic battle was to stop slavery or to give blacks equal rights -- to give women equal rights those -- epic battles.
What in one sentence is this battle I don't know is it to stop obamacare.
If that's their epic battle -- John Boehner calls that an epic battle it's a battle he will lose Obama -- the law of the land.
The better move on on on this would be.
It's too late now to stop Obama -- I think they realize that the food while we're talking let's put number two.
And it's a whole bit of Fox News poll that came out the end of last week you -- -- Do you believe health care law will be repealed or defund.
Say yes -- -- 64%.
Say no -- will remain law.
That's as of last Tuesday Wednesday and that is accurate.
I think almost three to one that it is going to remain in the law.
And let the Charles Krauthammer approach take place which is let the law work.
Let it have the good and the bad and if the bad -- it's as bad as we think it will pay.
The public -- hate it it won't work doctors will be unhappy patients everybody be unhappy.
And you'll have your issue -- -- 2014126.
-- for the Republicans to ride back resurgent.
On this issue.
So you need to play -- game -- -- -- -- -- you you get up now -- what would you say to people who are who think that too much is being given up already -- -- the frustration with.
Things that at some point you have to -- if you will let the -- Stoppard and draw -- line in the sand if you will.
But that's the other fed up with this waiting for things -- to be fixed and it just never seems to happen and the law -- just like everything else he didn't that.
You know the nation's Laver -- never change.
The answer that -- -- elections have consequences we lost in 20 wait.
The house the senate and the White House and Democrats came and put and this -- law that we think it's awful.
In the place legally even if we don't like the means they did.
The Supreme Court upheld that the president was reelected after all that.
Thus sort of conferring authority on it.
I'm sorry I don't like it but it's the way -- us if it's as bad as we suspect for job creation.
And medical care and medical cost.
We will get another shot to change this war.
There are parts of it that are going to be pocket you know that the two things that the Democrats.
And had to take effect before the 2012 election because they knew they'd be popular.
Number one insurance companies can't deny.
For preexisting conditions.
Who doesn't like that.
Number two your kids stay on your policy until -- 26 years old kids like it they vote parents like so.
That that's -- I'm -- that sounds like insurance reform not Health Care Reform to me.
Could that the GOP find it invaded it -- -- -- about.
Insurance reform and making these companies operate in a matter that.
Then leaves the private sector medical community -- operate as it has -- coming out but the other thing that the main bulk of the of our health care over the last thirty years is this notion that your employer gives you as part of your compensation your health care.
That has become very Dicey.
Under this law.
If your full time worker in the company of fifty or more workers your -- your employer has to give you health insurance what are we now reading is happening.
They're reducing your forty hour full time job to 29.
Hours or less for your part time.
By law under this law at 29 hours or -- -- -- to give you insurance so it's not unlike a lot of other things corporations -- a lawyer to find a way to avoid all things that are gonna make them.
And -- anticipated.
Really I think why.
Those who created this law and that they would say IA -- we anticipated these people would get cut back down.
But they'll get their health insurance through exchanges.
You tell -- you're -- You're living -- forty hour a week job.
With health insurance include.
You're now reduced to 29 hours.
And no health insurance are you getting less today.
And no health insurance and by -- law you have to -- your own health insurance.
So you have to spend more money how is that a good deal on that is why labor does a -- this -- either.
And why the Republicans were dumb.
They should have made an alliance with big labor over the summer.
And said let's work you from the left we from the right -- gather just to delay this law until we can change so.
That would have been -- -- -- they've -- There from what you UN patent -- and say enough for some time.
I mean it.
-- EU you do the math with those 29 hours and and by yourself and I think the reason I'm in this business is I don't see how that works and that seems like the punishing environment suddenly be in -- -- Working at large corporation I can't think of any that -- -- -- -- my head but.
I mean I -- your point being that bad impact.
Those people will.
Be possible to campaign to them -- -- listen you're in the situation because of the Democrats because of obamacare.
Vote for the Republican your next.
Congressional race senate race presidential election and we'll take that -- away it will -- That probably in order to fix that they need a specific plan of what they would right.
OK so and -- is 5040 hour tornado and our thing that's got to be change to these people get back.
And an -- -- get back to their full time job I mean.
And what about job creation in country and an economy that's still struggling.
Companies are hesitant to create new jobs with this obamacare restriction put on.
So they're hiring but they're hiring part time workers.
And who are not insure that's not good either I think what's gonna end up happening the irony will break.
The two things that are good.
They're here to respect you can't deny from pre existing and your kids stay on the pulse.
The rest of the law designed to cover everybody in America with health insurance.
The irony as they'll be more people uninsured.
After a year of this war than there were a year before.
Because of the unintended on an anticipated.
Behavior of business not to hire people full time or to lay people off.
And then people don't have any money they're not gonna even with these exchanges they're not gonna go buy insurance that are have the moment.
Five Chinese -- one of our regulars we have we have through Saturday -- -- Who's to blame for the partial government.
Slim down -- the new president new phrase slam and I and I don't know it yet.
So what -- diet if there's a -- -- -- -- -- and one you can't say about the government is that it's slimming down America.
Johnny sage says the senate for not considering is spending bills the house sent over months ago.
That is a factor by the way they're doing it now to the house is voting on each department each separate part of the government -- to shut down.
Re opening parts veterans military -- -- parks and sending them over to the senate to force votes the senate just not even consider.
That that we've got pat and I wanted to -- -- and then we'll come back with pat after we'll take a break and have there's pat in Charleston good morning good morning we're gonna he's already started we were having.
My straight problem as the -- and a great we'll take a quick break we'll have the whole rest of the show with you -- and they will be right back on political and so others.
Okay were back on child ability -- here with Martin -- in new York and live via Skype from Charleston, South Carolina.
Packard -- good morning pat good morning.
-- that we're gonna open up the rest of the show with the poll you can't see it on your screen them and read it to you while -- viewers get to look at it Fox News poll from last week.
Question is -- what is happening in the country today.
And the answer is 88%.
Say government is in charge of the people.
8% say that people are in charge of the government.
Please give us your thoughts on that unbelievable.
-- I think it's an incredible number and I've got some other numbers I've been saying this week.
That that more or project I've been working on.
That are just starting with the level of alienation in this country he serves the people believe that the powers and taken away from them.
-- sense that politics is broken social or.
And -- sensitive really had this game and more than just saying a few days a passionate.
Fury at these political.
-- we live in an America of course where this is incurred.
Because of political class controls most of the mainstream media.
You can certainly find it all the law and everything it's part of you know it was partisan over and I think this what we're seeing with this shut down.
And what the debt ceiling is two parties or reconsider making political points.
Or good but all about a third of the country.
And I think the American people believe that and I the American people think they're not in control and the question is -- a democracy like ours we cannot survive.
-- -- people do not on every six cents a true belief in their own efficacy and it is real democracy cannot survive is merely a -- village but -- here the -- the pretense.
Of one in which the people but people make good decisions but Earl Bennett.
That's what we have and I think that's what people are seeing it reacting Q.
That's why I think what we're going through right now it's going -- were balanced against both parties.
And maybe the vacuum is open question is what -- -- open normal -- -- ended.
-- candidates are gonna come and take advantage of this.
-- years it just say he has to say sitting right at this table we started our online version than call campaign confidential two years ago.
That we were in a pre revolutionary.
Are we now in the actual revolution.
I think we are in the state deliberately throw all we need I think all the its -- -- there who look I'll tell -- I guess there's some other people all -- two.
You know I'll tell you this this exemption.
On health care.
They exemption that that you don't know you know a lot of talk about how similar that I rescued me for the congress and other staff.
I guess subsidized by us the taxpayers.
When the American people don't get it.
I think a little firestorm issue.
But the Republicans were complacent and -- -- -- more raise it now they raise this sort of -- he had.
Although it does do what we are seeing here is that we could have had it real vital -- of whether it's -- -- Whether it was over that whether it was the IRS enforcement.
Of health care what's the public it's dramatically against we saw this little box all the seven feet behind 18%.
The IRS being enforcement agent including two thirds Democrats never hear it straight.
The truth of the matter is a lot of people are going to -- theater -- -- more.
Does Washington wants to work for Washington.
Their roots -- back.
Great Britain and other -- -- -- thing on the point you made a minute ago about.
The health care exemption for the staffers and members of congress.
Did you see this week we didn't use on the show yesterday that these emails surfaced this week.
Where -- he's publicly attacking.
This arrangement for staff speaker Boehner in private was urging that the deal get done.
And Harry Reid went nuts when he saw -- -- -- coming out against the deal publicly because he knew he had the emails.
He called on the power he said this -- I made a deal in private.
But in public he's blasting -- like he had nothing to do it.
That is the idea that people can -- -- John Boehner is speaker is you -- joke.
Didn't look back look just what -- subtle -- -- whatever you see Obama administration at all.
That he won't hornets select committees have been gets a bit her on the men got to -- -- a large majority of the 177.
170 senate Republicans have signed a little I didn't just start the fish are bristling at ten standing you have.
Yeah so look the public overwhelmingly -- That this is -- a -- Haven't been told that -- Hold substantial number of Democrats believe that spears and insist they've got something on him and his play is games and the question is what is -- doing running an -- What is he doing how to -- just -- -- Yes it is also bookie Peter I have it was -- remembers all because we are shut the government out because I must listen to my members.
Of them they should have a committee a -- got to -- We don't have a commit.
You don't realize it was in November of three quarters up his office.
What's going on here and then this I had not seen these emails gone.
And I think they should be a super -- the fact that they've not been a super story.
So you've been watching it's considered that's the way we do business we -- -- Republican one hand we tell them what they wanna be the peasants.
We throw little problems of what they want me here that we go about our our -- Why why is -- no single American leader political -- fools day -- -- -- the outrage.
They could be a sensation overnight all you need is we learned in 91 and ninety.
It is when you have the conditions and these are much worse and -- although being able I think is dissipated -- -- Let me make a point here is -- I think people -- to -- -- In the -- work I've -- they don't know they're they're not as angry they are actually -- something like this deal.
Because they're not sure -- -- anything will happen they have been beaten down on this what they need is one leader and one spark.
You put a leader it sparked a revolution together and that's -- -- would want to and I hope we -- -- all we want.
That would revitalize our politics and restore.
The restore the American people that they -- rightful sovereignty.
Well said senator Ted -- first of -- them the -- part it's almost like someone telling you it's it's.
Dark out and it's the middle of the day and in the sun is bright shot I just can't understand how that.
Mean -- congressional staff that deal and for the of them the way White House and the president doesn't mind boggling to me I just don't even comprehend it.
We were asked yesterday via Twitter about.
This leader you mentioned at this mythical the better saner version -- This is there anyone out there isn't anyone -- of the list serve and -- -- is there somebody out there.
-- that'd -- -- governor -- senate governor hopefully somebody out there.
Are so we -- our community will get up and -- speak for the country.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- Against people the whole class that is fat sassy and arrogant beyond belief and -- himself dealing.
Do you think that no money being huge part of successfully running for office especially at the presidential level.
Do you think that things like social media Twitter FaceBook have reduced the value of yes that.
To some glory those tools exist they are that modern equivalent.
Of the committees -- correspondents.
Very New York American revolution there -- big they are the new way to communicate you don't need as much money by the way.
If somebody really did just that one billion -- one million there wanted to give up his -- You know for the year or something or if you are.
And finally have somebody -- -- it could put some seed money and what he needed to -- -- the country but parity.
The movement and the candidate you don't need a lot of money.
But it probably accurate -- -- a good example now.
Early on they thought.
Obama was this guy right there -- -- Earlier this -- deployment.
Right but early on he was out of the box he was different he -- voted for the Iraq War is totally different obviously black but very.
Very friendly to everybody and he could be be the change agent back.
He raised on line 600.
Million dollars for that -- campaign now why couldn't mr.
or miss that.
In this failure raise 800 million I mean and you know needed anyway.
But Joseph Trippi Joseph Trippi -- see definitely the adventure of this process who -- they've got off horrible.
By empowering people in giving them this -- -- campaign which is what see what Obama campaign admitted they had copy.
Is being campaign -- you know they didn't understand -- but in any event.
This is there since the error this is that the American people will rise to -- You know if you get little chance I believe.
You know what what we will we're seeing here is an honest conversation.
And part of that is the message where -- was -- about social media YouTube and everything else is what.
They can continue all the networks to pretend none of this suggests.
-- communities catches fire in people conceive they are novel -- The -- right.
Watch out then you have to watch out or what is his -- there is one patriots in this -- -- lead a political statement in this country.
This was not a knock.
Stand up and there and it's very normal little -- work.
The person cannot be and not think it's gotta be and Ross -- the great American citizen but as a political candidate he was a bit of enough now.
We -- one comment guys from big event 323.
Folks thinking they are or were in charge of the government is like me thinking I'm in charge of my family instead of my wife.
-- up on.
Well you know what there was -- pride dignity was that it ended we've been eager to threaten -- Very -- very well let me just say that there wasn't time in this country because we have polls where would show -- -- -- -- it's almost like archeology.
Where people didn't believe they -- there.
Speak -- believe that they will be owners must borrow for all of his.
This -- Ortiz Manny you know I have a state and in 92 the look for our the American public was prepared mentally ill person.
Any system designed to keep someone like him from ever taking hope.
And so he decided he had to prove that -- -- little -- But -- and what is wolf for but but his state them was what they galvanized cycle country it was.
You're you know you're the owners -- the countries -- acting like.
That's what we need we need to challenge the American people that we need to take all the political class and by the way.
We need people who will start putting their country before.
They're voter registration card than than ever felt tired of this I don't -- numbers.
We have used this 88% think today the 65%.
Who told Obama and Boehner and all know bombing Syria.
A month ago who said I'd vote against every member congress including my own would you say you've got polls right path that show a higher number -- and that -- -- -- -- -- -- OK so all of that and then the and then the rise of the Tea Party the rise of Occupy Wall Street.
From the -- Tea Party from the right shows this the rest of that's right there that people want something they haven't yet found it they know they don't like what they've got.
And they're fed up with the mr.
Smith needs to ride and will -- here's pat you're -- about -- the word -- used pat that's missing is honesty.
You know if -- honest it doesn't have to be what you wanna hear but if its own mallet and people know honestly when they see it so.
It and love of country -- -- you don't real love of country and honesty indicator you can put this together you know what if there were -- Well wealthy people in this country who cared enough to help find that person and help make that happen it would -- -- wee wee -- we'd be all right all right.
If -- pat we will continue this as we have each week on political insiders saw this coming Sunday at 3:35.
PM on Fox News Channel.
And next Monday here Martin will be producing dog and pat and I will be here on foxnews.com.
We thank you we hope you have a great week I think we know next week will be back talking about the debt ceiling and the government shutdown so until then have a great week.
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