Power Play 10/8/13: Risks in Obama's debt play
Brit Hume weighs in on budget standoff. Plus - ObamaCare's failure to launch and new raids in Africa
Oct 8, 2013
Ron Bonjean, Debbie Dingell, James Joyner
Brit Hume weighs in on budget standoff. Plus - ObamaCare's failure to launch and new raids in Africa
Oct 8, 2013
Ron Bonjean, Debbie Dingell, James Joyner
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We're not -- negotiate under the threat.
A further harm to our economy and middle class families.
We're not gonna negotiate under the threat of a prolonged shut -- until Republicans get a 100% of what they want.
We're not -- negotiate under the threat of economic catastrophe.
That economists and CEOs increasingly warned would result if congress chose to default on America's obligations.
And that is the kind of negotiating position that anybody would like to take unilateral surrender.
By one's rival before going to the table and this is still powered by coming to you the peripatetic powered by coming to you from the NN.
House office building as we wait force a studio home -- nest.
To be prepared for -- and -- high.
But one who always has approach.
Is Brit Hume he is of course the Fox News -- senior political analyst.
And we do not ask mr.
To take the trek across the hill to come over here McCain and I mr.
-- I would have done it.
I know you would have done it you're very game bird but we -- you are -- esteem.
By the Internet could be asked to do such things is that.
All right so the question for.
Big question -- you there is this.
The question for you -- is this.
-- great and you know that we have edited very silly phase and all of this business.
-- the speaker of the house office moments ago put out a statement to say that the president called the speaker.
News not news.
To reiterate the fact that he would not negotiate with them I mean it that's like a prank call you just call somebody up and say hey just reminding -- there's no way I -- to.
They of course there will be a negotiation.
You and I both know that.
That's what the president -- calling for as you've suggested.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- So -- -- and look the important point here is that -- the government shutdown is a weaker proposition for Republicans because it's not popular.
Even though it's only about 17% of the government by some calculations.
People still don't like it they never have like government shutdowns at just the way it works.
The debt ceiling is a different matter politically.
A bigger deal but.
And but it's very unpopular raise the debt ceiling.
And is -- polling shows to do so without some concessions on spending.
Is is highly unpopular as -- the Republicans are standing on for our political ground.
Trying to negotiate something on the debt ceiling and liver and the Democrats and the president gays and look at the scare talk about markets and default and the financial -- we know -- coming to an end and all the rest of so that's where we are I think the president will have to negotiate to get the debt ceiling increase because.
The -- standing on is not as firm as a -- spin -- on the shut it.
Now the Democrats have been -- bring up on this subject of the debt ceiling.
Now for three years essentially we've had some version some iteration of this and default in this and we can't do the other -- so I was.
A little surprised to see the numbers.
Holding so steady about Americans who despite a very aggressive Republican education campaign by the White House and by Democrats in congress.
That Americans were still so adamant -- adamantly against raising the debt ceiling.
The politics of this don't look like they've changed that much from when President Obama voted against it when he was in the senate.
That's and that's true it's it's been remarkably consistent.
And did you know it obviously plays to the to the Republicans.
Desire here to try to get some spending restraint return I suspect Chris what will happen although it's you know.
It's easy to be wrong about these things I suspect what will happen is that the -- would have a a combination of an increase in the debt ceiling of the reopening of the government all coming in one agreement.
And in return for that.
The Republicans will get something on spending restraint how much is really the question him.
And what the nature of it will be there a lot of ways you can do it you know you could do the adjustment.
And the cost of living increase which would lower entitlement spending.
At least some overtime and there's some measures like that that could be in play here in the meantime.
The Republicans continue to get the blame on the on the government being close that the that the president keeps throwing a lifeline.
That crude handling of the national park shut down with one lifeline and -- that picturesque scene of the veterans storming the barricades and all that that was that was.
That was those not good for the president's team to have done it that -- they're still doing and the other thing is of course that he's refusing to talk.
Woods doesn't play very well so that helps the Republicans this the it doesn't get most -- it helps.
And finally of course they've past all these bills to keep parts of the government open provide written directive paid all that and that of those those those measures have gone nowhere in the senate.
Which helps out Republicans have been as well so that the -- the while Republicans are losing and not losing his big.
As they might have in Chris defected to only 70% of the government is closed or thereabouts.
Probably makes them feel more comfortable in letting this -- -- It may be easy to be wrong but he's so seldom is Brit Hume is your friend -- mine Internet thank you for making time for his -- him.
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We'll talk about this the president's health care launch OK it's not been ideal.
Everybody says that but does it actually change anything does it change anything in the current debate over making changes to the law does -- change -- thing about who signs up for it.
People who know how it works or doesn't will be here to tell you -- to correct.
Only -- I can tell you -- because I don't know.
We are taking applications on the web on the phone we'll be giving monthly reports but I can tell you we've had.
Not only -- -- web kids.
Hundreds of thousands of accounts created -- has a -- hundred.
Thousands of people signed up of accounts created which means it then they're gonna go shopping.
And that is when you're not having the best today that is when Jon Stewart -- host on Comedy Central.
Was giving it a tough time to Kathleen Sebelius she -- Nation's health secretary about how many people have signed up for whatever it was almost as tough as Jack lose.
Grilling from Chris Wallace on FOX News Sunday this is power play.
And I need you to -- either of these individuals they are arguably unreliable and I wouldn't want to if even if I could.
-- here with me at the Canon.
Office house office building.
Is Ron bunting who once proud of these holes.
Communicating on behalf of house Republicans and then later class it up on the other side of the capitol complex communicating for senate Republicans.
And a woman whom we would never asked to hook it back over here she spends enough time here we want -- comfortable in studio is Debbie dingle.
She is a Democrat she is believed president and we should point out is its sparrows to the dean of the house Democrat Jon -- -- from Michigan hi -- Hello guys I've -- I'm not with you rather be there.
I hate you say that now but really about two minutes from now when you're sipping a cold bottle of water you will think this is way better than -- and over there with those two hillbillies.
OK so the question.
If that's how we love you do right so the question then yes start with you.
So the administration.
Managed expectations from the rollout of the health -- they compared it to the launch of an iPhone or anything else that they're bound to be glitches etc.
Are there real consequences.
To this problem now and I want to ask in two spheres.
One is are -- problems with this as it relates to getting young healthy people to sign up for this which is what's needed to keep insurance premiums from exploding.
Getting more healthy people in the system -- -- sick people into the system.
But also know as it relates to the current fight over debt deficit spending etc.
happening here on the health.
Well I think he had three different issues there I think to be computer glitches that we're talking about.
Are actually more likely terrifying the older.
Different generation of trying to work through this system I think young people -- used to glitches that doesn't let them terrified them.
-- tetris so that technology issue doesn't.
He's an issue I think for me for young people.
I do think that we got to get parents and others are going to be those that are going to be encouraging the young people into the exchange.
Although there on the -- -- -- and insurance until they're 26 but I think that.
Young people don't always understand why they need insurance and there's gonna have to be I -- education process.
I I knew why I needed insurance -- but they're not you know that I bought it.
I -- -- entire trip for the reason was my dad saying you're gonna get hit by bus and make me sell the house to get you out of the hospital and I said I -- see -- -- happy hour.
And I did -- night I didn't outline terms.
Eating them put money into your pension and neither show.
I tell you what I -- I had a lot of good and strong Debbie I'm not saying -- now we are yet so we gotta encourage people.
But I tell you get out of Washington which is what every last one of -- needs to do -- in this current Nextel standoff.
And hear what people are seeing back there and quite frankly very few of them are there -- a group -- they're -- it but it's not a majority in any way shape or form.
Bitter angry about Obama care and are still seeing repeal it I get out there and it's not tried.
To obamacare they are disgusted with Republicans and Democrats they don't understand -- the government's -- they wanna see it back up operating.
And they're tired of Washington being dysfunctional and.
They have been tired of Washington and -- optional for some time Ron you remember what that was like.
So the question though as.
Inside the narrow game but it Brit Hume was talking about before that we're talking -- now which is and there's -- people out that basically said.
That 42% of Americans think Republicans should abandon their demand that obamacare be altered as a condition.
A fiscal deal.
And for 44% thought that -- 42% thought that the president ought to make change be willing to make changes to his health law in order to get a fiscal deal done.
Do the glitches and -- the concerns about the implementation of the law.
Make it more likely that Republicans will be able to get something even if it's just a fig leaf of change.
In the president's loss that they can walk away and say well we got that.
Well it certainly doesn't help that much is certainly know how I mean especially.
You know win when you're trying to market to market Manger major product -- first week.
We look at apple put out an iPhone.
You now they're iPhone sex and you had this type of -- forget it I mean everybody go back to the locker.
Right but there is no I mean -- I think I guess the point here.
This this is going to be the thing people are gonna sign up for this summer this is not like the iPhone where people are gonna go -- -- galaxy.
From Samsung this is either you didn't either if you don't have health insurance and you wanna government subsidy whether the -- stinks -- -- or -- You're still gonna sign up.
-- yeah no I think I think that because any concessions.
President on obamacare running have been the most.
The most possible one.
Could be repealing the -- provides tax but beyond that offended -- -- to be very hard right now to defund obamacare to make changes in the law.
Or even delay -- and I can see that the rhetoric from Republicans right now they seem to be switching away from the obamacare that are.
And it's more towards the debt ceiling to a larger spending.
You know restrained package I'm hearing I can mess -- -- I -- whole line is floating above us like that's that's that's very at this very moment -- the USA today which likes obamacare in theory.
Did an op Ed Perry had an editorial today that was.
And a blistering.
Diatribe is surprisingly.
Blistering diatribe about the implementation law.
And the take away is this and and their point is basically this.
You had three years it should work better and is their frustration from people who have supported this law.
That it was not ready for prime time and that these things are there giving ammunition to detractors.
Well I think you know that I was surprised -- it the -- level of the op Ed today.
I think -- that I mean look it's not good but I will look at this the other side I don't think you know they say you should have anticipated the demand the you know when Republicans did that Medicare thing that they had 50000 and -- -- -- for 150.
The -- even -- they knew it.
Literally millions and millions of people have tried to access this system at the same time.
Which I say to people need to look at what -- up to me and it's out there for people to have access.
To these kind of health care exchanges and I think that's the issue that people have to look at.
Health -- is a problem in this country people need access to affordable quality health care.
This is a tool for a lot of people in your seat in a marketplace system that there is a demand for that health care.
All right now did you ask -- ask you to run is the last thing.
This is one cliffhanger that we can live without we do not need that this is not.
Downton Abbey we can go for you -- we will take spoilers you guys both know.
How is this in past fiscal current fiscal impacts going -- and starting with you -- it.
I don't think if they had the end game and that's what's got the at all I don't I don't know it's somebody's gonna have to give in about getting after it.
At some point I don't understand why we're not put it clean resolution continuing resolution on the floor of the votes are there.
That's what I would say do get the government running and start talking bad.
Unfortunately I don't think common sense is gonna win.
-- there would be it -- there's got to be a first time for everything.
Will -- nice.
I think and they Republicans in the the president won't work it out the president knows that his legacy would be tarnished if there was a worldwide economic collapse.
People known as we don't necessarily.
-- remember Republicans on new years from now with -- you may remember in the Obama world I -- -- -- -- so to speak.
I think that we'll find a way out they may not be by October 17 and maybe some short term extensions.
You know in order to get a deal it probably by Christmas like like drunk stumbling home from the bar -- Will eventually make it to the end of the year actually I do have one last thing I want to ask you about.
And it it fascinated -- you you guys understand how this works what is the point today of the president calling the speaker.
And the speaker releasing a statement that says the president called him to say nothing.
Was there's actually something that took place in the -- because you see statements like other speaker got a phone call from the president.
Hey what what happened and then it says to create -- to reiterate his refusal to negotiate.
And I thought well that's kind I mean they could just talked about the Redskins -- -- I think it's I think mr.
Gonzales is likely making sure that everyone knows -- president wasn't really talking to them so that the president doesn't use it.
And I'll talk to go to -- to -- daytime running out of his approval like is that what happened every.
Well I think that some Republicans are framing it left I -- I would like to know that there at least touching each other.
Each day we've got to get completely people start talking to -- I think -- is right that this does have to get -- we can't afford.
To look more foolish than we already do in -- -- ball.
It in the world that we -- -- and so -- they've got -- they've got to talk to each other they've got to figure this out so even if there only not saying something to each other every day.
They're at least touching each other and at some point.
This is -- -- it's got to start to moving to something that's gonna find a solution.
Human beings have a harder time staying at stalemate then abstractions.
They -- -- and for excellence is no abstraction to you Internet we thank you -- have a great rest of your day.
-- -- Ron I mean we thank you should also enjoy -- yesterday he should go back there and -- some of the people that used to work for you wouldn't and I just.
-- -- on a couple of doors and I like wake up in Minnesota.
Yeah right I remember -- mr.
bonds -- thirsty there's got to be -- there's got to be Coke zero somewhere thanks Ron thank you the way you Internet -- right.
Foreign policy still exist the world apparently still exists and there still terrorists and it or maybe the few fewer terrorists.
What is going on with the US strategy -- -- be killing them.
With flying robot airplanes or capturing them with cool ninja like seals.
We will explain it all to you in a way that does not sound so silly when we come back so stick around.
Rounded general -- -- XMQ nine reaper.
Formerly known to its friends and relatives as the predator B.
MQ nine in the first hunter killer UAV designed for long endurance high altitude surveillance and lethal targeting and -- looks kind of sad.
Because it's not getting to kill as many terrorists now and we're not flying as many of those drone missions around.
This is power play welcome back so the United States did something very cool.
Which was the delta force.
And Navy SEALs carried out twin strikes.
Against Islamist insurgents one was snatching up a fellow who's been wanted for involvement in terror strikes.
Stretching back to 1998 and in Libya and another was a raid that didn't exactly go according to plan but probably was none too fun.
For the members -- -- from Bob.
They -- on the Horn of Africa so hope.
What is going on are we seeing a change in policy the person who is tracking these things is James Joyner he is of course the editor in chief.
But outside the beltway of course he is also a professor is also a former field officer in the United States are -- Doctor.
We are well so what is happening here.
Are we seeing an actual ship because we were just kill in the -- out of these guys with drone strikes for most of the last five years.
And not detaining people now we're trying to capture detain people.
Yeah it is an -- extra.
-- -- -- I guess if something's got to work eventually -- -- -- we've we've been killing these people left and right with no real old degradation.
Capability because -- just in new guy comes along.
So we can we haven't had -- here -- -- and a long time but we've certainly had just proliferation of these various.
You know al-Qaeda sort of sub branded -- out -- out -- Bob being the latest one that we're doing this are coming to prominence.
So yeah I think we're trying to get the edited to accept that we can that we can do it I think it just depends on the operational circumstances.
I think it makes sense to try to capture the people to try to gather.
You'll whatever intelligence you can you can get from interrogating them and you know when -- in -- when you can't do it did make sense to.
-- -- to -- amusing drones are ways and better less dangerous for our personnel somebody does this situation we're dependent as much as anything else.
OK so what happens.
What you get and now the the Fella Al Libby that they tuck and Libya appropriately.
Yeah that they've got him now.
They he ended up on he's in the brig somewhere on a navy ship I guess yes but is it headed at some point two civilian courts in the United States.
We're trying to get people out of one -- or the administration trying to get people out of Guantanamo.
Guantanamo not in.
I've lost the audio -- That are now.
Here I'm back now the question is what do we do with these guys now that we've -- that I just gonna ride around.
In the in the.
Hold of the ship forever.
A look at -- not I have I mean yeah I would imagine that the person you're doing is trying to extract whatever until the -- together you know so they're they're trying to you get them -- liked him before -- got a chance to to talk to anybody else.
I'm presumably else wolf wolf wolf triumph always done it in the past that's that's what we've typically done -- with these people is that if you try to.
In the Guantanamo angle is usually for the people that we don't really know what else to do with and they.
You know there's not really enough evidence of that -- triumph Bernie saying.
And there's nowhere else to put up really -- it and this type of war that we're fighting.
But yet we we've we've historically tried to.
They have put these people on trial and you know bring to justice of the work through through the criminal justice system ensemble continue to do that -- at the camp.
Now as -- judgment the growth.
Proliferation of groups -- out about and other sort of -- team or a -- -- dated al-Qaeda.
As we talk about that.
-- there -- it it is concerning for Americans to see these groups springing up in places like Somalia where we'd.
Fought once before.
Is this the future of this conflict is this how this goes is that it's going to be whack a mole with Islamist militants around the globe.
I think silly is that it's the future but it's also the pastor you're really you know.
You know as a branded organization is a fairly new thing and prior to.
Yeah Osama narrow end -- -- here again getting the guys together.
They they were basically all of these disparate groups out there are mostly internally focused -- that's what you've -- now these are mostly.
Her back to what they were in the early and mid ninety's you know Islamist groups that -- or.
You're aiming at the domestic political situation in various countries in the and a region and do against you.
Did domestic leaders who were either in effect two western oriented.
Do it otherwise insufficiently.
You islamists -- for the taste the fanatics.
And they're mostly internally focused on and I think they're less dangerous to United States then he.
You know al-Qaeda you know of you know the 9/11 -- and and and and before that doctor because they're harder to deal well.
Doctor -- you are not hard to deal with your wonderful -- with him and wish we had more time thank you for sharing a little viewers with us have a great day -- did.
Okay Internet that's -- -- my column that I wrote for you like I do on every Tuesday and Thursday.
Or at least tried to I will see you tonight in the 9 PM eastern hour on the Kelly file you'll enjoy that I promise.
The show is good.
And now as we like to do every day wherever we are a work from our French -- What Boehner has to do -- to articulate.
A list of specific demands precisely because.
They have been shifting their demands.
Every twelve hours but he can't -- neighborhood has served well if he's gonna have to come up with something stronger than I wanna have a talk with the president.
Because you've got a president arguing what looks like on principle.
And if you what you are just one when I haven't talked to looks weak and indecisive unless Republicans can agree they're gonna lose confidence.
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