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The president said today it was if there's unconditional surrender by Republicans he'll sit down talk to.
That's not the way our government works.
That was house speaker John Boehner he was crappy.
-- -- little where the team that the track is starting to move.
Where the house speaker as the president opens with the work.
Inch by millimeter by inch to the possibility of negotiations.
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I know -- thriving because Susan ratio is with us that is always a good sign a thriving Susan retail is the chief congressional correspondent.
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But you are these Susan appreciate.
We're close you're right we're getting closer to the talks that eventually take place.
-- look at it this way.
Complete and total grip gridlock they've moved -- quarter minutes and maybe that's progress and sometimes.
Just a tiny bit of movement can open the door further right it probably isn't where we are now is that it never seems to lead to something long -- -- this is all about let's stop.
-- potential implosion.
Let's not solve the problem so that this doesn't happen over and over again right and that's because neither side.
There's so far apart philosophically.
On spending cuts on the debt.
On health care -- right.
Think that the ideological -- -- hear it right it's canyon it's the Grand Canyon that is close -- -- transcribe it and it.
In the -- get then you can even take -- picture right don't.
I don't think you try to take a picture one of those you'll hear a bigger yeah.
So -- that this part this part of the administration.
Of this -- Has become an issue.
Back and forth last night I talked about it last night on the Kelly -- with meg and Kelly which that -- is great.
-- -- -- By the politics of this are -- The expectation among Democrats was pretty.
Clearly there where we were headed was in 9596.
Where Americans at these stupid Republicans and shut down the government and as a result my favorite items in the federal expenditures are not occurring.
Republicans with this strategy of sort of desperately lobbying.
Bill after bill that the administration we know now that in the 2 o'clock hour today we're expecting to see a vote on the bill that would.
Expressly Republicans say they previously funded death benefits for those killed in action.
In the war in Afghanistan but now they will be.
Explicitly and expressly.
This create some pressure for not only house Democrats but senate Democrat.
Think it has created pressure and I think you see -- in the polling everyone is saying that the Republicans are bearing the -- in these polls.
They're not that far apart you've got Republicans in the seventies he got Democrats -- sixties you've got overall congressional approval rating 5%.
Everyone is getting looking ugly here so I think the president is ultimately -- because he knows that he'll be blamed the economy tanks.
So he's saying what is all this headed right now we get the blame game going we got the bills flying back and forth and don't taking -- and -- I think it all will focus on one thing which is what the -- what is -- stock market.
The stock market keep dropping by big amounts every single day not -- these guys faster than anything anything.
So we keep dropping and you'll see dealing you know -- also sees same deal the president.
This is about the president and John Boehner the Senate's on the sideline -- -- -- -- -- -- just yeah.
I'm happy to be on the side.
Having to -- on the sideline where they are not moving on the specific pieces of legislation that are outraged Americans.
I saw Harry Reid yesterday -- or maybe it was this morning go to the senate and say this is outrageous that the veterans families aren't being.
Paid these benefits and I thought.
But you could do that's political theater what I know what it is so is it now because they're -- enjoying not having this having this waiting.
Let's tell our viewers get past political theater here right going on behind that curtain and behind that curtain is everybody watching the stock stock market -- economy.
And I'm telling you watched watched -- numbers.
Things start to look darker and darker.
People will move and and that includes the president and containing -- and sitting down -- coming up with something even if it's a short term.
Deal which is not really getting us a solution in the long term.
They want to stop that an impending crisis and everyone's focused on the debt ceiling.
Got some big concern that economists in the markets that's where this fight is going to debt ceiling stock market everybody watches that will help.
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Liberals are getting concerned about the very thing that Susan just described at what point will the president feel the pressure.
And it will become too great either from public outcry over -- shut down and consequences there.
Or when markets start to go from anxious to apoplectic.
At what point does the president feel liberals say it's time to jump the debt cliff once and for all punish Republicans for their intransigence and show the American people the score.
Is that really gonna happen.
Probably not but it the desire itself may have some interest think political facts.
We'll talk about that when we come back -- stick around.
Were willing to.
Pass at least a short term budget that opens up the government at current funding levels.
It doesn't even address the harm that's been done.
Because the sequestration.
That was President Obama.
Kicking well cracking well leaning on -- nudging may -- the door on negotiations with Republicans.
By talking about the possibility of a short term short term short term emergency funding resolution.
To do that and raise the debt ceiling so they could have a six straight week discussion about how to fund the government how to deal with the debt ceiling and had to do that stuff.
This is power -- now.
That's good news if you are a centrist moderate kind of person looking for as everybody always claims to be a deal that is good for everybody.
They lie but that's what everybody always is supposed to -- if however you are part of the president's political base.
Part of war an intellectual on the left in America that was really bad news that major really bad you know why.
Because that's the president -- eventually we're going to do something like this sequestration or like the super committee that resulted in.
More cuts and the negotiation eventually on the -- -- So what about that.
It's not gonna happen.
Right but sometimes the thing in the process of things not happening.
Actual things occur actual events occur.
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Our Richard Fowler he is the host of the aptly named Richard -- show on we act radio which Washington DC you can listen to -- WP WC.
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And Daniel Garza is this your third trip to power play this your third power -- -- -- is considered getting to be I would almost describe you as a regular -- but -- -- as much as much as anything as regular on how to fly but you -- of the -- great initiative in the -- -- I -- every time I try a little more -- and every time out and get our people today it was good to.
I initiative you are of the conservative flavor.
You are former telecast for telemundo that is you news -- -- resiliency -- -- -- getting it meant that bad now just a minute I gotta -- and I think if you look I gave you a perfect -- don't know.
What are stuff and that's what you are all right so here's the thing Richard.
Not -- Shriver who is a Smart.
Sort of like if Ezra Klein is a little too mainstream for you -- -- is as big brain on the left he writes -- the new republic about economic policy.
He's somebody I've read for years I was taken aback.
But what he said and did that website yesterday which was or maybe it was early today but yes there early today -- said now.
Let the debt ceiling boast do it because if you don't do it now you continue negotiating with Republicans.
And bring it on now and I thought that's pretty intense and then I read Ruth Marcus of the Washington Post -- she said yeah.
Let's just blow this thing up don't negotiate and I thought.
That's pretty scary like I'm getting a little scary scared.
We'll -- the president's press conference yesterday with a clear indication that we cannot look we cannot go -- what we can't you know.
Make our -- as the Boston just trying to work that way and I think you look at a lot of there's a lot of other I'll pop it up there were born in New York -- couple days ago and indicated.
It's like playing the -- head I think Warren -- that the playing with a nuclear weapon when -- -- -- -- -- defaults are different people in this in this body in this building say let's default and that's agreed ideal and that just blows my mind and be on the fact that.
The impacts of an -- on on the nebulous level you're talking about global markets and play like -- -- When you default on -- debt interest rates at the people at home mortgages.
Rent payments all those things gets inflated really effective and go -- we're stuck with an impact of the shut down already happening in people's homes and people's communities.
No one has said that we should not pay our obligation what Republicans are saying is that well maybe we have to cut federal spending.
Rand Paul -- proxies that basically -- -- -- -- talking about default what we're talking about is we'll have to just slash until we get there.
But even that -- -- rattle credit markets at center.
I want before -- good evening again I have to -- I have to get to the actual answer having done the preamble that we have to get to the actual answer.
Liberals are concerned that the president is -- -- negotiate.
What I don't.
It was I don't think that that the -- Republicans and couldn't negotiate I think -- -- outlooks crises of the impotence in the very strong position.
Wanted to get this government reopened against a good the American -- negotiate city do a short term deal I think you're sure to deal that is -- clean the yard release that it had -- -- Danielle.
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Daniel the John Boehner I was looking at John Boehner yesterday and I'm like looking at him and he's like I'm so bad and it's like thank god thank god like you could see behind his face like the president has finally.
He can now.
A little bit of what they've been putting out which is.
We're not gonna be able to solve this all right now let's get us all out of jail a little bit and get a few weeks of borrowing authority here won't get the Social Security checks out.
And move onto the next site.
I look I think that's reasonable -- and extreme position for one side of the -- a Capitol Hill to say let's talk let's negotiate.
You know it's also I think -- even the president -- things that somehow the Republican Party is going to.
Not represent their constituency and drive their interest in congress and just.
You know seek to whatever the president wants this to happen to the table and -- not something that hasn't been done before in the past this is this is Washington might compromise.
We -- Joseph Manchin that's at that's what did -- to the Democrat said.
The problem for -- red team though is it's very clear.
Which is John Boehner is trying to throw.
A penny through the eye of the needle from a thousand yards.
And he's got to make sure that the that he is good that he's got enough political cover.
That that it's bad enough and tight enough that the conservative members of his conference are gonna say.
Well we're not really going to be able to get obamacare because it won't take long for the people who work in this office buildings look I think did you go to the -- but it won't take them all right now they were they were scared yesterday right.
Tomorrow they'll say we're winning let's go I think the Republicans have already moved from the position there aren't they are now calling to.
Just at least postpone their individual mandate for a year.
And tell congress look whatever exemption you gave yourself to give to the rest of -- -- Well I don't think -- was I think Obama I honestly think that it -- -- power -- -- -- get let's get real pilots didn't realize the fraudulent.
-- I think the Republican overplayed their hand leaps and bounds.
The Ted -- holidays -- yes right and I think because that I can go -- completely off the table for Republicans and I didn't get anything on Obama did did we saw today we look at the account from today it shows that if but -- -- -- hit the floor.
Minus the have to rule it would -- And because it because and they cut and how that this -- -- was that.
Because and they whipped down there wasn't right now with no perspective 200 we'll keep all you needed about what seventeen Republicans public you get -- brother and I think you look at -- -- the -- all the Republicans and moderate districts that all of the polling behavioral says that nobody likes to raise the debt ceiling and the president has been on a years long now a five year long or four year long now crusade to say.
The debt ceiling is not borrowing we have to raise the debt ceiling quit being such a bunch of -- about this now go I find it ironic that it was President Obama actually said we heavy debt problem any leadership calling it Indy explaining why he was voted no against it -- -- -- really senator we will point out though.
He was sorry he said that he said in an interview in 2011.
When it was like why did you say that it was like I was kind of hypocritical right I was being heinous and I'm sorry.
-- anything hypocrisy going on both -- -- you that you have got to get good at a ridiculous yeah that's ever happened about yeah.
He would consider doing what conservatives and this is -- -- Don't -- government -- things before we dealt with a seventeen times in the past.
This is a lot different usually we're talking about a number attacks number of budget number a cut and we're now we're talking about a piece of a law that -- party.
Way to look at a negotiated every race is everybody in agreement I didn't we have got to negotiate -- the right we'll have the thing we'll have to see that -- he's got to negotiate reasonable thing to do but there's no negotiating a thank you guys are gracious wonderful -- whatever is on your -- -- and -- -- -- for your fourth visit we expect something less weird.
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Then head of the Republican Study Committee those -- the conservative.
Conservatives in the House of Representatives will be here and he will pass judgment on these wild eyed speculation is that we have been engaging here what conservatives really go for.
In a budget deal he'll tell us when we come back -- stick around.
On on purpose.
In in your face.
Middle finger -- as as you said so so eloquently to the military families.
That was Duncan Hunter he's a Republican congressman from California he was on the Kelly file with -- Megyn Kelly.
Talking about a decision at the Pentagon not to find.
Death benefits for the families of soldiers sailors airmen and Marines killed in action.
That includes five Americans killed in the Afghan war over the weekend this is power play.
And welcome back.
Today at 2 o'clock in the afternoon eastern time there's going to be a vote in the house with an explicit resolution.
That calls on the administration on that somebody I bet.
That's going to be gay vote and that is Steve's -- he is a Republican he is -- congressman is the head of the Republican Study Committee which is the policy group.
Conservatives inside the Republican conference of how many members 175.
A fairly large number.
And that you are welcome -- good to have you back congressman Marion back.
So you're gonna be voting for that today.
And it's a shame that we have to bring legislation.
To further clarify something that we actually passed a week ago.
To say that all military troops should be paid.
But also supports services like payments to families that was included in the language that we passed in a bipartisan way last week I think it's disgraceful that commander in chief.
What actually try to use families of fallen military heroes as pawns in these political games do you think it was -- you think this was it intentional from the White House.
Well you can't have a decision like this made by some bureaucrat when the law actually -- getting bipartisan bill that passed the house and senate.
Even during the shutdown -- our military troops should be paid.
In their support service payments and so clearly with the intent of congress that he's kind of payments move forward even during the shut down.
And so forth but the president to allow somebody at the Pentagon and make this kind of decision had to be punitive decision -- -- unfortunate we've seen a lot of -- decisions like this.
Including actually hiring guards to keep World War II veterans and the World War II memorial which is an open air memorial these decisions coming on the White House nobody else could make.
He's kind of mean spirited decisions.
Now around the country the -- of what's open and what's close and how -- shut -- being administered.
Has gone back and forth.
This has give then the red team.
A chance to at least rest your defense for a minute and get back on offense and dealing with the president and and talking instead about.
The funding the health care or things like that you're able to talk about what he's doing -- terms of administering the shut down.
But time's running out we were getting close to the seventeenth when the administration says the debt ceiling has to be left it.
-- you know I mean that's what we continue to pass bills out of the house to to address those areas of funding where there's agreement clearly there's some areas will be disagree.
And -- brought to supplement this ought to be negotiating over those and the president still wants to use inflammatory rhetoric and go out campaigning.
He needs to be here in Washington meeting with leaders in negotiating the differences.
But we've got the debt ceiling coming up as well and look any kind of reforms we've gotten on budget policy over the years and I'm not only for president.
Obama going back to President Reagan but those kind of agreement to reports have come through debt ceiling negotiations and so for the president -- suggest that.
He should just get an increase in the credit card limit and continue to go on spending money and racking up even more debt that's ludicrous it's something the president himself.
As a senator said would be bad policy necessarily you and I've talked about before.
And something that has been mentioned here before.
Is the possibility of a very short term increase in the debt limit and we're talking here in days -- just a couple weeks.
And a very short term extension of -- full federal funding.
In exchange for.
Knowing that there is a framework for negotiation.
The president -- the house yesterday passed legislation that would create.
It's called the super duper committee that this would like it doubles secret probation nobody -- super -- had double secret probation.
Budget Committee that would -- use that would.
Beef from the senate and the house beat by a bipartisan bicameral to hammer something -- you guys have passed that the president.
In between calling you an arsonist.
Did say that he was open to something like that is that where we're -- -- and again it's it's hard to see the sincerity when the president uses inflammatory words like that.
And he won't even sit room to negotiate but in the meantime we're gonna continue doing our work you know I'll vote -- Paul Ryan who's really.
They're doing great work in putting together a long term deal.
Ought to have a debt ceiling increase that actually puts reforms in place so that we didn't get on a path to a balanced budget so we don't have to keep racking up more debt.
The president was saying that he opposes any kind of reforms again.
He lets us as a US senator.
He actually hold -- responsible and unpatriotic to raise the debt ceiling without any kind of reforms and so -- have to be reforms tied to get to an increase.
That actually -- our economy moving again.
We cannot get a long term deal by next week and I would support doing something in the short term that again still address the spending problems.
And why not include language that would also say.
All members of congress have to comply with the law as it relates to obamacare to convene a special exemption so we'll be -- so.
-- -- what we've been talking about in your train yard.
Would be that -- have at the front -- -- have the engine all of it would be.
A committee or super committee or whatever actual some actual cuts and spending right subsequent to.
The amount that the deficit would be listed a casino rules one for watching our dollar payroll right now while also may -- saying let's take deep -- off the off the table as an option.
Completely full faith and credit -- Right ensures that we can't fault all the president's trying and that is why this is what we talk about the sequencing of obligations that when the bills come -- what we get us in person.
Pat Toomey the Republican from Pennsylvania in the senate has put has had legislation around like this for years on the Cleveland -- I don't California's lead the house -- through different bills by the way.
Just in the last few months to take people off the table is an option the president -- threaten -- veto those bills.
While he goes out there threatening default it's irresponsible and dangerous for president.
To threaten default democratic house Democrats -- the White House today to talk until one of the things that the -- that is to be nice if we could stop.
Voting against things like benefits for war widows and that may come up while they're there.
But it is expected that you all will be invited to the White House pretty soon.
And then you win you're your fellow Republicans will be at the White House -- the president who take that as an encouraging sign.
But it is a missile that should have happened weeks ago the president should have exhibited leadership and sitting down talking with -- -- been open to talking.
Four weeks we'll be happy to talk with president.
But we have this year's negotiations over differences you know the president loves talking about the fact that he won the election.
Think he did but the house Republicans also won election to the voters -- they wanted to divided government they want Republicans run in the house Democrats run in the senate the White House.
-- that means we're gonna have big differences.
We have to negotiate to get those resolved -- god he's.
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He is a Republican he's definitely conservative and he is definitely from Louisiana.
Okay Internet we have to go that's all the time that we have today but it's -- excellent fun I'd say we will be back tomorrow.
Don't know where will be but it will be great where we are because that's what we do and now as we like to do every day we normally do with the word from our French -- He can afford to be remembered as the first president who.
Or allowed you know a condition which can happen so I think what he did what we just heard in that -- but was he pointed.
To an exit ramp for for for the speaker.
He basically says well I said I won't negotiate -- -- debt -- is hanging over us so you give me.
A three week extension.