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We'll get some more scoop from the off the record who knows.
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Well and I think the real the real reason he did this has been using you know after speaking with house run me.
Figured it was OK to talk to me.
Messages online I should be -- -- -- why did you save that for online I have no idea.
Because -- if I mean that the check was pretty funny check was okay but people are gonna believe you.
It was after he had a better record right John McPherson Charles back -- you know listen we we did the first panel on the death benefits to families of the fallen soldiers.
There was -- -- -- change at the White House between our chief White House correspondent Ed Henry and the white house Press Secretary Jay Carney.
And the -- give and take was about when did the president know.
This act did not cover.
This funding for the death gratuity and fortunately it's called that.
And when did -- know is a problem because now he said.
While just take what's.
Specifically that the military get.
I don't know specifically I can tell you that.
He was very to serve and he asked for.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- and you're trying to make a partisan issue out of it but these nice try but that's OK I won't tell simple fact when the president were -- trying to say I'm saying how much he wants to move quickly key.
Those who -- -- to find a solution and we expect -- solution today.
OK we never got the win and they actually went on for about three minutes we cut it down thirty seconds there.
Battled back and forth -- and it was just weird and can think.
Yeah but does this sort of history of this and not answering basic questions about where the president is one.
Important things are happening I don't know why.
It can't be answered it's because honestly that the president found out yesterday -- for our president out.
It's not really that indicting that that happened because his move pretty quickly to try to rectify this situation so I don't know why they can't just -- basic question.
We don't know if he's -- -- -- we know -- move quickly rectified after became a publicity problem form if he actually knew that this was going to be part of the deal on September 27.
And didn't mind it happening until it became a that this is gonna happen.
And we said that this could happen but Republicans on the hill say when they pass this act the pay our military act.
-- believe that that covered.
Now if the White House knew that it didn't.
Number of days ago.
Why is it today that there's such action read any of the year and to give a parallel one right win this story about World War II memorial broke.
There were a lot of Democrats defending the ministries as an -- come -- there's no way.
This administration is actually this action goes to the White House and actually ordering that that the World War II vets are being locked out here what the story went on and on and now we know that.
That's -- fact the policy is there -- -- you know pretty soon they're going to be concrete berms and and barbed wire around this thing and German soldiers in German shoulders until boxes you know getting more -- the World War II vets say it because they can just simply want to did not.
People access to this thing because it's part of their policy which again the president admitted this week it's no longer my partisan interpretation.
He said at point blank.
-- But that of course explains whether senator will not consider any of -- videos of alleviate all of these scandal.
Well I wanna say there is -- Cayman Islands attack account it's close yeah.
And -- you tell us.
-- I I do think that whenever there's been a choice it's clear either it's a direct order or anybody in the bureaucracy knows.
If you want to be on the right side of your political boss.
You act tough do you make sure that people are punished this really is the you know the regulatory state being shown up and they don't like it.
Look we don't run into this at the Department of Motor Vehicles you know he'd be coming with a wobbly signature you waited six hours and I think -- -- to come back to -- happens to everybody.
-- but it's pretty you have to be pretty cynical right of of an administration.
To believe that.
Cutting the benefits for families trying to -- is -- want to -- -- -- coffins coming home from overseas.
You have to get to a place that's pretty but that are right.
I you know in speculating because we really don't know who gave the order for what I'm not what it's such an outraged it.
I'm willing to believe it might have been.
Some over eager bureaucrat who thought I got to protect myself and not allow it whereas on the closing of the memorial which is completely idiotic.
And that's not somebody I look I would imagine.
Within mission originated -- and want to increase -- -- and we saw on the sequestered.
I was scared people about all this stuff and -- said teachers you know lose their jobs and none of them did.
From remember Arnie Duncan brought out some numbers it was not true.
That they clearly want to punish people who meaning.
The people and thus politically the Republicans.
As the one who are the bogey -- here and that's a strategy but on an individual decision.
You know you can only speculate especially -- this completely.
You know I'm feeling and cold hearted is the one about the death that I.
I -- plain Jane writes well we're really cynical bred and fed up.
And TM lower -- who cares who gave the orders the fish stinks from the top.
Larry and Indiana Indiana looks like a Lynn ski at the national level.
Obviously people are upset to conservatives specifically Pearson.
There does seem to be this this thing that is happening about no negotiation.
That doesn't seem to be working for the president and Democrats and seems.
Even though the Gallup polls and I think we happen.
The latest Gallup poll do you have those.
As a party.
Look 28% that's historically -- us just ten points lower than -- -- marijuana is on I'm on about Sam said the president spent a lot of time.
At that news conference.
Saying how he loves to talk in negotiating nobody can say that he doesn't like to negotiate but.
And it seemed like that talking point was really sticking.
In their career.
Yeah I have to say -- see this as being much more harmful to the Republicans and the Democrats and even enough hole when you have them swinging ten points that he -- in one month the Democrats were down four points.
So and in their overwhelming Americans are overwhelmingly blaming Republicans for -- so.
What ever hit the president's taking on the no negotiating I don't think it really it compares to what they hit the Republicans are taking also.
That -- It it -- on the debt ceiling I don't think that was a strong position to take and I honestly don't understand why he took it because he clearly has negotiated over the debt ceiling before so it doesn't quite make cents.
It's a very strong position on the shut down considering.
That they weren't really trying to negotiate they were really just saying we're gonna define obamacare -- -- going back to the beginning you know and then it's been a series of things that.
I also don't consider.
Let's delay Obama care for a year and negotiations and negotiations suggest that your offering something in the person's gonna say something back and there's going to be some sort of agreement.
That that's not even a starting point and everybody knows that so.
I think if Republicans are believing their winning mess they're in denial.
And I you know not I'm not saying that this is some slam dunk for the Democrats is just between the two I think this is -- Karen Connecticut claims -- -- -- people.
Obama approval rating at 37%.
And I don't know -- yeah.
Yeah this regulars have -- sanity check and get so I mean obviously that's not exactly I think I.
That twelve point -- but that -- but I wouldn't -- in this facility and the shots and I think Obama has a lot of other problems I had on the -- of the largest -- I don't.
Well but I don't think what I thought we -- general yeah I mean there's a lot of it is going on and I think the president because people are unhappy about -- -- about seeing the president has an extremely strong political position in sync on this.
They are blaming.
When -- asked who do you blame for the shut down it's the Republicans give -- an initial question I know.
I largely agree -- that I think there's one problem with that any -- in that.
Also just on the wanna let -- if people they had his ability to run the federal government that 21%.
I think it did you hear -- all time the comparisons between Obama and the Republicans as if these are apples and apples and the problem is.
Is that you know sort of like everybody in America says the public schools stink but they like their own public school everyone says congress thinks -- they like their own congressman.
I don't know that these approval -- -- disapproves of the Republican Party are reflected in people support of their own congressman and and that's an important thing because.
The Republicans is this amorphous thing going forward Obama is a singular personality and he's as unpopular it isn't tied -- Boehner.
So you personality personality they're -- And -- had an unpopular president it creates huge problems for vote for the party in power going forward.
Wonder is what -- problems with such rough shape in 2008 was the unpopularity not a.
Republicans -- of George W.
Bush but if you said incompetence.
You probably get also very -- trading on either party and because people are frankly every place we talked to outside of the beltway are saying.
This places ridiculous are the one people the one group who are benefiting from this enormously a Republican governors Chris Christie Scott Walker had -- Washington Post.
Editorial today and profit.
Cares considerably during.
I thought I was a psychiatrist on this.
So -- -- but -- about Charles I want -- -- -- this off the record because this is huge news media to let you off the -- which I'm.
Why don't people who say Charles why.
If you knew it was going to be off the record and you couldn't talk about what you learn there why do what do what is your answer to that I -- you talk that a little bit on the show about it.
For the same reason that if any senator.
Or any congressmen of either party.
Caused me on the phone.
And says I want to speak off the record.
I will listen I'm not a reporter who'd do you know who goes and -- people.
Who writes it -- that a lot of people do that that's a great service called journalist I'd write a column.
I want to understand the people I'm writing about I try to interpret what I see and what I hear and to give a judgment.
I used to be a psychiatrist if you can -- put somebody for an hour to.
And you get a sense of how they react how they think then you have an important insight when you write a genuine guessing.
Of course I would accept an invitation to the president would make the same way I would answer a phone call from anybody left or right democratic -- Republican.
It's a basic function of what you do.
I mean I say this asking this question is -- received a lot of emails about it and tweets about it.
But I've been good a time of all of the records with this present the previous president and a lot of senators and congressman.
He is -- town however -- that likes the off the record and not necessarily the.
On yeah knocked him off to Arkansas honestly and I I I don't know why the president can't speak it couldn't have spoken to them on the record that he.
He's the prime reason insists -- saying this they have the right off when -- and so it's a feeling that more pet is in this is way to control that I mean I was the president really thought and I just can't believe he's as clueless as this he really thought he was and somehow win over Charles and George well known and suddenly thinking Jesus amaze -- terrific game and I you know I mean so I -- and feel like.
It's very frustrating when you get -- -- -- lot of stuff and then you have it informing yourself can you can't share it you know but that that's how I feel about it and I went when I'm still want him -- off America's situations and it's and the Obama administration is the worst I think of any administration in terms of just.
On background off the record pre -- quotes just controlling everything so yeah.
Almost more frustrating than that -- our last question on this own militia -- Not getting specific.
Right but did you gets.
Insight that you can share on -- 30000 foot level.
-- not that I can share but inside that I can use in thinking through.
Why he's doing what he's doing exactly the way I mean to use an analogy of power in -- and I had somebody talk to me.
For an hour that's also off the record you know you know I'd rather.
Talk about patience but it's extremely helpful in trying to understand them so yes I'm glad I went and I think I.
I have some inside and how he's acting in line and you -- to come -- right.
On Friday that I think that will be sort of in the background but it's not as if I'm somebody whose job it is -- who does well reporting what the president has senator away you know the -- -- the in the administration has announced now and I don't illicit.
Information I try to analyze information on resolution.
But this is extremely helpful and as I say if -- -- -- call from -- or from.
-- root for Ryan and I would talk off the record.
I prefer to talk off the record Kazaa a magician and how they think and then I use what's on the public record.
As a way of explaining how I deduce what I think is going on.
There's -- -- along Zocor and orange.
And measures we had about costs and there and I'm I'm Rich Lowry was invited but he couldn't make it somehow mine.
Invited metadata magnet.
And there's you know.
I'm not returning I know Obama uses jet I remind your powers on Charles on this -- this -- endorsement of them on a third term just don't close the hole Walter Mondale speechwriters could have played this.
He put on the heart strings that it's like that green -- -- in them.
In the Manchurian candidate and they would they turned over the card that releases me from the third.
You've been activated -- been.
Watch out -- match.
-- this can be spliced together okay heinous you too good.
There's just -- stuff after that as soon as possible if you're gonna info wars thriving what we hear kind of runs on the of those loose stuff underneath.
This is just being tired -- alert -- -- yeah.
Peachy girl says this present administration is so secretive -- Mankins should maintain control over everything.
Are they control in this message -- are they doing.
Are they winning the message war on this whole thing.
You know look I think everybody I think Houston's right -- -- -- works.
But the Democrats are losing as well and six months from now the bad odor that's branding Republicans I think dissipates but the bad -- that's surrounding -- -- May not because it is when you form opinions about specific personalities it's different than when you form opinions about parties.
And particularly going forward and light sweet sixteen when you have guys who weren't part of this -- But the Chris Christie your Scott Walker they come and they say I'm not part of any of that that as a strategy -- Bill Clinton uses strategy George W.
Bush used that strategy that.
But even Barack Obama -- I'm not part of the system.
He's the guy running the system when people hate the system they're -- -- blame the guy running it so I think it's still bad.
For Obama speaking about transparency -- from this whole question about how many people signed up.
Room for obamacare is really unbelievable we are now on -- about fourth day.
Of asking the question even Jon Stewart The Daily Show -- -- civilians and there is no answer and yet you have anecdotally -- across the country.
You know the state saying they they really haven't -- them and people of at all.
But if people are having difficulty getting on the website and I doubt very many people have signed up I tried to get on and I have been -- -- -- -- opponent of the people who try to get on it so.
I assume they're not releasing because the numbers are probably pretty paltry because.
You can't get on the website rape case you know I don't I still in addition transparent and and and -- the numbers but.
And I can understand also why they will be holding them back if they're not -- So for all of the back and forth about how crazy these Tea Party Republicans are to call for at first.
Obamacare isn't this.
That moment that people go you -- maybe we should -- I -- I just associate fellow at becoming a website not work properly is inexcusable and -- hard to understand in the -- But I don't think it means that Obama -- the policy is necessarily not going to work.
You know that also the technical difficulties announce -- the most popular programs in existence so.
I I don't think -- I'd like to see what happens once they get this working and people can get on an actually try to by the.
You know this is a campaign that ran so effectively remove social media and computers and had everything that people have -- pads of polling places checking people offer voting.
And that all worked great gap edit it and it it.
And our reporting -- are very good explainer on the technical problems and it's not it's not a volume issue.
The web site architecture -- it was designed so poorly you get the sense that the Obama administration.
Drafted the finance web designers computer programmers the Amish community and often.
How can -- up here.
-- -- to their music -- NBA if it easily the biggest IT disaster in American history -- -- and so isn't that something what are particularly if not to the liking it.
We have a government that is telling you it is my lawn you must buy a product that the government cannot managed to -- -- And pretty big deal and we don't have -- much of January -- I'm not -- -- in -- way.
-- -- whole site and start over gas.
I get like a hero yes billions of dollars being spent on PR in commercials and and use rallies and people sign up go to the colleges and blah blah blah and they all -- on.
And there's like.
While wanna obviously have access to the -- great technological people they have rolled his will will be able that level you know level Obama and they could have brought an -- I don't understand how this happened.
I I guess I didn't mean to Reuters his -- has something to do with the fact that they ask for your information when you.
But most most browsing web sites you can is going browse but you have to write all this information up front and that's what -- Anderson.
I think -- glitches -- which is like the captain of the Titanic saying we have a -- off the start of the battle I mean it's not it's not glitches it's something different than to which any cap and program any web -- did a huge PR launch.
And -- off like this that company would be going and -- truly in this one case he although I do what I did disassociate myself from that.
-- -- -- -- According inaudible or want to got to.
Have Express -- -- event and everybody that.
No -- -- on -- and I had slim bodies the better.
Docket this assistance is that I I got a real -- for you.
The -- did I mention this he has -- because I only have the day of for the four days from -- -- -- -- The state of Maryland governor O'Malley huge supporter he's running for president.
Big liberal he has 5000.
To train who are training people how to get -- and into Obama -- So this is a serious effort he said MySpace can lead the way so as of Friday they signed up for less than -- hundred people.
This is a country of 300.
And as of Monday meeting one week 364.
So -- this is the most advanced state in the union.
And now you know why when some elitist he's asked about how many have you signed up she -- what I would tell you how many are trying to get our.
Which was not the question and when who was -- who said.
Yes Jack -- was on FOX News Sunday.
He was asked how many and he -- wrong question.
Before he gets to decide what's the right question or not.
Is is really the regulatory state.
Hearing today according to Jenny ran fifty hearing today committee chairman I said Darrell Issa said.
His constituents received tax notification from the IRS of their penalty.
If they fail to purchase shortly after they registered to shop.
No such thing I mean there was an IRS hearing about how they interact this whole deal and they Obama care.
It opens the door to sharing information and he's suggesting that his -- -- conservative received notification if they don't get that thing.
Can write and think there's a weird I don't -- -- -- -- psychological schizophrenia -- -- -- a figurative -- -- -- -- weird -- let's -- in the no wild almost paranoid and again I -- that discussion about the NSA -- data mining and finding out what your Google searches are.
The government is forcing.
-- tens of millions hundreds of millions of people into a system that shares your most private medical information.
We if bureaucrats and government officials across the United States according to the data exchanges that they have set up for this thing.
Super high level people with security clearance you can find out what your medical records are it's.
The Medicare compliance officer in Scranton Ohio or something like that -- symptoms -- and it can find out these things.
And I find it bizarre that people are willing to freak out that people can Google search that that the government can find out that you Google search for Viagra.
But they don't care that the government can auction know that you were prescribed it in -- it and I bought it.
Because that's what happens under obamacare under much less and remain about privacy and they know if it worked or not through yet.
But the car now we're going back to back the bachelor pad so yeah -- connect it.
I've always been impressed by the fact that civil libertarians are obsessed with the NSA and that is good.
You know how to government but the IRS and of itself forget about Obama -- Is the most unbelievable intrusion agency in the what it's the worst if you get audited.
You have to account for every day every -- -- you -- who you weren't too with what you ordered what you talked about was -- business occasion or not.
The intrusiveness have been ordered of the IRS an ordinary stuff.
Is so far beyond any other agencies that I'm simply surprise that it's never been the focus of civil libertarians.
It's been a benefit of the government shut down perhaps no longer it's going on him while the government -- but I don't understand why.
I had time I understand they're gonna come back irises have access your health care so I don't know -- their health data exchange they're all pretty.
-- -- numerous bureaucrats are now can have access.
To your information I mean that is on the selection I had that read I read what about the -- -- -- -- is going to be enforcing -- an IRS is just -- don't know the iris is basically went to verify.
What kind of subsidy issue right -- that's all they're doing and not even going to be providing how much money you make that is can give a thumbs up or thumbs down -- this is the -- that there in and that's not obviously -- in saying they're gonna do that's what NSA is also.
That the Director of National Intelligence told us that they it is -- elected not I had.
That I'm not that but -- on my point was just be that whatever problems we have.
With the IRS or with the IRS regardless of Obama -- they have that information I don't have any new information because of Obama care they're just.
Now because of Obama care they're gonna have to provide that issue yet but I think -- is gonna ask.
Does this person you know what this person says that they issued a subsidy how much money into the -- what last year so Cyrus has no new information -- -- -- I'm currently about the IRS I'm talking about like that helps that the the HHS systems of every state.
We have -- numerous bureaucrats now who can tap into these massive.
Data systems that have all of your private medical records -- it doesn't make sense why would you Paramount orcas being in the data system it's an exchange that that.
That gets you just kind of turn an insurance company they're not providing insurance in the this is not -- my understanding is that I didn't.
-- -- you have to know things like age.
I have to know if you're a smoker -- -- -- preexisting condition when you're taught history I mean I'm just imagine you've got to have all of that -- And again was so amazingly ironic is this new this hip along the -- for privacy and medical records.
-- a decade ago it is impossible.
To get information about a love -- -- my son had a car accident.
A couple of years ago and I call the hospital in Georgia.
No one would talk to me on the father you know and -- an overnight.
The because of the -- laws so we enforce all of that was tremendous strength is his people are worried about.
You know -- if you say anything.
And yet again all this information will be -- -- and shared among agencies it's always ironic to me how we focus on one part.
The privacy issue -- never on -- fire spread joke right sort of.
-- hacker aspect of supplying personal information to an insecure side mr.
Claims this is a hacker's dream.
That's legitimate too if they can't provide anything to these -- and I have been able to get on the -- solid you know African.
Theoretical right yeah.
It's very similar to going on to like he insurance or any of these places -- asked for basic stuff for the that then pull up.
You know you do give some basic information about yourself and then they pull up.
What type of insurance you would be what you're have access -- -- -- -- forgive or forget private that you wouldn't get to that later but you.
Social Security number you know you can't you make your -- -- all that -- -- going to be in there too.
Single note says Houston all medical records must be available on the -- -- You know I'm not.
I think if it's true that there the medical records argun.
-- -- have bureaucrats combing through medical workers and they can potentially be releasing information I think the same people are upset about and -- we'll be upset about I don't think this is something that people are going to ignore especially if well -- -- and in defense you have to factories.
There are people insurance companies right way out of the bottom of -- you know all your stuff nationality -- -- track.
-- can also -- there when.
Jayhawks the journalists are all clogging up the -- -- so I think that the tools through with it.
To continue to concern about what the IRS is this more about the fact that nobody's really seems to -- prosecuted for the things that they've already done.
So when you hear even in the hearing.
The woman who testified.
Today comparing her name is.
Ingram was -- -- was saying that.
It's a -- of course to disclose this kind of information IRS can't do that and -- would be prosecuted criminally prosecuted but nobody's been criminally prosecuted for releasing information for non.
To a rival organization.
Of activating hired that person down so that that is concerning last thing here is a wrap up.
Do you think this is a lot -- typing and this is.
Camel's nose under the -- of single Payer that the whole thing falls apart and then Democrats weekend and say you know what we need to solve this and we need some compare.
I think that was probably how it will end up there will be a choice.
I think it collapses.
And depending on who who's an incumbent and office will then either -- -- to single Payer -- redo this whole thing and go back -- to see Apollo.
Ryan reconstruction of of a private system.
But the question that you're asking his -- one of intent.
And I always have you know this -- Fury in Washington and you've got a choice to explain a disaster.
Either as incompetence or is conspiracy.
If you say incompetence he'll be right twenty times out of twenty -- So I don't think it was intended.
But I think they probably along the way seeing what a disaster the bill was and how much is -- regulation.
They probably thought well if it collapses they'll be only one way to go to single Payer I don't think that was where they started out.
I'm not -- -- agree with -- Barney Frank said that he thought this was a stop -- to a single -- I think Harry Reid said he thought this is going to be stop -- -- single -- I I I agree you know not everybody I mean I think Barack Obama -- this is just going to be the cat's pajamas and work and he was but social scientists -- really wrong but in denial for him in denial perhaps.
But I would take a long time a -- there was always designed to fail just not this quickly.
Last -- person that well you've got to take it to.
From that but I don't think that anybody.
Eat your broke right actually in the sense that Democrats want single Payer.
I want single -- But I don't think obamacare was designed to fail either I think that you could have a mom can't be successful and that may -- still humps and holes that need to be fixed -- -- want to fail spectacularly.
In that that would be very bad.
Joseph says Charles no way we go back has an entitlement program ever been rolled back yes there was -- in 1980 -- if we have a big one.
But it was an expansion of Medicare for catastrophic coverage it was such a rebellion against -- one year later in 1989 it was repealed so it is not impossible.
The dream is still alive.
With that we will wrap it up tonight thank you panel as always.
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