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Welcome Jane plays spirited debate on more greens -- was -- correspondent Fox News Channel on this segment a pastor with a pretty pretty impressive lineage.
-- individually is a senior minister at coral ridge Presbyterian Church in Florida he's also the grandson of Billy Graham V evangelist -- really as America's pastor.
And got an Italian is here today you've written a book and it's called one -- love.
Inexhaustible brace for an exhausted world and you can you taking a critical look at the churches today and -- finding what.
Well what I'm finding is that most people inside the church of people who are going to church on a regular basis or burning out fast.
And many are leaving.
And the reason is in my opinion is as far as the people that talk to and interacted with is.
-- -- on the receiving end of lots of do more tri corner stone and it summons.
They're on the receiving end of -- checklist version of the Christian faith do.
You know find things to ensure happy marriage and if he can do these five things you can have a happy marriage six ways to ensure that you have -- behavior emotionally adjusted children that's -- thing.
And after while people begin to think that the focus of the Christian faith is the Christian life and not.
Christ himself right -- -- the good news of the gospel.
That we preachers are called to proclaim is that.
The Christian faith is not about what we do.
-- god -- about what god has done for us first it's not first and foremost about our performance for god but god performance for us it's not.
First and foremost about the sacrifices we make but the sacrifice that god made.
For us and so the book is really.
A way to -- kind of.
In one sense and I'd I'd make the point that.
Not just people inside the -- people outside the church for a variety of different reasons.
People are moving faster and faster -- today than ever before trying to secure their own meaning and worth and value and significance and to make their lives matter and it's wearing them how.
It's like there's been sort of that this sort of creeping in of secularism that has happened to the church as well because you knowing that you know Tim Keller and I'm not a guy that it was turned out.
And and this is not the message I get from him so now so.
If you figured out today of course you know there are wonderful exceptions to the rule and it was one of those wonderful except I mean this is the -- we we get a kind of -- credit trying to -- -- -- here but what you might have been for what are the church is -- there that I now will be.
I'm projecting this -- Well it's not mean I'm not necessarily thinking about any individual -- well I am but a -- and it -- -- I don't know here but.
I mean I think if you ask the average person on the street.
What christianity is whether that person goes to church or doesn't go to church I think the answer would revolve around something having to do with.
-- you know living right.
Being -- something that.
So we have to do with the way we live.
Yeah arm and into the region and a -- -- telling -- not the church itself but something that they're just getting I think they get it other certainly they get it out.
They -- in the world -- -- real world our culture is definitely a.
Do more try horde of -- there's no question about -- -- Running around frantically trying to secure our own worth and value and significance and meaning trying to ensure that we matter.
By working hard and workings more in all of those things.
I think that the church has in a sense adopted that or absorb -- spiritual -- -- and it's not so much.
Doing these things so that you can get favor with your neighbor or your -- but doing these things to maintain favor with god -- one of the things.
I talk about in the book is.
I don't talk to too many Protestants who think that they have to -- Earned their salvation right I mean most people would say no by -- were saved god save us okay.
They admit that it's God's blood sweat and tears that -- -- in but lots of people after they become Christians -- after they've been in church for a while start thinking that.
Yes it was god blood sweat and tears that -- -- -- but it's my blood sweat and tears that keep us -- That when I'm doing well and I'm having us spiritually successful day.
God loves me more god approves of -- more you have come up with this this word of Qantas -- performance is some yeah at that could be its new word I knew I made -- I -- you can make up or did you define exactly ecstatic and so what does it mean what does it mean that.
It means that we're trying our best to generate our own meaning our own value our own significance by how we perform.
How we perform.
As a husband how we perform as a wife.
How we perform as Spain.
How we perform as a worker and neighbor a church person whatever that.
Our worth value significance is riding on our shoulders and how we're doing how we perform and what I want to say.
Over and over again in the book is that.
The Christian faith is -- -- first and foremost by jesus' performance for us not our performance it's defined first and foremost by.
His work for us on our behalf.
Not our war that so.
You turn that around because we live in -- world especially this like New York where you know aren't judged -- -- -- that your last success -- life our failure -- totally right this is your identity right you know how much you make how -- -- -- the greatness of your family -- your -- -- your -- -- -- I mean as a preacher how to like turn -- outraged I preach I mean I preach.
Inexhaustible grace -- and -- world.
I -- I try it over and over and over again to remind people that.
All of the work all of the value all of the significance all of the security that they long wore down deep and that they're looking for in a thousand people when things infinitely smaller than Jesus.
Jesus has already sweeping only secured fourth.
I'm like dying on the cross for -- it was a great book you've got an impressive list of endorsements here -- beginning with your your grandfather milligram but you've also getting at least -- Rick -- purpose of -- in line commuter taxes.
Tony Romo -- thought the baritone and a friend he's a quarterback of my favorite football team except that I.
But -- -- decrepit housing industry in 95 -- -- -- -- he's doing well I mean I'm gonna sealed in.
Probably two or three weeks I'm gonna go up there and -- and go there -- few times a year and.
His mind is -- -- courses bodies week.
He's 95 and.
And so it was bodies week but he.
He's still -- And no signs of him slowing down yet so doing good -- you're hearing on a great tag a greatly.
Lineage here until individually and one way loving -- -- -- grace for an exhausted.
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