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House Republicans just finished talking talking talking.
As they get ready for the leadership to head up to the White House.
Have a meeting with the president to talk about.
Developments and a developing consensus among Republicans at least.
About what to do about the debt limit and the continuing resolution funding the government.
Someone who knows how this will all and I promise -- -- -- -- Latin because there's probably.
A right historical analogy for the moment.
Is Michael Barone Michael Barone as we always like to tell you is senior political analyst for Washington examiner.
-- resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute quite so.
He is one of the authors of the almanac of American politics yes but also and can we show the book we like to look at Michael but let's show the book to.
He is also the author of a new book that you must read to understand much of the political discussion in America today.
Shaping our nation -- surges of migration transformed America and its.
Politics Michael -- welcome.
-- it's always good to be with you Chris then I am sincere when I say that poor people don't understand what's happening in politics -- they need to read your books that they should do that would you agree.
I definitely agree I mean one of the you know.
-- -- not what got -- in this quote I sketch out house searches of migration have been very large part -- our country from the Scots Irish in the years just before dad what I'm talking about.
To the intrastate internal migrations and the Latin and Asian migration.
That peaked between -- and -- need to in 2007.
But you give -- full -- you give us the full treatment and there right you're not you don't stand on us.
We we get into way Andrew Jackson's role at the Marlins the -- with our Xu -- floor and the acquisition of Florida Texas and California.
-- -- made Florida we made Florida now -- populated because we all moved down there.
All right -- Michael broad question.
Question for you.
-- good -- for a few days sounding like they were going to try to.
Run up against the debt ceiling or get tough talk about sequencing obligations and all of that and yesterday that talk evaporated.
And Republicans ranging from groups like Jim demands.
The heritage action political action group and others came -- and said no let's raise the debt ceiling and let's focus on the continuing resolution.
House Republicans are taken it to the president today.
The president saying no we need to keep those things together.
It's not surprising Michael that the president would not want to have to litigate them separately.
It's not surprising he's been holding out and saying I will not negotiate.
Which I think is not the politically most attractive position to -- to take at all the showdowns back in 95 in 96 Bill Clinton was saying.
Home in -- not negotiating -- working hard and he indeed.
Did spend a lot of time talking with Newt Gingrich and other Republicans.
And so forth so.
-- you make them go to Andrews Air Force Base don't ever call that.
He like -- -- -- in -- hangar at Andrews.
I think -- one point they had to go out to Andrews I think the President Obama did and he might split for some golf on the course this stuff.
What did you raining so the chase with chances of negotiations are up it's too it's too -- for at all well -- have the marine hold the umbrella for a while playing.
-- the look -- this thing I think that.
The you know the president and his advisors are used to thinking about.
This in terms of elections elections -- -- zero sum game if you -- dirty up the other side sufficiently you're you've likely to win.
This is not a zero sum game politically Democrats hope to the president apparently hope that they'd get huge benefit.
Lot of this and that the house Republicans would that would hurt themselves with the voters.
I think the answer is the house Republicans have hurt themselves with the voters they.
Needlessly started off on this defund doubt Obama care strategy which is about 69% of voters are against.
That delayed the process and ensured that the shutdown would occur.
But I think that -- president Obama's well we had a poll yesterday showing his job -- what 37%.
That's the first one I can remember where he's been below 40%.
We'll see if that's match by others it may not be.
But you know he's if you.
In -- in the non zero sum game both sides can get hurt that -- it then if that happened during the collapse of after the collapse of the August 2011.
Dodge grand bargain negotiations.
It it appears to be happening now.
Now the question as.
For Republicans that they want something on this health law.
They want anything on this health law.
I was talking to my sister yesterday.
And she said well -- -- and she's a conservative.
And she said well I hope the Republicans don't cave.
And I said -- what would that constitute -- -- what would be caving and she said well.
They -- they they have to do something about this health law.
And is it really possible though for Republicans at this point they're talking about.
Winning up continuing resolution -- a budget for full year funding.
For the federal government in exchange for a delay of the individual mandate and a delay of the exception for the senate.
The president's now negotiating he said he would negotiate now he's negotiating.
Is their reason for Republicans think they can get something on the health -- are.
I don't think thinking delay the individual mandate the did delaying the individual mandate would risk.
Increasing the cost of insurance very much because side nonstick people would not apply -- larger network -- will be the case now so.
I think they won't do that I think that they could the they could change this regulation -- that came out of OPM.
Rather than text of the bill.
That gives special treatment to members of congress I think that's that's a 92% issue on the Republican side -- they've been hesitant to bring it up at first because a lot of Republicans.
-- that special treatment to for them and their staffs.
I think that there's also possibility of eliminating or reducing the medical devices tax you've got senator -- democratic senators from Minnesota and Massachusetts that are strongly for that they've got big medical device operations in their state.
And I think there's some pressure on the president to negotiate.
There was a poll recently that showed asked whether.
Different people in this struggle were acting like he responsible adult are spoiled child for president Barack Obama it was 49%.
Responsible at all at 47%.
That's like the old story the Teamsters union business agent in the hospital and got a bouquet of flowers with a note that said the executive board wishes you a speedy recovery by a vote of nine to six.
That's not a Michael throated endorsement.
Michael borrow and knows things now you know some of them and including the best Teamsters joke you'll hear all day brother broke we thank you for making -- Thank you.
The parade -- is.
March 5 -- to hear and we are going to skip the next brake why why break why bother breaking don't break -- the brakes off.
Let's go over right now and bring in our esteemed panel.
Who does not have to sit next to me today.
Amos Snead he is a former Press Secretary for Roy Blunt and pretty big deal in Washington.
And he is.
And that's what's the name your firm so people can argue -- thank -- -- -- -- its -- story partners.
Story the story to story partners -- approach shot.
Check -- needs no introduction because he would do it for himself if I didn't but let me just say.
That he is the president of solidarity strategies.
He is eighties and he's probably heard that -- Teamsters joke.
And he's a director of the with TF.
It was kind of but it was a little bit resolute but don't know.
It was a little bit fight and he's director of the Latino project back and he is a fellow of what.
The American workforce.
Okay all right American workforce -- -- I like it time for it OK gentlemen welcome and here's the question.
The president the web site.
For signing up for the the benefit.
That is now called Obama care.
It is bad it's -- it's it will be web site and everybody doesn't like it.
Is that politically consequential.
Republicans are making a big deal out of it this speaker of the house said yesterday you can't ask he can't.
Fine people for not buying something that they can even get on to sign up for.
Republicans are seizing on this does this have actual political consequence -- is this something real -- -- start with you.
-- I will say that I would website not -- -- myself as a small businessman.
And there are people all across the south rock grew up in turn apart from east Texas good southern Baptist folks like me -- like.
Let's go sign up we didn't have any health care but if you did sound -- -- the greatest thing ever if you went there and it crashed into a little confusing.
-- already were little skeptical about before I could see it causing problems for sure.
But does -- but is -- a political content.
Plants and that's when we -- Sally I I think so you saw speaker Boehner on the floor yesterday.
You know despite outside pressure not to -- into this -- open it up on October 1 -- -- -- went to the website some people have long waits they had dead links.
It's given a lot of people headaches so you know the White House has been pushing out.
How many clicks they got how many -- -- they have.
What they haven't actually talked about how many people have been rule I think he's soft on Jon Stewart earlier this week us secretary of civilians couldn't answer that question and -- how many people are actually -- so.
-- -- -- -- -- -- As we'd stay as we would as they would say tried -- yeah I don't know about a told that one if I was her beat it jacket -- that -- the question Jack is.
And help me understand this if Iowa is a Democrat.
Wouldn't I want a delay of some kind in the law so that it could have a good launch and be smoother it seems like.
The there's -- there's been a lot of hurry up even though it's been three years it seems like there's been a lot of hurry up.
Why not but why wouldn't they just say the Republicans OK fine let's just -- a little bit.
So here's a couple things as multi level first you won't this thing -- you wanna get it done.
The more people that are on -- the more people who get sound out the better it is for Democrats because it's actually a good right.
Is it huge sure it's -- is -- gonna have bumps in the road absolutely anything that this monstrous is gonna have bumps in the road.
But I would have said one thing about we're running this number -- a lot of huge campaign automate day ensure that the website I was -- to work properly.
Yep yep and and that and that's the thing and -- is that in this.
You know people into people's views about how well the government does stuff.
And and Q and Gallup track this generation only over years.
People have low confidence now compared what they once did in the institutions of government.
And people have relatively low expectations.
But to -- point.
If you get free health insurance or subsidize health insurance.
People are gonna wait and people are gonna fight their way through to get free free stuff is still popular.
You can be most popular it has last -- most popular things right.
Well I think if anything we saw this thing wasn't ready for prime time they've rushed to roll out if -- several years to get ready and we've seen with the glitches and there's online they have been enablers but no matter how stinky -- portal as.
If you are sick.
And -- you are going to wait -- you're gonna go back as many times as you have to do in order to get that benefit right.
I I would agree with you but I think and how it was not ready to you to be ruled out really speaks to obamacare is -- Oh yeah and the biggest problem was accomplished -- -- that you -- we're sitting here looking at the US capitol that is shut down here's the problem we roll this thing out of we have shot our government down.
When you have facing gods in the -- you can't go make a living you have military veterans who may not get checks in two weeks and now you -- rolled out this plant at a time when the country probably has the most questions about are we really gonna get anything done in the city.
Well and that's a point shot and that.
Is is it may be an unintended consequence of this shut down happening concurrently because of the way the federal calendar works out.
And when the fiscal year runs that -- -- -- shut down when this comes out.
I was I -- -- about why people who really needed this and Santana folks you're talking about who are poor who don't have health insurance who are sick.
But those aren't the people that Kathleen Sebelius was -- to attract when she went on The Daily Show those -- the kind of people that they're turning they're talking about millennial.
The young and vegetables and those people those people might be put off by -- by.
Snags in this line.
I think it's absolutely right I think there's delay -- how you can sign up there it's it's going to be a headache for the administration I think it's something as a government shutdown continues.
We're gonna keep hear more about.
But politically politically because of what we're going to do right now with the shut down a couple that with the already people not understanding something that's so big and and you have a website glitch.
All of the above.
This is the main problem with Washington it's the shut down and in the politics of the shut down it's going to be -- into the obamacare was going to be a real problem here.
Now -- that a problem for them.
I think the bottom for both sides you'll see this morning that -- to both come out attacking both sides of congress -- Get back to work you have a -- you have a war two veteran on one side.
You have Republicans going after Marshall Democrats on the other side try to hang in Iraq each one comes next -- they know politically.
This is not good for the American people and right now that's my congress approval ratings at like 7%.
Well now -- four Republicans.
Victim so far it is it not as bad as they expected it to be.
It is it is bad they are taking -- hit but it's not as bad as they expected to -- Is the move on the debt ceiling.
And the decision to try to prolong.
The shut down in an effort to get something on obamacare is that a reflection of what the polls are set.
Absolutely I think president Obama's that we make a move on the -- -- we have that discussion everything's on the table.
For Republicans that meant great let's -- -- like -- back on the table and I think that's why you saw house Republicans move that way to -- they're hoping to have that conversation.
There's not -- what.
Go ahead it's -- W Pittsnogle you you already knew what I was gonna ask you so you can just think about it absolutely.
There's a reason bomber in this -- today -- -- somewhere in this hat today is that two weeks ago when I was in the Florida Everglades that we had out of fishing tournament.
And we raise money for the Everglades National Park.
Those gods are closed out of their park right now -- -- to get into their own part to make a living because of this government shutdown.
This is going to be a big political -- for both parties if we don't get this thing fixed and they're hard working Americans who are not part of the federal government who don't get guaranteed front -- Back pain losing work every single day.
Who need to be put back to working at this government working again.
And -- -- nobody knows what the -- you don't mess with me.
I was gonna say ladies and gentlemen of the -- Internet.
We give you amnesty who probably took mover over to the cannon rotunda.
Today and -- -- Yahoo! took a fan vote to get over there we thank you gentlemen both before making time for us today you -- -- the -- Experience experience.
Okay Internet how are you enjoying your shut down it's been so so over here it's all right the it's been disruptive.
But is this ultimately.
What matters is this just theater are we nibbling around the edges.
Somebody who is not afraid to cut to the heart of the matter is the judge -- -- on -- he'll be with us when we come back -- decorum.
And that was the scene in 1998.
As the US embassy in Nairobi Kenya.
Was struck by Islamist militants.
The American -- your -- And this is power -- welcome back Internet.
One of the people who we say -- our government says.
Is responsible for that attack.
And who has been in league.
With the al-Qaeda part of al-Qaeda and other attacks on Americans westerners Christians.
And others around the world since 1998.
Is in custody now somewhere in the -- of a ship or someplace they're not saying.
You know Americans are crying too many tears.
Four of mr.
-- Judge Andrew Pollack Tom -- -- hundred Carla Thomas says hold on.
This is not an -- -- -- positive.
Judge I they have kept you from us.
In person but you are at least here we know that you are here -- see the Fox News Channel senior judicial analyst that you're here.
To render verdicts.
Here the Washington bureau I guess I am.
I am somewhere in the building in our room I have never seen before but it's always good to be with you Chris -- if they don't -- it -- -- Go ahead he you know what what might not be -- what happened after my article came out -- that the public defenders.
In New York City the federal public defenders have made an application.
To the chief judge of the federal courts in New York City asking that they be appointed to -- Send him while he's still in the custody of intelligence agents.
On aboard ship somewhere in the Mediterranean.
So that they can move to dismiss the indictment against him.
Because the government is not complying with hard and fast black letter law.
If you pick somebody up off the streets.
And they have not been indicted.
You have a reasonable amount of time in which to interrogate -- -- to obtain intelligence information if you pick somebody up off the streets who has been indicted.
You are absolutely positively required to bring them to a federal judge.
Within 48 hours and a delay in that time during which you interrogated this person without the Miranda -- warning.
Could be fatal -- -- case this is not my opinion this is black letter Supreme Court law.
And lawyers in New York City as you -- and I speak are acting upon it.
Now Internet I should point out that the article about which the judge was talking about.
You would already have read enjoyed digested understood much of and -- musing on the rest if you were if you were signed up for Fox News first.
Because we give you each each week we give you the the judge's ruling where we give you and link to -- quick press -- The judges column available at Fox News opinion and so I would tell you people to get the two and a college on a column.
Nobody cares about this guys.
I mean he's the he's a bad guy right he's -- plotted the bombing that killed in a sense.
He has been in the league.
With -- Islamist militants bent on the restoration of the Calif -- who cares about this guy.
Well we should all care about due process of law Chris I you are right.
That the evidence of his guilt is substantial.
You are right that he probably did what the government says he did which -- conspire and plan.
And provide assistance to the people that actually caused us embassy bombings back in the in the Clinton administration.
But even John Kerry who rejoiced when this guy was kidnapped off the streets acknowledge that he's innocent until proven guilty.
And that constitution was written.
To protect the guilty it was written to protect the people we hate from government cutting corners in the prosecution of them.
Because that we can cut corners of people we hate and who are probably guilty that will lead to cutting corners all over the place.
And then when the government wants to find a heretic in its inquisition.
It will find one.
-- -- -- -- Billy -- and that cat says judge.
Al Libby deserves the -- that comes to -- honestly he -- to -- nothing more than any.
Of the al-Qaeda in Iraq guys and -- -- guys we fought against from 2006 to 2011 during two of my deployments.
He can burn in you know where but your point judge isn't that he ought not burn you know where.
Your point is that if we don't keep them nicely tees what seemed like niceties of due process when we're talking about because this isn't a -- nobody's hi -- setting and a military court -- -- excited about sending him to Guantanamo.
For treating him as a Prisoner of War you this he's no matter what he's bound for.
This -- sit civilians -- justice system yes let let me say this about the the email -- first of all sounds like he's former military and so.
My hat is off tonight obviously.
I respect they sacrifice that he made in May still be making for the country.
But his statement is essentially a political one it's a political one that a great many people including I share.
But we cannot cut constitutional.
Corners against people that we hate.
Or against people who hate us or against people as to whom there's a great deal of evidence.
Because that is a slippery slope and no one wants to go down that slippery slope.
One the government breaks the law won the federal government breaks the law.
That attitude we can do what we want so long as we get the bad guy trickles down to local cops.
And then you see people killed.
When they're on armed.
And cops breaking the law and other cops looking the other way when the feds break the law to capture a bad guy.
It sets a pace and a pattern that is mimic throughout the country and it results in a great deal of -- and that's not good for human freedom.
I -- before we let you go very quickly.
Can the president of the United States borrow money can -- executive branch of the of the federal government borrow money.
Without the authorization from congress.
If he does it will not have the full faith and credit of the United States government to pay it back.
If you guys know somebody is foolish enough to loan him along the federal government money without the full faith and credit of the United States which under the constitution can only come from a congress.
Let them go ahead and waste their money.
But it it's it's not the same it's not authorized it's against the law and it would only happen if if he founded -- willing to take that gambit.
All -- please remit your form to the Department of the Treasury it's over on Pennsylvania Avenue.
Judge we thank you as always for your gonna come under fire here Chris because I don't know I where I -- We're hiding but -- didn't make sure Internet you go read his column and read and every week and sign up for Fox's first -- you won't forget thanks judge thank you Chris.
Okay you Internet it's been nice to be inside I'm not going to lie to you I don't know where will be tomorrow it will be great it will be fun.
I hope it's not raining maybe -- go on the roof again that was good you into -- that I think.
But will do that or some thing.
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As we like to do every -- a word from our French -- Us and incidentally on the question of language.
That they can do liberals always sees though dictionary you.
It's in what we talk about -- -- a clean CR.
Well that's nice that's clean -- and Republicans who want to -- see our continuing resolution.
I would say what Republicans are asking for is to deny the administration.
A blank check.
Because that's what the Democrats in the bureaucracy are demanding.
So it will be nice if we could undo that language where almost under the present -- the Democrats are asking he's inherently.
Good after all clean -- good.
But blank check is a bad idea.