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Welcome back to political insiders on probably a here with Packard -- -- John we're here in New York on Monday that debt ceiling deadline is Thursday.
A lot is happening even as we sit here let's get an update of where do you think we are at this well it.
I think we've got to start with the obvious.
That not obvious.
And the likely.
The obvious is.
We're nowhere as we sit here today.
The house in the White House the Republicans in the house the white house of over the weekend come to know agreement.
Well amid recriminations.
And a back and forth.
Through majority leader Harry Reid and minority leader.
Mitch McConnell we -- talking Saturday they spoke again Sunday.
They both put out encouraging.
Of their talk but there was very little substance.
Either revealed or discussed.
I suspect on the table is Susan Collins is compromise from last week that was rejected.
But I don't know because it has not appeared in print what I think.
Of the congressional leadership is trying to do now.
Is to forestall panic I think they both sides would agree.
That they have to emphasize optimism even if there is no reason for optimism for one very simple reason.
If they get pessimistic I think when -- -- why looked at the market today is that seven -- eight points.
If they get pessimistic and it drops for 500 points then we're in for a calamity but I do think -- to be curious John yours and that's -- Do think we are gonna get some sort of eight.
Short term agreement by Thursday if only because the alternative is some kilometers but I would argue even if we do.
In the absence of something more long term which I think is totally unlikely.
It will literally not address the underlying problems we've been talked about.
Out where do you think we are bodies dug up some of that -- Doug summed it up I mean I still think we're playing Russian roulette with five chambers.
Local you know I mean these guys we thought over the by Friday the word was well we'll come -- agreement they didn't there's so many moving parts.
You know the Democrats.
Were encouraged people -- about the Wall Street Journal -- I think.
-- if you don't look -- sets and Harry Reid warning not only total surrender which.
Us from the callers often been in the past several times has done for it.
We one -- more one to break this question of the Republicans delivered -- watching the senate deal in noticing that they're not dealing with the house.
I didn't opt out -- -- museum I'm worried about it because I'm taking that house -- listen to Gingrich yesterday -- former figure you're.
On one of the the Sunday shows saying the house you don't that they're gonna get there institutional.
It's some of this if this so they keep -- -- -- it the problem is it took two senators to get McConnell and we need to use me.
I mean these guys are leaders clearly -- -- opponent -- to each other.
It's -- and it and -- house Republicans in the senate Republicans don't talk at all each other we learn that over.
The web service took look what pat is saying John is sadly.
All too true.
We do not have a functioning democracy we do not having it functioning leadership class.
And as you sit here.
I think our producer Martin -- made a very good point procedurally where bankrupt.
But beyond that you have a health care law that's now gone into effect that doesn't appear to work.
-- -- -- Getting -- working great and and your state they signed up one person of the first ten days and what -- big accomplishment.
For I mean you have at a -- and it blew up under a -- monitored and able really were devoted so I think things are going quite -- -- -- yes.
But -- fiasco I've we'll get back to that list but about number four on Doug's point that we really don't have a functioning democracy the public.
Markets up there American satisfaction with the way the nation is being covered.
Look at this spiking upwards -- 81%.
And this flight down in the last month only 18% are satisfied I'm completely satisfied company who in the 18% of but I want to ask you you know I don't look at that chart -- finally and we sort of back up for accuracy second.
Yes look how high that he -- look at that that that that second line.
And then suddenly goes something like 72 I think -- about 07 or something you know and then goes back there but look at the spike but general movement it's worse than Watergate -- worse -- I was about to say the same thing well water hey what we have got a terrible war to date if you go to the left that's Watergate 73 and 466%.
Then by 85 when Reagan is got things really cook and and the economy's doing great only 37%.
Or does that -- out weigh in goes all the way through the years right.
Until we get to -- one.
It's a -- and it was 5730.
-- And then we start going -- and it's the last -- mention.
So that -- -- album but can we -- also look at slide six BQ dysfunction because we can we.
This this says says sorry erupted pat.
This is gonna say this is that the top issue in the countries that dysfunctional and -- and we can play in the audience -- please call here.
We ask you it's quite as they're -- what is -- all its biggest one probably your country and America the country face right now and 33% -- hiatus from golf.
You selected as a double taxes like that is that taxes -- those in the tax.
So that's a little bodies that -- tell doesn't tell what do you think you're hitting it in the these numbers tell me that that we've got to citizenry.
That -- and raised with the -- functionality of our government combined with international leaders.
Look at us America asked.
At what moment on -- content.
Here I'd look -- okay let's bring in a comment earlier than we normally -- it's relevant to what we're talking about big spending 32 straight frequent longer and I love beneath me.
He says that's what the president and congress fail to tell the American people is our fiscal problems cannot be quote fix.
They can only be kicked down the road.
The only option they have is to fool us for another 36 for twelve months and playing the other side and take credit so they can get re elected.
It's a vicious cycle they can only end one way.
Well I don't know terribly wrong except -- these -- I believe that the outcome could be what he says.
But there are ways to reform entitlements and -- -- sad things about this.
Is that nobody is talking seriously about reforming Medicare Medicaid and Social Security means testing.
These are there there are proven ways to do it.
That are not that onerous to save hundreds of billions of dollars trillions over MI wrong you guys tell.
If a candidate Republican Democrat or are hypothetical independent were to say to the American people.
Vinny is right but -- is wrong.
The establishment kicks the can down the road every 36 -- It's and that's why we're in the -- brand but if you wanna get out of the soup here's how we're gonna do it.
And it ain't gonna be easy and everybody's gonna have some pain all thanks Doug just said.
You know but if we do it fairly and we do it over a long period of time.
We can crawl out of this mess do you want to do what -- do you wanna go with the establishment.
And become a bankrupt country.
Am I wrong -- 60% of the people will choose what we just -- I think more than six I think it's more than six.
Plant makes me feel good -- -- -- guys agree -- that event and and I look this is this is a moment for common sense of patriotism.
And for him for being honest with people.
Which is you know what you said there you know to everybody it's every month gonna get heard.
But we're gonna do it fairly important -- you have to convince this country is every time somebody these parties talk about this.
-- into -- defended their own -- there donors are special interest.
And people know they're getting screw.
And also what other things and Doug keep talking about the so important we all.
He is a program is as we can -- learn how to roll ourselves right the happy RR word you know here and you know nothing about this too pure economy people -- really suffering.
And because you know had been.
God -- but yeah I think the message from the left that that does fit the country is this income disparity.
Is a factor in his country problem and the -- the Republicans should not ignore.
But we should say instead of tax -- believe you don't tax the rich and give it to the war.
You gotta do stuff to let the -- make.
More monitored and that level but everybody make Mario totally -- right thing attacks ways I rising sea lifts all that you gotten away from -- but we need to be impressed that used politically and nuns.
Open the real bright guy but he's done model from -- -- -- -- broken well here is the problem the Republicans have for themselves.
The Democrats Saturday.
There's a problem of income and inequality disparity.
More social programs and Lazio the -- -- that's exactly right.
It's a fair argument it's a coherent arguments -- Obama and Obama in its rational.
The problem is it doesn't address the central issues we faces as a society.
How do you create more opportunity -- do you create more growth.
More jobs the Republicans rather than answer to the line.
That we have been taking.
They say not -- lower taxes smaller government.
Less that people do want less government but they want more opportunity.
And if the Republican Party exists only just saying no.
And particularly on social issues don't we say -- they are getting themselves into a trip there you know.
Well and I think that this is blow -- the Republicans should be seizing here is mark I'm Mike continual problem with their lack of emotional empathy with the American people's park.
The four groups you talk about income this job losses we know and I keep harping on this the four groups -- the lost the most income realty.
Were the base of Obama support blacks Hispanics women and young people.
You think you might have a narrative says there's a better way other than what you set a world lower taxes for rich people which seems to be a month for.
No they do not engage saying we have to have people this thing about income inequality.
Means that we are not paying the people in our society.
When we have productivity.
What can make it happen we want entrepreneur who worked on include -- in -- -- -- -- want the workers who make.
I happen to benefit that is a social contract that has been shattered and it has been shattered.
By both parties defeat their special interest.
In their money there's also an Atlanta need -- is that gonna take -- -- -- there's a tunnel problems of the Republicans among those four groups being -- -- -- Howard and not nice -- -- -- -- in many blacks what do argument for blacks women young and wasn't it in blacks what Hispanics and his bat.
Not -- look at the Republicans with any hope or any good feeling at all -- okay.
Nor -- that we're going right everybody should there I didn't say nor should base and why should why should act of war will come back gonna have more comments that's for.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- We're back with Doug -- pack an alum John affiliate gonna pick up on what we just were talking about we have another comment from south Bundy.
Represented is that are exempt from the programs they control are not represented of.
Of the people that -- But that is the fundamental.
Design -- we see going on between political class that has spent -- -- its own -- And hurting the country in the American people are supposed to serve we have it backwards of who's serving as a master in this relationship.
But the congress -- on the health care this is the Republican standard.
You've got the president goes down wants to make a deal for the staffers the congress.
Boehner and he'd get a room agreed to do this -- the Republican won't talk about big you don't you don't talk about -- -- take care of art subsidies in our stop.
And then pretend we're having this fight over help you know you're having a -- over what you think your politics -- while both of you.
Our our our -- -- -- your role nests and at -- the expense of the taxpayers.
There is no one who stood up and spoke with the American people about on the back or anything else and my god -- would take the country it would explode.
And and I don't know -- I don't think it was last week when you were not here this issue of the emails from Boehner you know about this idea.
Maybe our viewers don't know.
Harry Reid and Boehner were emailing to put this back -- deal together to give will backfire paid subsidies to the congressional staff is -- to break the law so they don't have to be part of what what Michael Moore says they have they have got wrecked.
Boehner when he starts getting grief goes public says this is terrible I don't like it shouldn't happen while he's privately emailing to put the deal together.
And -- -- -- that says.
The speaker is -- hours.
I don't -- that this is what this is what's gonna say notice how little media attention got -- -- -- Because everybody in Washington in the mainstream media think awhile so we've we do is that -- But it's all about how we who Yahoo!'s you people you Yahoo!'s out there that's which -- government is about how would.
We we ended yesterday on our Fox News Channel show.
We rushed through the issue of what could come from us we use the pole.
From last week 60% of people favor a third part where.
And we never really got going a socialist take a few minutes we talked about a lot on this version of our show what's talked some more about it is what's happening now.
-- -- the idea of a third candidate for even a third party Murdoch's when he -- I don't know I think it is here's the cap.
There is certainly was 60% saying they want it strong support for all sorts of all sorts.
I you know it's -- it's ideologically and politically diffuse it has old and in common as concept one -- not that you know.
And pat correctly points out.
There are a lot of it is resentment to the political class I point out that people want politicians who were in the senator.
-- -- we could spend a lot of time John parson what ideally people want.
But when I say -- them they are so -- with what's coming what they're getting.
And that kind of hypocrisy and emails that it is illustrative of the -- there's a -- And is about.
The Democrats and -- and Republicans who agree on nothing agree on one thing.
Keeping alternatives off about.
Because they understand that if what we are now talking about happens.
The chance is very very real that the house of cards they have built will come down.
In -- it was a very important point and that is the that is the challenge.
I think the public -- ready I think it's more than 60%.
I think the third option could be inside of parties could be for -- not just president I think we could see in 2004 people could be movements to have.
Candidates if they can find positioning.
Where this this new caucus we would call of the American people call it whatever.
But let me tell you the system is in 1992.
Dot -- The -- in -- -- so Ross Perot who was crazy.
Basically -- what point -- point being made president of the United States they shoved down the throats of me watching that.
Doing nothing because -- all in the -- his message was they were very angry.
You're the owners of the country start acting like -- look at -- -- wanna help I don't want to say look at they shut the system down -- And they make it very hard but once the system works even lose one of them wins in the other picks up the problems the system -- -- The danger the both of them have and Washington establishment is letting any -- happen with any other alternative that knocks over the whole system.
I want to answer my question based on your answers with number four back up on the screen we can leave it up there for sex three this can talk through that.
History of this things first let's go where it says 5839.
Over the 1991.
That is Ross Perot first Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot prisoner bush President Bush was.
And 91% approval rating in May of 1991.
At the end of the first gulf war.
The economy starts to go sour and within a year -- the country is dissatisfied.
Thirty or not.
-- If there.
Yeah 39 is dissatisfied.
The year after that number -- would sit on the -- right yes.
OK so if with only 39%.
And Ross Perot got 20% of the vote anyway.
And can't -- time -- lives being both parties in June to unite -- -- ahead ahead by now now you go to the end where it's 8118.
And look at the previous.
Gyrations of both numbers which really began in 07.
The economic meltdown Lehman Brothers -- -- all of us as this thing has gotten more tumultuous.
For a third possible option.
Get -- -- it's more possible if you gotta have a lot of that Israel agree to the problems that you mention getting on the ballot the two parties trying to keep you off.
Big problems but they're so memorable if enough people wanted it to happen what.
Look at Richard chart -- -- do that it's very viable.
Well we keep it up -- gamble -- longer -- -- Watergate on the left side the 66%.
But really happy period now look at from 067.
In that period -- -- -- -- the dissatisfaction.
Keep basically rising.
It's at a higher levels maintains a higher level -- experience -- polling is once you break barriers.
And it stays consistent.
You get change.
And now this is going on this crisis mean -- won the evening the straw that breaks the camel's back.
This is -- none of this stuff.
-- -- And I think team we are seeing a perfect storm what I just what we set on this stage.
Two years ago a pre revolutionary moment -- tell you we are on the cost of real run of the revolution now.
We're a lot mightn't -- why settle this up to make my answer a month ago we had we can get the slide off -- want a month ago we sat here talked about Syria.
And -- 65%.
Of every demographic group told the president and the Republicans no bombing no going minister.
That's a month ago the people led the government's true.
Here we are a month later the people are saying get this damn financial things straightened -- we don't want shut -- we don't want debt ceiling defaults and all that.
The government is slow to come to this night.
This is only October of thirteen.
At this rate.
One more problem one more scandal one more something and that's thing is going to blow and the idea of a third candidate now.
We know having all been in politics.
How the candidate is the case if the candidate is good and articulates his status of dissatisfaction with credibility.
He or she can really -- -- more.
If there -- a fraud pretending to be upset not gonna work right pat him.
I think this is deserving at some -- -- your point is exactly we'll take it the whole show devoted to.
What the problems challenge for us as a whole thing of how to do this and whose importance not just -- candidate Christmas Day we have.
And our set aside and we do have -- -- a certain.
You might want to do.
-- -- on NASCAR alternative health turn.
On Idaho hello and -- -- -- last comic comes from someone called super -- says we've become lazy that says we need to pick up the slack can work for.
Here's the people aren't lazy the politicians -- Here's the point we've lost our sense of national purpose so as soon right -- it is on to something we have to talk about.
You don't one of the reasons we haven't seen what pat is talking about so articulately.
Is because there isn't a sense of where we need to go who we -- are.
Where -- an uncertain nation in very uncertain.
I have to remind his name and no offense to you -- but the end of the Carter years.
There was this drift in the country.
He really was the guy that re directed the country made the country feel good about itself may be we were due to get better economically.
All this really underlying -- all is a good economy get a good economy people earning good mode.
But but you know you may mean man does not live with -- but it won't really don't have -- it's pretty hard to live in Illinois it's the first criteria.
But after that off you know rent movies it's got to beat him off a car was met the man can live on when -- and protein along these guys are anyway.
Among parallels doesn't have much to worry about from you John but it's good advice -- -- affect.
But my my last point was look you which would -- it.
He needed sense of purpose in the country -- -- of what it means to view an American rather than you know my -- You know -- stop -- -- you know I'm tired of people have to look at their voter registration card to figure out what should their principles they believe in today.
Stop being Democrats stop being Republicans first and -- Americans starting a hyphenated America that's where our America America.
On that good note.
We're going to be back this weekend.
You'll hear about land.
Some talk on Sunday we hope to be with you and next Monday here 1030 with Doug hosting the show right in the meantime have a great Columbus Day and a great week.
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