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George said you know I like to talk about the republic of the so called.
Republican establishment George the floor is yours.
And my conservative friends who say that.
Real enemy is the Republican establishment -- the Democratic Party Obama administration -- news bulletin Republican Party establishment does not exist.
It died for convenience purposes you -- in 1966.
When its in house organ in New York Herald Tribune.
1940 -- Republican establishment so powerful it can manufacture Wendell -- -- -- nominated then there it was a 2% in the polls.
In May and June he's the nominee.
Of the Republican establishment the San Francisco convention tried to stop -- -- -- Ginned up the candidacy of Pennsylvania governor William Scranton.
Nothing happened Cold War programs Republican establishment doesn't exist Google it you'll get a thousand hits.
Google Loch Ness Monster you'll get but neither exists anymore.
Well but but let me just follow up for a second if you're a member of the Tea Party -- -- -- -- -- -- It -- camp Tim -- camp of of Kansas in da house.
How are you to regard.
That the leadership.
The chamber of commerce what what what did they think.
Those guys are which clearly are part of the Tea Party faction.
-- you -- Wall Street if you confront what Wall Street news or past the chamber of commerce if they think they run the Republican Party though to you no uncertain terms they have.
Virtually no influence on this.
Some who are those other guys.
With which other guys that the leadership.
-- money donor is the people who are supposedly so unhappy with where the Tea Party group bid -- last.
That they are participants and it multiplex.
Group of interest groups who -- Republican Party not one of which however dominates at the way.
The establishment did when it existed.
Well as -- that remark I think will Rogers that I I belong to no organized political party I'm a Democrat.
And I guess you can say that about the Republicans now but what's.
Interest he hears it all American political parties throughout history -- tried to be big tents big coalitions that bring in diverse interest and what's so striking about.
Your your power player interview and the whole discourse.
The we just type of people and you should watch say that our -- -- that Michael need my 31 year old had.
Eric Jackson who was one of the behind the scenes guys along with Ted crews out front who really pushed -- drive to make Obama carried the issue.
That is is theirs is -- discourse of purification.
Of making the tent smaller or at least having fewer people.
Inside of it on the on the theory that once you get it down to an ideologically pure.
According to present a stark choice -- -- -- win elections I think that's never really worked as a strategy in American politics.
There -- for this is this is an argument really think about it for the politics of subtraction.
Politics is not a best tracks since -- addition.
And when you were reading people out of the party accusing them or rattled movement if you accusing moving rhinos and establishment all the rest of -- Which is simply doing and telling them basically handled it well I have customers folks who don't know it's Republican in name -- I've been accused of being run -- my Twitter -- and indicate that a lot of people think that about me I'm confident they also think that George.
In my case -- -- -- a Republican is hard for me to be rhino but nonetheless there's days ago and this is.
And this is the kind of attitude they have and it will not in the end winning an election I know that the idea is Charles suggests is that if you get the party pure enough on these issues.
That the idea is that they espouse are so appealing.
That people will flock to by the millions and it will become the overwhelming majority party.
I'd like to think of a time in recent history when that's happened people cite Ronald Reagan but Ronald Reagan I think would be -- -- -- the party you -- right now by the do you think that Reagan would be -- -- were there were people within the ranks of Republican.
World back during Reagan's presidency.
-- felt he was not conservative enough that he gave -- too much.
Remember he raise taxes to help solve the Social Security -- remember that.
-- -- in the year after his big tax cut passed he signed what was -- that time the largest tax increase in history.
He did many many things which -- that according to current Republican orthodoxy were simply out of bounds yeah.
Let me -- -- -- under review and in the second -- let me ask both George and Brett this question I've heard some Republicans strategists suggest.
That where the Republican Party is now is may be where the Democrats were just before 1972.
And that it meant the party may need to go through the same experience of the George McGovern.
-- you know fly flat conservative flags flying get a disastrous political defeat 49 states and that's the only way you kind of solve this problem do you think.
First -- you see any historical analogy there and is that conceivable that's what this -- is gonna have to go for a.
I do see Simon I think the politics of addition by subtraction.
What the Goldwater people -- 64 and -- voted for her.
Was that a lot of conservatives -- the woodwork give them a proper candidate you know come out don't vote their argument was lot of potential Republicans weren't voting.
They were staying at home well.
We tested that hypothesis and what -- carried six states so I think but I think the Republicans have in the background the less a moment ago -- -- -- -- -- -- -- and will in fact.
Flinch from that on the other hand there are those who -- and and there's some truth to this.
But the Goldwater defeat was a creative ones because in fact sixteen years later they count of the votes finally and Reagan won.
And one bit.
Live -- to say that there's actually something that Republicans can take a lesson from right now and that's what democratic leaders on Capitol -- are doing.
If you look at the Democratic Caucus in both the senate and the house there are pretty stark divisions between -- at the -- someone like Chuck Schumer.
And Mark Prior and yet Harry Reid was able to rally.
Every single vote in the senate and -- -- close he was able to rally every single vote in the house for.
That shut down a debt ceiling agreement that just passed so I think that there are some lesson that you don't have to have.
Everyone lined up on every single issue -- have to be able to get the votes when account.
It's -- finally Julie.
The White House view of the Republican Party.
I did today.
Are they enjoying this stuff -- worry about it and an act that I wonder about their attitude about John Boehner and -- on the one hand.
They -- obviously -- the problems which is Boehner can't deliver what he.
Has promises and negotiations that he doesn't have control over his own caucus on the other hand if he were ever to be kicked out they could look back on the John Boehner today is as the got all -- Actually and that's what about ironies about this that you have a speaker right now who has proved it over the past two years that he can't really deliver on what he negotiates with the White House and yet.
I think the White House -- him to who ever would replace him if Republicans decided that they.
Wanted him out.
In terms of the politics one of the things that you do here which I think is actually.
An interesting point for the party to think about is a lot of the things that Republicans are talking about right now in the aftermath of that the shut down the debt ceiling fight is.
Very similar to what they were talking about at the end of last year after Mitt Romney lost the presidential election you know who controls the party how do we deal with.
What are seen -- media establishment or -- more mainstream Republicans and these Tea Party element.
Listen discussion that's been happening for a year I don't think they have a resolution to -- and the question will be.
Does that resolution -- in time for 2016.
Where does it have to happen after 2016 if you perhaps have another to -- All right thank you panel.
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