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First sent -- two segments inaugural segments with Harris Faulkner.
Last night -- all accounts of assessments.
Success and we welcome not only you were doing.
But your comments reactions.
Tweets that -- as we do of course today.
I I'd like to pick up where we left off.
John last night.
-- you set the stage.
For what is going to happen we've resolve the debt ceiling temporarily we've resolved.
He shut down temporal.
Where do we stand.
Well I think right now the focus this week Doug is going to be on obamacare the president speaking in the Rose Garden today about this computer disaster that's the web -- for Obama care.
They're bringing and other people to try to fix that that's gonna put the focus on an issue that doesn't help the president.
And if the Republicans hadn't done what they did the last two weeks they -- profit by this failure of obamacare but as we've learned today from a new CNN poll the Republicans really got -- lacked.
By their own behavior of the last two weeks and that is gonna dog them as they head towards -- budget conference in December.
Because I don't think they really know what to do.
For themselves and for the country they're really.
More loss than they were a year ago after the predators John.
Overstated the case I don't think so I mean them CNN -- this morning was a shocker -- If she'll be split with Republicans who wanted Boehner dumped as speaker an overwhelming majority of Americans don't put out the ones who wanted to bottom -- Mostly conservatives who don't I don't care -- the speaker of the house you're 4746.
-- -- -- should be dumped you've got a problem funeral part right.
And the other thing I was might even more shocking.
Was -- independents was overwhelming almost twenty point margin of people said they wanted that Republicans not to run the house anymore.
Last time my question was asked.
If he and fellow global majority was almost twenty points.
You can almost score what that means what that means chooses independence since -- Republican former Republican House 87%.
Democrats say they want the Republicans go and 87%.
So that kind of there are more Democrats from public.
Almost two to one -- right now they want the house taken from the Republicans that -- all dissipate and change.
-- right now would tell you how much damage that is that doesn't mean people want to have a chance to think about one party government.
But or or what but here is what John to emphasize with -- what do you you think.
These Republicans need to find each strategy for the next -- health care thing what they're gonna do they need me they need a policy in the strategy.
And we started to get in the last night about.
Well I would start first of all John I'm sure you know.
The definition of insanity.
Is doing the same thing over and over and expecting it never resolved if the Republicans keep doing what they're doing.
The results of the numbers probably be as bad as they work.
I think I want to underscore -- very historical sense.
The importance of the findings you were just outside.
And 2008 when the Democrats.
Took over the house.
Bottom line they had -- thirteen.
I think maybe fifteen point.
Advantage on the generic program controlled house if it's up twenty now would you -- among independents.
But but I I -- -- the overall unit.
But as opposed to the wire and it was about I want to Republicans or do we want to Republicans control the house of was and how he's gonna vote right here I understand -- let's take that it was as a broadly indicative -- in -- -- -- it is.
And it's five to seven points more than the generic vote in 2006 into that debate.
It suggests at least the possibility.
The -- -- possibility.
That the Republicans could well lose control the house control that until this to Bob Hope for them.
Something that was not -- apart is that fair job.
Yeah of course -- -- and and anybody who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves which -- the right seems to do they watch the second shows listen to the same talk radio.
And reinforce what they -- Had a very important point I want to underscore.
You said the same people who were doubling -- -- Ted Cruz with a woods who are absolutely convinced that Mitt Romney was voted president.
-- including people on this network and other networks all over the place.
And were saying no way is -- gonna -- on here they're saying all the guys gonna wind except for the three of us.
You know I think what's.
Important to understand.
-- what we try to do here.
And I think.
Pat -- certainly you -- have endeavored from west 1819 months to do this is both possible.
-- -- offer an analytical framework not.
None of us are supporters.
In our individual lives of obamacare all of us believe I think it's fair to say.
That the rollout which is being unsuccessful.
Was something we certainly protected.
But that being said I don't think there's one of us who believes that it defined strategy.
Makes any sense.
Snow is we have through through one of the tweets -- last night about what our columnist swept the white person apparently party.
We've been through with some of the -- trying to this is he -- should be banished from the lexicon.
For the first table future never be spoken again this was an unmitigated disaster because it once again to re emphasize.
And -- John's point.
This talking to each other these people would be in there are all little imaginary world bubble but this was good.
Please shut down my country in the government on something you weren't gonna win and then never vindication warned us but -- but like org.
Which we are you for some time there was a strategy.
They would've worked that would put the Democrats on the defensive and -- -- obamacare into an issue there with the rollout would have been a tremendous potential success.
The look back on that a -- -- realized Republicans still have no strategy.
But they also have in you this point came up last night and don't you made it -- and we should talk about this because we got a lot of tweets about.
Altman they don't have them they don't have a policy general public policy messer and health care in fact they -- positive message on events and.
Oh no no but that is not a policy be very has -- a question.
Company asked you the question from big victory for big -- directly comparison.
Would you like mr.
could go to -- a breach in Brooklyn.
Mean I don't get to question what you -- by the Brooklyn Bridge that I know what the thing is why would it here's why.
After three weeks Obama is going to speak today and tell us what went wrong -- with the Obama -- Rolla.
And if you believe that mr.
Ken doll I've got a bridge to so all right look I got to know about that -- -- many hearing the news this and yes I think there -- go.
Yes he is he should have been meals mobile missile ready.
He hasn't because Republicans -- -- is an issue.
He thrown away from the from most of October now.
In the end and -- -- -- -- due to funding instead of putting the focus on what I believe will be believed to delay.
-- outrageous congressional exemption which John Boehner was.
Was formed for humans against it and still for -- -- -- the same thing they -- -- it was a tragic but more importantly.
They need to have.
In a message that says or Obama -- that says there's an alternative there's a better way every month another couple months by the way I would like to ask you to question.
6 weeks from now by the end of December.
-- this rollout isn't any better they're calling -- every expert he's gonna have to delay it's not about technology it's about what people finding out this is costing them and how would step back and have you.
Heard the stories people find that their insurance premiums are going up by five times.
Or their policies are being canceled or their doctor won't accept -- new insurance all the things -- last Saturday.
Part time employment but we know they are below -- -- insurance a young person in New York State came to -- that the that's fun question which -- -- Broader applicability.
So why should I spend the money.
From one of these policies at this -- policy I don't mean that is far more expensive and -- report why should not -- -- in 95 dollar -- He -- going to be good -- -- a million new I think so because by the way that's rational economic behavior.
This whole thing is you're rational and insane and has been corrupted from the -- it was introduced and I said as you know we've sat together might have passed.
I said that night -- is a crime against democracy and the American people never accepted.
The Republicans however Baltimore both wait let me tell will be viewers out there -- true.
There are many Republican leaders went back like obamacare they're being buffeted by insurance companies drug companies and our -- it was a great benefit themselves and they have their own special benefit paid for by you.
And your leadership and -- Republican -- -- -- let's let's talk about that but I'll tell you there's an opening here for on health care for something much bigger and better if the Republicans don't want somebody else.
Let me change the conversation in the next few minutes to.
-- -- I was President Obama talked about us.
The shut down guy I think he's.
Diminished I think his first year of his second term hasn't been a waste he hasn't accomplished anything you try to do the Syrian bombing thing and that was told.
-- shut down by the country.
He's playing defense he's surviving because the Republicans look worse.
But any hopes to get a transformational.
Presidency that's now not happening.
He's not going in the history -- -- immigration reform.
He will not get immigration reform but he may get a another opening to nail Republicans again that's all you -- yeah Christian okay -- not getting -- -- reform is not gonna I don't political past winners.
All those what's his goal is he won't take the country as far left as he can bite administrative field.
You know running he has no it doesn't want legislation.
The only -- -- -- is that she can divide the Republican Party like immigration and hurt them to win in 2014 election.
The Democrats insane have been energized but I think the president his supper and by the way the real -- -- know what -- -- from us are quite as they wanna get rid of always people.
This looks great over the three.
Full screen -- number -- would be responsible.
-- crisis it was a question and it follows -- a little different wording from the Wall Street Journal poll.
That we should get rid of Bob when you vote on the about the get rid of everyone including -- congressman 60%.
When you're -- in the entire quote -- in the entire congress -- in this 7080%.
80% -- would keep the ball.
That's the choice what does that say to you that tells them what the numbers are saying on third party and everything else we -- that we are now -- -- Cost -- revolutionary moment.
In the question for -- is not about twenties.
It's including fourteen whether there will be candidates will come forward -- people come toward him.
To challenge the political class in the corruption in the incompetence of both political parties which are interest in -- -- only one thing.
Bettering their -- I said this before I say he can't know what I don't -- -- -- the American people -- actually they don't care about the country only -- well.
Unless I'm thinking.
About the Republicans the only -- Obama's accomplish nothing.
Since Obama -- was put in his president sailor has said it -- and to.
The Republicans have had one success.
Which is sequester.
This was some -- Republicans have always believed in cutting federal spending polls show people want to cut federal spending.
They got this sequester thing and it hasn't hurt the country.
And it's polling shows the public likes it now they're heading into another round of budget talks with the Democrats in December.
If they stick to their main admission which is trying to reduce the size of government.
Maybe they can have a little bit of a rebound percent think can work the public wants spending cuts in every fact.
Or will they bail out on that -- -- no -- web site.
By Ambrose burn side and sent him right if that's Mitch McConnell if they're -- like to all the holes are rendered through their children -- earnest thoughtful -- refugees -- word but let's McConnell labels surrendering he'll take about a broad like you got to two point nine billion billion dollar and instantly.
In the settled.
That in this settlement last week to reopen the government.
Amazingly what appeared and it was a two point nine billion dollar payment for some dams in Kentucky.
Which metro culminate in the press asked them did you put this in their bottom no I didn't put it.
Lamar Alexander his neighbor in Tennessee said now I put it and -- -- points.
There they all rub each other's back scratching each other's backs to help each other this thing I'm sure was the price of McConnell.
Leading the Republicans and is it.
The only thing you know -- and Joseph Biden interview room for three straight years K Scott -- Gives surrenders entirely give the footnotes are -- that -- we will be right back in.
About thirty seconds with more political insiders for John and pat don't show.
Good morning again and Doug shone with -- -- knowing.
Shuttle -- where we're political insiders and we're returning now and I would like to address.
Subject of -- -- we got last night the substance of them was well aren't you guys aware that there have been other Republican ideas on.
Health insurance other proposals such as purchased across state lines something I lose.
Last night and John I'm curious your reaction.
To our audience's question.
Well they -- they were in effect questioning whether you and Pat Knight -- you were aware that various Republican congressman and senators had made.
Good positive proposals which they have but that's not the same as having a unified.
Health care plan that the leadership in the house and senate or an -- -- -- -- -- there is not there is not and a -- that is there a lot of ideas floating out there.
We -- by people about them.
They should've gotten together put this thing in one package.
And had that be the Republican -- -- positive all learned -- Obama.
Barely made the three pillars of the that are reasons legged stool here that they don't -- -- right.
You have these house Republican policy and government policy conferences both house and senate but when we -- -- on the policy.
They have not coupled with a unified policy in 1970 -- Kemp Roth bill some supply side economics after a -- which -- -- -- HW bush described through economic.
Who later became for the first time the Republicans think positive ideas and help them in 1980 and -- in the -- and Marie became law.
I gave them something -- before.
But there is no policy here and we think there could be not only specific programs but a you know only a probe.
Preventive health care than what they don't have a plan that says this is our plan.
Number one number Q you have to have an -- You have to explain what it is -- you have to challenge what's going on which is why the delay should have been the -- should not be funding.
And third you've been have to have a political strategy that implements it -- your opponents the Democrats.
To react to it it makes it a campaign issue ultimate -- policy but when he election.
None none of those streets and what are on the on this on that let's not hit our -- on that point this is what really kills me I hear Tea Party people and I share their passion against all those status and their entire future on -- -- -- me but I I I'm not gonna attack them back because.
They are part of the big tent Republicans need to win and they brought passion on debt.
And against obamacare great but you gotta have a plan -- -- -- would you be in the Tea Party caucus.
-- -- -- in the house tomorrow -- I think I have a foot over there because I think I was Tea Party before there was tonight when I was anti establishment.
And I still -- And when I said last night that the Republicans need to be nice what I meant was they need to be.
Appear to be nice guys to carry out you know the thing about Obama empathy what Obama smiles.
People like them.
They don't know one but they think he's a nice guy who does have a mind you'll.
There could that -- Ronald Reagan Ronald and -- in Basel I was thinking if you go through every match up.
The nicer guy.
Usually on what appears to be the nicer guy once your got Jimmy Carter smiling nice guy he went Reagan nice.
Bush certainly appeared nicer then stiffed Al Gore George H.
Bush seemed nicer than -- deported to adult I would cities with it because the poll you've got the -- poll question you guys always have to ask is he cares about people like me.
Made it's -- fundamental thing in the right part of the problem for the -- let let me tell us and I really don't care what happens republic.
I think in the faster we get here about the Q what is your new alternative for the country that -- the country the tea parties apart but let me just say institutional.
The tea parties never faced the problem of growing up.
They had a third of the country for them in 2000 -- they've allowed some people to exploit and corruptly their consultants and they have.
Diddle around being look -- -- I didn't watch my -- point without learning how to grow up and be a political move my point -- -- right or wrong drug.
But I can't move my guy got off the point that's -- assessed that I hear -- all the times they've got to follow the constitution constitution constitution.
Constitution says you change things by passing a law in the house senate president sides -- right.
The idea that we couldn't.
Undo obamacare so what we're gonna do instead is at the last minute which -- shut the government down until Obama decides okay I'll get rid of the formal law.
That's not the way we run the country the constitution doesn't all for that well and he was right when he said win some elections.
Having lost -- -- and presidential.
But lost the senate that they should've had in 2000.
To allow people who -- his sixtieth vote to be elected senators again.
Reelected cripple the Republicans -- deep on strategy had no basis of one -- What you had to do was convince the country this was wrong if -- pursuit of our triumph strategy will blow insiders.
By our guys are terrorists don't -- changes -- no I had no exemption right -- wouldn't put the Democrats against global.
The delay would have killed that the -- by the oil on the -- or do you wanna win this are you just I wanna.
You just wanna have some kind of mental self abuse does whatever happened to the five scandals.
Pentagon by the way but always you don't you know how bad this has been -- so many Hillary Clinton that the Republicans -- given that way that this guy David Barack scrapbook calling it any.
What a total -- -- all the -- a big help.
No the fact is -- not only give up on health care.
They have and what by John Boehner who's -- we've got to him but as I keep saying by the shortage of our.
This guy they've abandoned the -- is these scandals.
That would really hurt they almost incomparable IC should put party they beat all of the stupidest -- -- can help is much.
Europe nowadays it is an option -- it is.
Pat you're suggesting your characterization.
Of -- Bob Williams is stupid.
Was I don't when my two months they -- what's your characterization of the Democrat corrupt beyond belief.
Punts are bugs have you know some they get away I don't right.
All parties involved -- assume for the Democrats understand we don't -- they work around Republicans weren't stupid.
But don't -- pretty -- -- that I think is saying what -- live meeting.
Doug character -- -- the republic had all the power on -- bush in the White House house and senate.
And he wanted to pass prescription drug -- through the house he ordered.
Doctor McConnell the head of Medicare to lied to the house about how much it would cost as -- note.
The truth came out they wouldn't pass it but so they lied to their on party in the house.
And establishment which is awful and bad is it in worse in my opinion more we've -- insurgents.
The problem is how about something different and I don't even say if you have got one party the Republicans will die.
If they're not going to be a legitimate opposition and all -- didn't change.
But the Democrats I cannot I mean how can you not have enjoyed this manna from heaven.
That's his lawyer if you keep the game -- you -- that we should speak through stuck inside the tent poles of these two part yeah I think what.
I have seen through my experience trying to.
Break the hold those two parties.
It is not so much that the people have the people the voters have any problem of alternatives that like Walters.
Even -- -- Aren't happy with the alternative as an alternative they like.
Multiplicity of choice but what I had underestimated -- I mean you're alluding to it.
Is the fact that the political class the two parties -- agree on nothing.
Do agree on doing everything possible to change the rules rigged the game.
To keep outsiders out.
So there are only choices two choices so what does it do -- duopoly and so.
As a citizen and you look at tweedle dum and tweedle dumber.
Yes and by the way in these people are so determined to keep their power privilege -- -- I person might personally but I know what's form.
He's that they would let the country go on -- admirable.
-- they would like to -- did you guys say that the Richmond times dispatch.
Refused to endorse anybody for governor down there they did none of the above to -- -- an endorsement -- -- -- -- across.
Couldn't -- courage and -- -- and that's the independent guide me not him either so they said none of the above.
Don't do we should put the polls up on that race.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- In -- Virginia governor's race.
Terry McAuliffe in the real clear politics average is ahead by about eight points over constitutionality.
Republican attorney general.
I think part of that is that coups and always -- is more corrupt.
Then don't call seamless model and I'm sure originally because of the governor all the gifts and probably what's right and williams' -- taking care stick 181000.
So so I and it will -- come back to that as Election Day and that.
18 point gender gap in that race because the Republicans in Virginia went way overboard with vaginal probes and all this stuff.
Yeah well -- -- add on that note we will conclude for today I am.
Doug -- we'll be back 730 on the Fox News Channel on Sunday same time.
That's Monday here I'm Doug -- for pat to -- -- -- the -- Larry we are political insiders thank you for joining us everything thank you job.