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I'm Alex knows what -- welcome back doctor Gordon clinging to rid of the really good connection this time a former navy chaplain.
And the graduate of the air force academy now motivational speaker also running for office in Colorado Springs that -- running for state senate.
State representative yes in our -- so it is Gordon for Colorado dot com.
All right and as you know you get to a lot of reaction certainly from -- on my -- of the plate by some of the things you say.
Earlier this month.
You had this to say about.
Christians being forced to participate in the -- of game.
Sodomy will always be ascend in the eyes of god but now they wanna force Christians to participate in this and -- are forcing us at the point of the government -- You participate in -- -- sent in if we Christians don't participate in their sodomy.
And we can be sued.
And -- how are they forcing you to participate -- there's economy.
Well thank you for this opportunity -- and as Ph.D.
in theology I have controversial opinions from time to time because I do believe the Bible.
And the Bible defiance -- of me a certain way and I -- American law amid defiance sodomy a different way -- when I speak from a biblical perspective.
I believe that.
Homosexuality is a sense.
And the Bible teaches that in the old testament and in the new testament Jesus in Matthew nineteen define marriage as -- built between one man and one woman.
And so as an adherence and someone you know many of my faith community believe.
That the marriage should only be between.
One man and one woman.
When the government comes in to a Christian home or into a Christian.
Business which is owned by.
A person who professes.
Not to believe in homosexual -- and when the government says.
You must participate in this or you must bless this.
A participant how how are you -- forced to participate in anything -- day summit if you have a place a public accommodation.
-- let's say you're running a bed and breakfast right that is a place republicans' nomination.
You can't say.
You can't come here to my business but Fischer black -- you can come -- my business Fischer gay.
And that's you come off saying well you know gays gonna force should let you into -- let them in the -- asked to have sex.
Not really if you have a private home nobody's coming to your house to forced sex upon you in your house right.
Well you're describing the the case that actually happened to a Christian couple in the UK Peter hazel very -- Are now being evicted from their home.
-- haven't -- and breakfast right and they they can we're running a business right.
But -- this is not this is not US law by the the seven in the UK.
The -- but if you're having a business.
You can't discriminate.
This is not as if if you have a private home that is not a business days -- -- knock on your door and demand to use your bedroom to populated that's just not gonna happen right.
Well actually in their case they didn't discriminate against -- is what they discriminated against was any couple heterosexual or homosexual.
Who was not lawfully.
Merrill writes -- what's really bad days.
That's right then and when they when people would come in they would say are you staying with your wife and you know distant all we're not married they said -- will offer you two different.
What does that have to do with games.
Well in this case they worsened by a gay couple who was nothing but it could have been a straight couple the point is not a gay issue you've made it into war.
Well it is in Colorado where the Christian business owner Jack Phillips who owns a bakery.
In Denver Colorado.
Was ordered ended up being persecuted and prosecuted by -- Colorado attorney general for violating Colorado law because in the civil unions act the just passed the Democrat legislature there are no religious exemptions.
Get well -- is -- if you have a place of public accommodation.
You can't say no Jews can come in no blacks in command.
Yeah I'm -- refused to serve gay people.
You can't do -- Eminem anti discrimination -- this country you know if you don't believe that we should not discriminate against other people of a particular background sexual preferences or skin color.
Well religion is a little bit higher than that because what they're ordering him to do is participate in a religious ceremony.
That he cannot in good conscience.
Worship alongside of them while participating in their wedding ceremony by -- their wedding cake and delivering it to their ceremony so.
The religious aspect of this could be like Elena is if you as as a Jewish -- were ordered by the -- to take a Catholic communion.
And now it's the same thing is that -- a matter of fact I go to church and my wife who is Catholic all the time in announcing communion nobody for but -- -- not even the same thing.
Running for office because I want to oppose the homosexual.
Then we're done you you -- so if you wanna take would you believe should be the law of what went biblical law is as you interpreted and make that the law of the land as a legislator.
Is it your -- to take Christian theology and make it law.
No in fact it's the opposite I want to defend the First Amendment of the constitution which protects freedom of religion or freedom to opt out of other people's religious practices.
So when when the homosexual theocracy is being imposed by the state of Colorado with the government -- upon people of faith.
Then that they're the figure -- and and I'm trying to say that's just not.
You're making statements like like when you say that Christians being forced to participate gay sodomy Fisher -- -- No you to imagine something happened -- England that's not here you mentioned -- in Colorado.
Which is a place a public company should nobody is forcing.
You to participate in sodomy and that's a really amiss directive states.
Well here's another example in Iowa there's a mennonite couple.
Betty and Richard -- guard who have a chapel building that they use for church services and they went -- out to people who.
Use they're private property for church weddings.
And they refuse to.
Do that for -- homosexual couple because it is their own private property.
And other being forced to rent out their church to homosexual couple even though it's.
But not obviously a place of public accommodation these homosexual rights commissions are now taking the place of courts these all over Canada.
We're pretty well again we're not -- and even talking about Canada's the United States -- you can you bring up other countries and you weren't even -- the Latin America and you're also instilling in America but you're -- -- fear people argue -- -- -- -- look at the gays are doing.
Look at I mean this is the politics of fear.
Reporting the news it's a liberal media who doesn't -- liberal media.
On the little medium put -- How about that another Lillian has little guy with a show but I.
What about obamacare causes cancer -- -- -- come from.
Well four point nine million Americans have now lost health care insurance since President Obama was elected working class Americans between aged.
25 and 64 are losing health care insurance at a record pace hundreds of thousands of people this week -- -- cancellation letters from their health care insurance just.
And hundreds of thousands of people are registering for obamacare by the way at the same time.
Not because 570000.
Dollars and we need to catch -- 500000 point nine million a mere.
That's only been in place for two weeks so it's been 500000 people and the website simply does not work and that's really screwed up when you called you and -- probably agree that's a disaster but.
You know you want to focus on one side of the story.
Not about people being cancel and not talk about the other side of the story is a half a million people.
Are signing up for -- -- and are getting covered so and plus obamacare covers a number of the things that previously did not have a few health care plan.
And other and it covers a number of people in previous doesn't -- everybody we should have.
Universal health care in this country -- we don't let obamacare covers a number of people who were not previously covered something you conveniently.
Leave out of your argument.
You know our our charity pays for widows and orphans and we provide health care services nursing services we paid for people.
To go and care for these people that are being dropped by the Obama administration being fired.
When -- insurance premiums double or triple and they can no longer afford it.
I just talked to a man last -- Tuesday elderly wife is she had a stroke and now she just got a cancellation letter in the mail saying.
Oh -- you get a go to the obamacare web site which doesn't work they tried to sign up 300 dollars extra per month.
What are well there's an -- red states in red states where they've refused to participate where they put every over every roadblock they cut.
Where they -- do everything to stop people from registrant.
Where they don't want to participate fully in the exchanges which is the kind of competition conservative usually talk about it.
Yeah where where we have a Colorado exchanged it does participate.
How many how many choices are there in the exchange I mean you're you know you're among other in places.
That have also stop people and and everything we could to stop people from participating.
How about Obama starting a an atheist army.
Well there seems to be wave of the persecution it is going through the military you're seeing people like tech sergeant Wayne Wilson in -- -- -- -- -- reprimand for simply emailing a chaplain.
That he doesn't you know want to share that Protestant chapel alternative it's desecrated by.
Homosexual weddings until letter of reprimand for that -- about -- -- -- -- what month it like when air force base.
In San Antonio Texas -- He got he was read his Miranda rights and is now being persecuted because he would match.
Obeying his lesbian commander in light of villains -- who ordered him to re educate one of his subordinates about how -- -- marriages to win eight point eight don't.
To the repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell when they voice -- religious opinion.
When you when you are in the military you do reports your commander you don't have the same kind of free speech unfortunately writes in the military you would have.
And normally like I can't go to my boss and tell him things I might be thinking -- probably get fired so in fact is when you're in the military as you know you don't give lip.
To your -- commander or two years superior.
And that's the way it works you know that having been in the military yourself.
Other difference obviously between lawful orders and unlawful.
Well -- you don't get to decide what's lawful and unlawful.
Sure you do you every every officer or non -- officer has a moral responsibility to know the law and if they double order you to divorce your wife you must -- -- -- -- -- -- -- off -- -- You must do so.
Well whether that's out what happened -- and you know add there -- there's no atheists army being formed by President Obama -- -- chaplains like you used to be in the armed forces there are very religious people.
In the military said the say that there's that Obama's trying to dig you know create an atheist army again.
Is a very alarmist way of expressing your discontent with some of the decisions.
That have been made the you don't particularly like.
Well that's not true because almost all the Democrats in the house including the president have -- backed this -- program promoting atheist chaplains in the military.
What's -- having an atheist -- what is Chaplin you should you can't -- an atheist have someone to talk to as much as someone whose religious they're not taking away.
Chaplains from religious people they're adding on and we won't think if they're taking religious chaplin's away that's not happening but simply to say we're also give advisors.
To people who do not have faith.
They're not taking anything away from those who don't.
Well minority have secular psychologists.
To potential and -- Where were they taking away they're taking nothing away from religious members of the military.
Who want chaplains and talked to -- not happening.
Well it's funny when I was a chaplain I -- -- atheistic emptied my Bible study we had no quickens in -- you know say the evening prayer and you know right -- I'm all for freedom of religion or -- religion but you don't qualify as a chaplain if you can I get a fully accredited three year master's degree in your re.
Russia and the point is that not taking anything away from people who are religious in the military there early any on to those who may not -- but doctor claims and I do appreciate your coming on the program as always tonight.
Yelled -- people would support my candidacy at least -- it Gordon for Colorado dot com thanks for your time.
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