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And outcomes and what -- like a judge ended a volatile -- a -- news senior judicial analyst.
And as it seems like it gets worse every single.
Permission by Edwards -- about what the NSA is enough to -- -- its interest in the first round thank you for imagery -- it's it was a pleasure.
I was kidding that I can more by the office of your producers and mumbling and grumbling how to stir the -- -- -- -- -- -- I'm with you it's it's -- -- -- the benefits of working here and having an office -- -- -- Q and your wonderful team.
It's interest saying that none.
Of snow -- revelations not a single one has been denied.
But the government and when the first one came out which showed an order by -- is -- court judge directing Verizon to surrender meta data just basically billing information.
About a 113 about.
About its 113.
Million American customers.
Who reluctantly said the evidence so we're doing well now we know that that wasn't -- the tip of the iceberg was barely a a footnote the latest revelations richer and I were talking of -- -- before the show came on.
Was that the NSA was probably spying on the Pope when he was a cardinal when he was in the conclave -- -- the conclave of cardinals.
Actually was being broadcast to somewhere in -- Utah or wherever they sit now I don't know if Utah facility is -- completed.
So that NSA spies could listen what was being there was actually listen we -- in real time was as metadata or we win we don't know but again it snowed this correct and hasn't been denied that the NSA.
They capture the digital information they don't always listen to it in real time.
But it's available to them with a couple of a clicks on their computers will abide by way -- they respect nothing.
What when you think about it.
If they're spying on Merkel.
And she's talking to President Obama from his so her cellphone has despite and the president of the united we believe -- -- -- he's gonna have to tomorrow about that spying on the president.
It's unclear whether an issue should be pretty upset with the United States right now well I think she is pretty upset with the United States because you know that that the she uses herself on more than our land line -- -- -- -- got a lot of us.
She is that it took to her husband and her family the leaders of her political party in the leaders -- government -- also use it to talk to foreign leaders.
For the NSA.
Two to happen to her cell -- and capture everything she says including what she is said to president George W.
Bush and president Barack Obama.
Means that those two presidents either didn't know or intentionally or authorize the NSA to spy on them and that is -- asinine.
It's criminal -- -- -- they knowingly revealed state secrets to NSA agents or not qualified to hear them.
They -- not all NSA agents.
Have security for everything and the president can release what he wants but he's got a release it.
In an official way can't release it by accident at the president forgets that when he's talking to -- -- his own spies are listening.
The president is committing criminal -- -- I I wanted -- prison even knew about this of these rogue agents within the NSA or was this authorized by the that the president and if so would there be hit Oregon well this is almost like how many angels are on the -- -- -- which is worse.
But gross negligence.
Unleashing a rat's nest of spies.
Aura medical maniacal.
Micro manager -- lies about what he knows.
That is not a good choice -- hobson's choice.
What about the argument that other countries are probably spying on us for that justify -- meeting it is fair game.
-- could understand.
-- spying on Vladimir Putin or the president of China when they're in Washington.
I -- -- except to the concept of spying on Angela Merkel when she's in her office and -- she's in her home.
In Berlin that is just beyond the pale and it's a violation of German lauded its -- the people who did it.
To request for extradition and prosecution or arrest and prosecution should they be in the European Union leader James Sensenbrenner of Wisconsin was part of -- one of the.
-- the Patriot Act now once actually clamp down on the NSA and at the even Dianne Feinstein who seem to have been an NSA fan of one point.
Democrat of California saying you know we want accountability now but that of the -- are out of the barn by this point right.
Well what we do the other horses are out of the -- there's a very very serious effort.
To pull back on the -- on the NSA I mean sensenbrenner legislation.
Has also been introduced by.
The Vermont Democrat from Verizon chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee I mean there's there's this substantial.
Across the board support for a sensenbrenner was also involved.
With congressman just -- -- much the young libertarian.
And congressman John Conyers the the liberal lion 26 term congressman from Detroit.
This part of the NSA.
The part that gets they they search warrants without probable course the part that -- the general search warrants and the dragnet we all know that we need spies.
But we need -- consistent with the law and the constitution if the constitution was written to do anything -- it was to prevent a dragnet and -- general warrant a general warrant does not name.
The person or place to be searched receives suggest authorizes the bearer to search where he wants for whatever he -- that's been outlawed -- 1789.
So who's culpable here.
Bush is culpable Barack Obama's culpable the members of the senate.
And house Intelligence Committees -- been informed of the stuff in secret and haven't had the courage to reveal -- the floor of the and congress are culpable.
The judges on the -- -- -- look I've argued it's not a real court.
Because they are performing judicial function under the constitution a judicial function is to resolve a case or controversy.
When a judge here's just one site in secret life as though no testimony has no issue before and has no adversary the judge's opinion as meaningless as work or her work is just -- rerouted on Tuesday time you saw the two page order signed by the federal judge on the -- -- -- court.
About that -- And right what went well I saw that I knew a couple of things immediately I -- one that it was a real court order that -- didn't make this up.
And I knew too that Snowden had a document which the judge who signed it didn't -- how -- -- that.
Because the -- is a court rules prohibit that judges.
From keeping records of the orders that the issue that's a secret it's in every tradition chamber in the country judges have -- -- Look books are full time employees of the government there recent law school graduates they work for you for 12 or three years guess who -- -- certifies a court.
And SA agents.
Get the ILS are NSA to guess who filed the documents NSA agent -- were the only ones -- -- -- judges.
And SA agents guess who -- the pins people's papers briefcases blackberries ipads and iphones of the judges -- -- -- in the court asked NSA agent what tech kind of -- court.
You gotta wonder.
Really is this is this a part of our government really -- control of the three branches as we know it is out of control because of secrecy.
You know the great disinfectant.
Of government is -- And and not just as when when people.
Observation and they change on account of being observed.
When the government operates in secrecy.
It changes because it's the secrecy expedience rapidly.
It does whatever it wants to and does whatever can think -- thinks it will get away with because no one will know about it -- seems to extend beyond political party we know that the Merkel.
Spying began the Bush Administration continue the Obama administration to -- president millions are no but it seems to transcend.
The left right -- and and and it transcends both political parties it transcends the left right paradigm it does not transcend.
A civil liberties paradigm I am gratified.
That civil Liberty's defenders from across the board and in both parties are coming together as they rarely happening think about it just and a -- John Conyers I don't think -- agreed -- everything in the years they've been and -- Dianne Feinstein or James Sensenbrenner right right -- except this.
Yes -- -- Feinstein does not agree with sensenbrenner Feinstein has a proposal.
Which would not be as aggressive as sensenbrenner is but still her proposals more aggressive than what Keith Alexander the -- -- the NSA want to get sensenbrenner the Patriot -- -- -- which is one of the most of them -- violation if you -- -- claims that the Patriot Act was never written to authorize.
Behavior as unconstitutional.
As an -- massive.
As and -- secret is that so we see incidents.
Does it well we'll see him into it if the president is forced to sign a budget because includes everything else that he has to have.
That severely cuts to the NSA or limits what they can spend money and yes yes we could see an end -- this as soon as February.
If there's enough outrage in both houses of congress are so that's the case judges always I thank you very much for a -- thanks for having inherited in a volatile.
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