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Good morning I -- Chris -- -- and here are your buzz cuts from Fox News first off the top.
No wonder they won't release the numbers Kathleen Sebelius and president -- said they want to wait a little bit.
Little bit before they share the numbers of people who have signed up four insurance subsidized and otherwise through.
Obamacare portals well we know why maybe because -- revelation from.
A Darrell ice -- house oversight committee says that six human beings six human beings.
Were found to have signed up on the first today.
And they were still in the couple hundred range.
On day three that is not a good sign I don't know a lot about math but I think there's a lot of difference between that.
In the seven million folks that the administration.
Is targeting before the enrollment period closes.
At the end of march.
Speaking of signing up for obamacare number 20 obamacare for Christmas -- Both both old.
Organizing for action action action president Obama's.
Permanent campaign operation.
-- launched a new effort called health care for the holidays.
This includes tips on how to get family members to sign up.
For the new entitlement and to develop strategies for and introducing obamacare into the holiday conversation.
Be persistent but be positive the website says.
Power play would submit that this is a good way to have your uncle yell at you during Thanksgiving dinner.
Up next Rand Paul says the NSA probably spies on Obama what's up with that.
Rand Paul trying to national review online said that now that he thinks about it the NSA probably is eavesdropping on President Obama -- supposition that would be kind of chilling.
And would talk about.
What is different between having a knowing -- a knowingly eavesdropping president and and unknowingly eavesdropping president that issue continues.
To simmer daily about this you've heard about this but it's and we got to mention it.
William Daley former White House chief of staff says.
Yeah they looked -- dropping Joseph Biden sheriff Joseph from the ticket but.
They decided that Hillary wasn't gonna give -- much of a boost.
And he said they were the campaign was in such awful shape he.
-- Jonathan Martin at the New York Times that they had to look at everything.
And last but definitely not least.
Tell -- to sober up bless his heart Ben Jones.
He played cooter on the dukes of -- of courts.
A he is not the -- in question here cooter brown.
It's a question here and southerners like to say that someone was drunk or he or she was -- than cooter brown.
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But you'd have all of that and so much more fewer subscribers to Fox News first go ahead and make it happen at Fox News politics dot com but we're gonna do it all right now because its power -- And more people are successfully buying these new plants online than they were a couple of weeks ago.
And I expect more people being able -- by conveniently on line.
Every single day as we move forward.
Setting a low bar for oneself President Obama and his speech it annual all in Boston.
In which he said that more people are signing up for the new health insurance entitlement.
Then they were before.
But if you start at six.
That's pretty easy to do this is power play.
Hi Internet happy Friday and I'm wearing an act I don't -- OK it's just so nice and here I don't like that now I don't I don't want to mess it up.
-- not that Josh cross our executive editor of national journal's hotline is messing anything up by being -- less.
I'm not trying to set and in an impossible factions standard it's Friday felt like I was going to you -- yeah that is when -- Israel that's what -- are all about Internet exactly work.
We're totally -- -- damn so the discussion in Washington today is basically this.
Democrats met with the chief of staff.
Denis McDonough and yelled at him.
And said your website it's terrible and -- upsetting us and voters are anxious.
And you can tell it was bad because what -- -- it was badly to where the state of mind is because Democrats all come out and basically ran and found the closest reporter.
To say we really yelled at him and were very upset the front page New York Times has the story.
What is present gonna do to keep Democrats from being so.
-- -- doesn't have many options he's dependent on that.
Expertise -- signs into the ability -- very very short amount of time to get that health care dot gov website at some level working order.
And politicians are all about self preservation.
And when you see red state Democrats and even sleep state Democrats -- senator Jeff Berkeley.
Was one of the more surprising critics out of that meeting.
It shows that the politics of health care turn against the Democrats and your 12014.
You're trying to find.
Any way possible that distance yourself from the administration and distance yourself from this really bad health care -- So there's been much talked about this week about.
The IRS memo that confirmed that the administration knew that millions would be put off their insurance that was a big -- -- this smoking gun kind of thing.
But there is something else here and that is the fact that the president.
And Democrats democratic leaders told anxious.
Rank and filers this is going to be OK when we get the roll out -- We're going to be fine people are gonna start receiving the benefits.
Obamacare is gonna go from an electoral negative to an electoral positive -- -- -- -- that the doubling of the negative of the gap.
Of the negative gap in the Wall Street Journal poll for assessments of -- -- -- when -- -- 80% in the Kaiser poll.
And then you see the president going to his lowest job approval rating.
This is not.
They're not making good on their promise to Democrats to help him out on obamacare.
These -- tangible impacts that voters are experiencing.
More than past scandals which deal with serious issues Libya -- -- for example or you know some of the issues facing -- -- but they don't affect.
That many Americans personally help preserve personal issue and what people are getting these cancellation notices and there.
Personal health care is being affected finally it was a big numbers have been presented out of the voting Republican Tony foretaste.
Actually because -- if I let people who are going to go and buy individual insurance.
You're talking about.
Stakeholders should talking about people who are likely to vote -- -- talking about people.
Middle class America right this is the use of these.
Our that it is if people could figure out their subsidies that would attract people below certain income level of the swing voters the middle class voters that are often the deciding factor in many many elections are being impacted and and being affected.
The most that in a negative fashion.
And never forget.
Never forget and -- knows this I know because I read what he put in the almanac of American politics that's pretty sweet.
But is this.
That for that mom is overwhelmingly.
Make the health care decisions in America for households.
And it turns out that that's also the swing demographic for every big election Wal-Mart moms is definitely -- easily suckered on that all our moms.
Coupon mom's whatever you want whatever you want to call but these are on the bubble these are middle class moms.
And the NBC Wall Street Journal poll we we -- we talked about it.
About how Obama's numbers are going down but one of the big reasons for that decline is suburban women is the women that voted for him 2012.
Now they're looking at what's happened with Obama to roll out and they start to have second that said.
Some questions and doubts.
Voters -- to America to Washington c'mon dude c'mon.
Your -- question Joseph mansion and other Democrats are trying to get a a vehicle for something out there.
I posit they need something -- do the administration and Democrats need something to say we're listening we're engaged we're -- the problem what can they did I mean what are they gonna end up with.
-- -- Mary -- democratic senator from Louisiana proposing.
A provisions shouldn't have proposed legislation -- just trying to get something that would allow -- -- policies to be grandfathered -- In a way that they weren't wearing -- -- that that's not gonna happen and it what you're seeing it is that your hand in the politics the run up against the policy.
A lot of these feel good policies that both Republicans and in red state Democrats are supporting would -- current crisis fiscal crisis with with the foundations of the lots so the -- doesn't have many good options other than getting this website up and running -- -- can at least get people signed up.
On the individual.
Exchanges but they -- do that by November period I don't believe and political crisis we didn't really serious fiscal earth.
A good time it's O Josh good time here always at the camp good news right always a beacon of hope and optimism here Jeffrey thank you for making time for us -- Our -- Internet we're gonna take a quick break but when we come back spy games.
You pop pop the Pope this election is reputed.
Putative played eavesdropped on by the National Security Agency.
They say they don't target.
But the we don't target but happened to hear everything.
Is rubbing some people the wrong way.
And that would do administration now says that they have directed them to quit accidentally eavesdropping.
On people a place like the World Bank.
And other gatherings of global bigs.
The international consequences what about politics here -- -- could be -- will have to people who can talk about that.
When we come back.
So stick around.
And that is his holiness.
If -- Catholic Pope France this there in Rome.
And it was his selection known to be even before these smoke went up the chimney by listeners at the National Security Agency.
Some say yes and when they denied they deny the way that they do which is to say we're not target -- Seeing him.
But what about all that this is power play welcome back and welcome.
Back to every single one of our very favorites here want to viewers to Internet she is the president yesterday -- strategy she is Democrat she -- -- -- and she is espoused to the dean of the house Democrat John -- also appropriately at Michigan -- -- -- Are you it's great -- -- here and I think I can say and perhaps she will correct me if I'm wrong but this is the first ever power play appearance by Monica Crowley.
Is that true Monica tends TrueCrypt.
Do you -- having him very excited.
-- -- -- I should point out that aside from being -- Fox News contributor and columnist -- the author of what the police just happened we've been trying to fill in the -- but.
Monica welcome thank you for having me Chris great okay so.
So I was just -- -- deadly rocket that before we got started that this is a topic that I never know.
What a guest is going to say on this topic of an essay in -- -- dropping it cuts across political lines.
You know you've got.
You a universe where conservative Republicans on most issues.
And Liberal Democrats.
Find alliance on this where you find strange bedfellows indeed.
Let's start with the baseline Monica what's your take.
It's an interesting subject because across as so many different.
Issues and and lines on those issues so on the one side you have national security -- -- That may be at stake which is the original argument we heard from the Obama administration that they were engaged.
In domestic surveillance as well as international surveillance because they were trying to keep tabs on potential terrorism potential terrorist activity.
So that's what you see a lot of conservatives -- a lot of folks coming out of the Bush Administration like Michael Mukasey to former attorney general and so on a Donald Rumsfeld.
Other saying look this is entirely appropriate because we do have nationally in security interests that we have to protect.
On the other side there -- deep privacy concerns here and I actually don't think that they are mutually exclusive I think you can arguing and this is what I've been arguing.
-- yes some surveillance is in fact appropriate in the United States has.
Our concerns and we need to be able to get to follow leads where we can get them and look out for any kind of threats that are coming our way.
On the other hand you can also argue that and be deeply skeptical about a program that is not just looking at the -- although not quite sure what they work.
What they thought they might hear from the Pope.
But deeply skeptical about engaging in spying on an international leaders which lets face it everybody does so this kind of phony outrage coming from Europe is ludicrous all right.
But that and weakness in Hollywood is buying domestic spying on American citizens which is a whole different kind of ball game.
You can be deeply concerned about dot kind of spying as well so it's it's more about Morgan -- issue than anything else.
So -- In that in the span.
I don't know forty years.
Predicated most and what they were able to pick up on wiretaps.
And eavesdropping posted FBI agents were able to pick up.
And no Republican or Democrat could mess with him because he knew too much about too many people.
Rand Paul raises this question about well if they expire on on -- -- and they say they don't target her.
But in fact what they do is that if she's talking to someone who they do have to target the leader of another country who's on the naughty list.
They happen to get the call is what is the suggestion.
That possibility of eavesdropping on the leaders here in the United States including the president himself and leaders in congress is very -- -- I get eastern I think it predicted great to have -- plane issues she did didn't check and I totally agree with her in every single aspect.
I think that we do care about national security and for some time I think a lot of people didn't -- to kind of -- trusting kind of -- we -- in a CIA that they need to be able to do there where we want to keep this country safe.
On the other hand.
Anybody who thinks that their personal life -- private life.
It's absolutely night cap and I think we can all scream we cannot say that I mean I remember -- somewhat was being passed.
A couple of years that's sitting in the house standing and screaming -- people do you understand to giving being -- your medical records.
And it passed out of the game they paid attention or care we are skewed it there is nothing about your life that anybody wants to find.
Can't find and I don't how you control it because you can try to get busted.
Try to control it it it ain't gonna work.
So monitor what's the solution there is I mean that this is not as we just have demonstrated a particularly partisan or rigidly ideological issue.
What's the fix is it to -- Well I you know I want to agree with Debbie on this as well that -- we may have I'm not sure but we may have reached the point of no return where you really don't have any real privacy.
The question is how far should the government should go.
In looking into your business and it.
Remember one of the reasons why President Obama was elected in 2008 and there were many but one of the big reasons was.
As a reaction to perceived over reach by President Bush in national security and and elsewhere.
And now this is a president that not just retain the surveillance but expanded it and now Americans are being looked at as well by the government so I think there's.
I if I think we're just at the earliest stages of this debate and you -- -- Rico.
I'm not sure I mean I think it will take huge public outrage.
For any kind of reaction by the government under any president have actually roll this back because once you pointed out.
Once the government house back control and can sink into your personal lives and use that information for god knows what purposes.
I think the public reaction to that public outrage is going to have to be necessary to -- -- try to actually -- back.
Is and anyone listening says this it is Obama -- in the newspaper that the NSA is monitoring him to.
That place will be swamped with Secret Service people PS an -- I think you're doing a great job.
And I guess I would say this and and this is the alarming thing that happens and that concern in America used to be about a a self reporting state that of the nation of video cameras and there'd be no privacy and that was a big area of discussion in the ninety's.
But if there's nobody to report it to it sort of doesn't count.
The concern here.
Is is and anyone listening.
That you end up with that situation where no one is free that the president isn't free even the president is is an even trade.
To act because someone else knows everything about him.
And that he -- privacy is crucial number one for people not to go crazy.
It is necessary for people feel that some of some space is private but also so the people connect with -- with autonomy right.
We about the Iraqi.
How you keep their privacy is -- real challenge because.
It's in every aspect of your life we almost have to teach people how they keep.
There are documents private from removing when you're in a cell phone you can be -- any moment people have access to medical records to your bank records here.
Home mortgages your payment your credit payments in the sneaking it's a secret.
All right -- question.
What's the in terms of -- even if there is an ultimate solution beyond people dealing with this themselves and all of that.
In terms of the ratio here about the privacy is lost vs the security game.
How far off the -- are you give us a percentage or something how far off the beam -- Wie would you side.
Well look at personally I tend to err on the side of national security I don't want to see any Americans get hurt or killed because we were paying attention are we were monitoring real threats.
For me the line is.
The over reach in terms of watching domestic.
Domestically watching American citizens and -- Debbie is a 100% right about this.
You mentioned about leadership and and our leaders our president's regardless of who they are being able.
To have if the openness and the flexibility it's how these conversations with their aides and make tough decisions.
My old boss President Nixon for whom I worked during the last years of his life -- remember he -- a taping system in the White House.
Which essentially did him and right and know what our American president after that wanted anything to do web taping systems or anything else for posterity.
-- if they know now that they're being watched or listened to by the NSA -- by god knows you know that's gonna have a chilling effect on decision making and so on so it's not just us and our personal lives worried about this lack of privacy.
But it's also our leadership and their ability to have honest and open conversations with their -- and with foreign leaders.
Monica there is no chilling effect on our order an appreciation.
For you having made IRS today we thank you very much -- my pleasure my pleasure thank you so much press our identity we stick around for a minute there's -- -- -- like to go over with you -- -- in your permanent record time we're gonna do a quick break but when we come back much more and more fun for you to stick around.
Time to delay of this it's time to fix this before it gets any worse.
That was a speaker of the house and John Boehner from Ohio.
At a press conference earlier this week saying it's time to delay or fix or some thing with Obama -- in this -- power -- so here's the -- And this is the deal.
No one wants to fix what's wrong.
In obamacare more than Democrats especially Democrats we're gonna face voters next year and especially Democrats from swing states are difficult districts.
They need to look busy you know the so when things get bad you've got to look busy you have to be able to keep faith with voters to say.
We're working on this we're doing something Debbie dingle knows the contours of -- We have said many times here.
That Bill Clinton had this to say in 2011.
At the democratic retreat he said there are problems with this law.
Get caught fixing them.
It was great advice.
But the administration so far as blocking Democrats from what would seem to be the most politically logical course of action.
Which would be to be the pictures right.
-- -- -- -- -- Sitting here agreeing with you but as my husband John -- says the last perfect -- that came down.
Was from the mountains when we get the ten commandments and today people would probably say -- -- -- -- I have perfect right it was weird line.
We know that their problems there.
But how do you fix it I mean first and last -- -- changed the mess with getting.
Exchange -- that as secretary Sebelius has testified they say no I haven't fixed by the end of November they're spinning.
And I still think that the intent of the law and what those who voted for bonded with the American people want it.
Was to guarantee affordable quality health care to every American.
Everybody still agrees with -- intent.
Where there are problems where the mistakes figure out what the fixes are.
Target is that when you've got Republicans trying to bucket every single second -- -- -- -- to try to get it fixed.
Administration defensive front eleven Democrats -- kind of restaurant like okay what would help -- it.
And nobody willing to talk to try to figured out.
Black can be able to talk to each -- proving strangely difficult in the governance.
And -- you -- rattling and clap during a noise on the side.
That I want you to -- is Luke messer who we were abandoning it to you arrive.
Congressman -- represents what this six district of Indiana that says the good people of -- Yeah -- New -- my mother's hometown live in Newcastle Indiana congressman welcome back.
-- -- was just talking about how.
The realities here.
Are that Tom.
Democrats most of all would like to show that they're trying to fix work on improve what's wrong in the law but the accusation against Republicans as.
You don't want to fix it you just want to blow it up.
-- I reject the premise you certainly.
Whatever we may think of all were rooting for the millions of Americans who are now caught up.
And that law you know the president has said recently that no one's matter than him and I just think that's true I think the people who are mad as part of millions of families who now are struggling to sign up on the web site.
Worried because they've gotten cancellation notices looking at race.
That are going I do you think we now have to go line by line through this law figure out the things that.
That are good there are some good things -- me me.
The idea that at 26 year old can stay on their parents' policy efforts to really improve the pre existing condition.
Challenges that -- -- -- preexisting condition can't find healthcare I think those are good things.
But a lot of it's just not working.
Actually and many feel free to jump and we're -- you or -- you have freeway.
Please answer important -- yeah you have here this is a free.
The law on those who don't purchase insurance that's 95 if you're uninsured in your above the income threshold it's 95 dollars war.
It's -- or 1% of your taxable income next year.
And that is whichever is greater whichever amount is greater -- for some folks are talking about -- pretty considerable fine that you say delay this for a equal amount of time until the website is deemed to be functional you say that the penalty should be delayed but if you do that.
The law becomes eight fiscal nightmare right this becomes you're you're handing out subsidy but -- -- not forcing people into the program.
Well it's based on the simple premise -- on America and attacks people.
For not signing up on the website doesn't work and what our bill would be -- several other bills out there what our bill would do would.
Require H suggested to certify that the web sites working in in ninety days after that folks could dead.
Could you would be subject to the fines and penalties of the law.
It's now becoming a more bipartisan issue frankly you're starting -- -- in both the house and the senate.
-- step forward and and say that that's the way we ought to handle different guys think it's common sense.
Did you -- you think.
Well I don't get in trouble today of trying to figure out exactly where they are and how close are going to be being right on target -- you know this the most.
Rational conversation I can't -- It while it says that you want to keep the line I think if they can get people talking more and not.
Just keep breaking votes against obamacare but how do we give all Americans affordable quality health care and have more people in the same room talking about it.
We've got to -- there had only mean that they'll work does it it can't changes other things that everybody can work on I think we'd be better.
In fairness Alexandria I oppose the law and it is the law -- -- now is the lawless.
They -- people say that as you know a lot of tricky.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- that it would I mean I think we are where we are now clearly.
In the prior system wasn't working I.
I would tell you some of the best parts of obamacare the issues like that the 26 year -- on insurance and preexisting conditions could have been solved without creating money out.
What's and we should remember that discussion in Washington very much in 2009.
Was there's got to be something.
And it was largely conceived of as an expansion of Medicaid.
And patients' bill of rights that's basically what was the fact is this a space that easy.
Like everybody can agree on this let's do it and then get back to this stimulus -- let's get back to jobs but let's do this and move ought.
Pushing through to Obama care was the harder part and that was when you're talking about a public option that's who you're -- about these other things.
Is there the possibility of going back to.
A more incremental face -- you say so let's do expanded Medicaid.
And let's do the patient protection component but maybe we're not ready for the exchanges and ready for the subsidized stuff.
I don't think that's gonna happen not gonna happen.
-- and I think -- Whitney design this programming was to -- -- didn't show that Americans have access to affordable health care actually make that forty million uninsured can't excess they designed this system.
Was a perfect.
Now so I think fixes that you can make that a lot of times been put in -- to create an exchange it will give people affordable health -- those that have a -- -- Being able to afforded to get some help affording it and what they -- -- -- get it exchanged text.
I certainly don't know yet and he would we -- this website that's not working that -- been probably the easy part.
We all understand this week the comments that came out the president promised very clearly.
If you -- your health care plan you can keep that now we're going through a period where millions of Americans are learning that that's not the way it's gonna work lots of people are losing their policy.
And then the the sort of actuarial work of whether the exchanges work will happen and we'll have to see who signs and whether young people -- -- If if if that doesn't happen we may even visiting this music you.
I -- -- make -- further prediction we will be revisiting all of this every month for many months to come this will be about the only thing.
That we're gonna talk about it honestly this country this is better -- think it's going to be a -- week it's going to be every week and this is going to be about the only -- we're gonna talk about for the rest of the Obama -- -- -- is going to shape -- -- nominating process it's -- -- everything.
This will be as consequential.
In terms of the national political discussion is the Iraq War was you just wait and see Internet.
That you guys are you know that -- your -- than -- we thank you for making some time for us today guys thanks for Andy and we appreciate your fleet feet -- Okay Internet we have to go that's you knew that was going to happen eventually.
But we'll come back on Monday and we'll talk to you it will be previewing Virginia's gubernatorial race talking about the -- implications of the health care law there will do much more we hope you have a great weekend happy All Saints Day.
And now as we like to do every day a word from our -- office.
As long -- exchanges you're down.
All you're getting of stories stories of people losing insurance and practically no one.
Gaining insurance this is a program that's doing the exact opposite billion shares are gonna have to increase their.
Further the incentive and you do you get a system that cannot sustain itself economically and it collapses.