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Now joining me and joining us because I've -- got Tom Jocelyn has the senior editor of a long war journal.
We're joined now by Jim -- Jane -- from a Heritage Foundation he's a Middle East expert as well.
He's joining us from about fox.
Studios in Washington DC so I'd like to have a three way conversation.
About this doctor there -- very mr.
rounds I -- charge about the Iranian ships through Suez are just talking to an Israeli.
Journalists who seems very concerned about Iran's move not just through the Suez Canal.
But what seems to be an encirclement of Israel have what -- you what are you making him the Iranian ships through the -- Well I think through the movement is.
-- move that it has real we harvested tremendous benefits.
These ships are.
Are not a direct threat to Israel.
-- -- you wonder what they're transporting cause it probably his arms for Hezbollah in Lebanon.
And so that is -- or reason for concern.
And I think because Israel is intercepted previous -- -- -- with these arms to the Iranians probably decided to put on a military ship that.
Wouldn't be is subject to.
Being oil well inspected by -- -- Israeli navy.
But it is business signal that Iran is sending good it's it's flexing its muscles -- surrounding not only Israel but Saudi Arabia and all.
Other dog good members of the Gulf Cooperation Council.
Embedded it's it's definitely -- -- on the move.
Than if we -- switch now I'm Jim -- out from The Heritage.
Foundation we have just been receiving word the oil companies in Libya.
That are planning to leave Libya and to evacuate.
There -- people and it's a really extensive listing you'll see from this map.
Canada the United Kingdom.
BP from the United Kingdom suncor from Canada.
State -- -- from Norway shall from neverland so when we're herself from Germany Austria.
ENI of course from Italy the large -- -- Italian energy company Spain -- town from France.
There -- all in the prospects of evacuating their personnel from Libya right now what is this.
I mean why -- make the ball as -- do they know something we don't know is fair and potentially violence against -- on people.
I think they're very concerned about the possibility that there people may be injured in and certainly in violence or targeted.
By the regime or bar area perhaps.
Elements that are.
Increasingly would probably will be operating within Libya there's potential for hostage taking as either the regime more.
Insurgent groups should try to regain political and so I think there -- to Smart move to do this preemptively and pull people out.
-- every time doesn't if if they do -- then what happens all the energy and oil coming out of Willie I I assume that this is all just trying to -- because.
Most of these people are people who are running in the oil facilities in Libya.
Yeah I'm sure I mean -- the biggest you know in terms of economic smallest you can clearly scenes of destruction oil -- him throughout all listening in Libya that.
As the only studies is not grass is gonna play out so far remember -- companies you know I'd be -- -- my personal out as well I mean you can't tell.
In these random thing like -- and -- isn't exactly I mean -- thing is you know some these groups again -- you know some of these al-Qaeda affiliates to us groups.
-- specializing kidnapping executives are specializing kidnapping westerners and only for ransom.
So I mean this type of -- to -- insecure environment I could -- that -- that that was their playing responsibilities.
Out of the people who are leaving.
Libya right now.
These are the -- you're leaving and Americans who were being air transport it out.
We are also.
Never -- that their fairy -- of the United States is putting.
In the port in her way to get Americans out and taking them over to Malta.
Doesn't look like -- on empty seats on those planes.
When did did you don't you think -- how you think this is gonna play out I mean do you think in Libya we have civil war do you think these dominoes.
Continue to fall throughout the Middle East who's next.
-- -- -- I think it's going to be a lot bloodier and a lot -- here in Libya then and elsewhere.
And it colonel Qaddafi is already signaled.
-- -- -- -- gonna.
He wants to die as a martyr in Libya and I think is a good chance you he will get his wish.
It appears that the army already has split with some of the commanders of -- -- in the eastern Libya.
Going over to the opposition.
The air force.
Reportedly is bombing.
Bases and ammunition stores.
Presumably to keep them out of the hands of the opposition.
In Egypt and Tunisia.
Cohesive in intact.
And was able to play.
Because of that was able to play the stabilizing role it after the -- man was forced out.
But in Libya I think partly because colonel Qaddafi is faced so many coup attempts from his own army in the past he has developed.
Much more loyal special all you need troops that remain loyal to him and so if -- with the bulk of the army.
Turns into factions and starts going -- -- tooth and -- I think he can depend on some of these in the troops now.
Well look who's next time food really and -- I -- we've now seen it.
Can tell what I've had a ten countries so far there have been wracked by violence but you wanna I Saudi Arabia potentially in play.
You know Saudi Arabia -- I don't.
Think so but you never -- I mean again in speculative Muslim Brotherhood and -- -- in Saudi Arabia's long time alive with the Muslim Brotherhood but there's there's tension now has been since this is -- -- -- three.
Between the Saudi royals and the most.
While wings of the jihadist movement you know they've they've cracked down on al-Qaeda and jihadist groups inside Saudi Arabia itself while continuing to -- a -- -- Jordan you know you see there -- will means there between the brotherhood and and the royal family you know it's possible that there's something good coming on thereby allowing in the prognostication -- expect Libya -- yeah and it is working on Libya too by the way did I think you keep your -- out for which is that colonel Qaddafi and his son.
Negotiated peace agreements with the Islamist groups and got -- groups and last year or so where they brokered the deal allow a lot of them out of prison.
Right on right and it's it's usually keep your -- on to see whether or not that's gonna come back to bite them -- all -- -- in our hottest groups and turn around -- I think Barack I saw a report this afternoon I don't know that's true so I -- this is an earlier report by his son early indication that a former Guantanamo detainee.
Is actually declared Islamic emirate in part of Libya.
And as this rallying -- -- -- You know -- so oh well yeah but it.
Concern however and that's Bradford will random looking government has eyes accompanying those claims local local villagers around the area was is -- you're saying that's.
Not true but -- -- an earlier -- but the only -- is an indication that you sort of half an easy -- -- cast.
Do you think what do you think -- Saudi Arabia.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- Thought I would I'm very concerned the ball -- -- and I think.
There -- kings in Saudi Arabia and Jordan have some things going for them in Jordan.
The king has a very loyal army and he is -- Kind of appointed politicians as prime minister is a shock absorbers and he's changed those and he's gone part a way to meet some of the demands of the demonstrators.
And Saudi Arabia that have a lot more money to -- spread around the -- just recently to.
-- or Brooklyn but space we attempted to bribe his own people by raising their benefits and know there are many saudis -- would think twice about killing the goose that lays the golden but in Bahrain.
I think the situation is.
Very Dicey because you have Sunni.
-- here are Sunni dynasty.
All of that -- is living vote shouldn't.
It in -- leading a -- our country that is 70% she.
And that's -- -- -- in Iran all kinds of opportunities to stir the pot and intentions are very high there.
OK -- one final thought.
Jim Talent from The Heritage Foundation.
Tell us very quickly if you can how vulnerable as the US fifth place which is -- imported in -- -- What things are about 4000.
Non US our personnel.
Believe they have a pretty -- and headquarters there.
But they rely on the renal protection of the Bahrain government -- Right now lives of -- no reports that there are any kind of danger.
Abandoned in fact I think the boom opposition.
-- would do would be wise to not to threaten them because so little could change US policy towards certain.
The K -- OK thank you very much for dressed him down from The Heritage Foundation joining us from Washington.
IQ thank you.
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