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The governor of Ohio Republican John Casey -- my guess now from his hometown there in Columbus, Ohio officer good morning to you and -- thank you for your time.
What you're Johnson's.
Governor says there in the whole three point six billion.
That the numbers I have for Ohio says that your budget gap is eight billion dollars.
Now the battle Wisconsin primarily is centered around teachers and teachers' unions.
It is that -- your battle with senator does it involve more than that governor.
Well bill bill we we have a very comprehensive.
Budget we cannot pull out of an eight billion dollar hole.
And -- just by focusing on one area.
-- what we try to do is when we when we impact.
Area we want to make sure we give people the tools that they need.
To cope with they change and for example the reason why we wanna do collective bargaining reform is one we want -- tablets equity between people who pay the bills in the public employees but secondly.
We also want to give the local government officials the mayors and the in the school people the tools they Newton.
They need to control their costs any successful business.
That loses an ability to control its costs go bankrupt.
In addition to that bill this is part of a whole series of reforms.
That in involve our prisons that involve our schools.
All of which is designed to set the stage for economic growth we have been getting killed out here in terms of economic growth job loss.
-- a population loss of of knowledge workers are our students fleeing the state a third of them.
After three years so.
This is all part of a program to make sure that we can revitalize save Ohio restore entrepreneurship and create job one size -- all -- to that point.
The town of -- Hanna in Ohio.
A woman gave some testimony yesterday saying the tax revenues down 13%.
Over the last two years.
City of Cincinnati personnel costs are up 18% of the same time.
Now the union members we talked to.
In Wisconsin and also an Ohio governor they say they've given concessions and made changes in health care.
That have helped save the state.
Millions and millions of dollars in fact they say we've been giving and giving but at what point do you wanna stop.
Bill let me let me just give you -- -- how do you respond our average -- -- our average private sector employee pays 23%.
For their health care.
Our average city worker and Ohio pays 9%.
Now look this is not this is about.
Ending the you know sort of that the promises to get made -- can't be fulfilled.
And -- it it's about more than that bill.
We have to give local government officials a way to be more efficient and more effective than the delivery of services.
And we have to give them the flexibility they need to manage their costs including labor.
They want to give their the people that work in this city more money they can do that.
But what we shouldn't do is have a thing like binding arbitration were an outsider comes in.
Imposes a settlement on a city that the city can't afford.
And they they got to raise taxes and when they raise taxes they drive jobs out and by the way your -- city of Cincinnati.
Has lost 40% of its population since 1950.
Mean that's nearly 10% a year so bill we have to stop the drain.
You cannot cut your way to prosperity but you can set the table for economic growth and that is exactly what I am all about job creation.
What do you think of the president he weighed in on -- yesterday.
Calls this an assault on unions reminding us that union workers are Americans there are neighbors.
They're our friends.
To that you say what will today.
Now ball but they are look I come from a union town the keys rocks.
We're not at war with anybody bill we're not -- -- on anybody what we're trying to say.
Is -- you wanna create a rational program to create jobs so that Ohio compete with Texas and Florida and Tennessee and North Carolina up by the way many of whom have right to work laws no income taxes we can't compete in the current mode we can't do that so we have to bring about the changes we want.
And we think of a really good start is to make sure that our local government officials have the ability to control their costs.
To treat employees fairly but to create equity between those -- people who pay the bills.
And those people who are who who who basically have jobs because people pay.
-- one more point on this that your Republican governor of the state house on both sides is.
The majority of Republicans in Ohio it if -- if you wanna get this done you can get it done because frankly have the votes.
There are those who are warning that at some point you get backlash.
Do you understand I -- -- and at what point do we expect governor.
Bill bill I was involved in more debate.
I was remember the chief architect of the 97 budget agreement that lifted this country economically.
But before we got there we went through a government shut down you know what happen after we -- the 97.
Agreement where I negotiated with the Clinton administration.
We have lower unemployment more job creation more investment and America was doing batter.
This is just what you go through change is hard for people but you know what.
If the change results in improving the lives of people across my state and across this country.
We have no choice but to do what's best for the folks and I'm comfortable -- bill.
Governor thank you for your time John Kasich it could we have been doing -- battle goes next.
That's the scene in Madison were again we're told moments ago that there will be a vote today.
So watch that story John Kasich in Columbus thanks.
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