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-- primal fear and then followed that up with an Oscar nomination playing a reformed neo Nazi skinhead in American history X.
In his latest film stone he portrays a criminal looking for redemption playing opposite Robert De Niro.
He portrays the parole officer now here's a clip of him questioning -- -- moral authority to judge him.
You know what what what you get to walk around free and don't.
I was convicted of the crime of Clinton.
You never did anything dead.
That day but no wrong I'd be forgiven for not and then -- -- along with two new Goodspeed taking.
Mean you know that's a -- ball awfully Vietnam and it kills some cute.
No come on man come on how you get to keep judge a person -- want.
Think they've done please welcome Edward Norton.
You did this film as his supporters special project -- -- you pick this role you've not because you thought it was going to be a blockbuster.
Seller although I think it may be but there was something intriguing about the role of stone tell me what it was it captured your attention.
I had worked -- this film -- before John current -- you directed a film called the painted veil that was and then.
The character was interesting to me because he travels along way in the filming goes from a person -- you had to win when.
I asked John what he what he thought the role was and he said.
He said I I don't always sounds like it looks like but I when I need and I -- -- think this guy is not a strong candidate for his spiritual transformation.
Well he was incorrigible the character and -- there was skewered for -- at the beginning to shut this guy.
It's hopeless hopeless hopeless.
Opened the evolution of his character in the end it in the film was -- and I think I think there's been a lot of ambiguity in this thumb but I think John.
Has set up a film where by the end you're forced to.
You're forced to confront the assumptions you made about this person and and consider the fact that it's possible that he's actually had.
A very unexpected.
Deep experience and -- and and you know and and portraying someone who's that seems marginal seems you know -- -- Who seems to have really found addict that separate kind of peace -- itself is is bowed out -- -- -- one of the things that I loved about the.
Film -- is that.
There is this contrast between your character stone who is this person you think has no redeeming qualities.
And then we're introduced to Robert the nearest character Jack.
Who who seems to be like this wonderful citizen.
In the course of the film you find out that the people you think are really really fantastic have some flaws in the people you think have nothing redeeming about them.
Have some qualities that may be in fact valuable.
But that's human nature of -- -- it's it's the way -- wife really is.
-- and I think Jon -- marriage thing comments about.
The idea of a film in which in which one character is literally physically imprisoned.
But another character is is in prison within a life that's an authentic.
You know he is married forty years he goes to church he has a good job but he.
-- -- inside he feels very little authentic.
Feeling for these things and and there's a consequence of that I want to talk about the the research that you did because you went to some -- you -- -- inmates.
Tell me about.
And may be an incident that really stands out for you.
Encounter with an inmate.
There was a couple and in particular.
We were working in in Jackson Michigan just north of Detroit where the -- that and and John wanted to -- -- it.
To be rooted in Detroit in urban Detroit so -- I met with guys -- come out of out of that environment.
They've been involved in the drug trade or -- day you know gang gang life -- -- And it and I found that a number of them have very profound insights into.
What the psychology is of going through the process of getting assessed by another person you know having your own.
Your own evolution as a person raided in some ways and I thought that was sort of emotionally and psychologically fascinating just to hear how anxious.
It makes them that I think in the character you see.
A lot of the anxiety of that in the beginning did you come away from this experience with a different understanding or appreciation or even maybe.
Attitude toward the way we're.
Locking people up in this country and the whole.
Really who corrections system -- I mean and you know I know -- spent an enormous amount of your.
Career in politics we're looking at the the troubles in the prison system we have a problem obviously and being in there it gave me enormous respect.
In some ways for people the trouble on both sides of the equation the corrections officers.
Were so so fantastic and so committed.
Hardly over stretched like you can see where this cynicism.
Comes in from not having the resources to practice rehabilitation LA.
And yet you can see it from the guys inside to certainly there you meet those guys and you say this the person who is where they ought to be but you -- -- in the people who.
Who are authentically looking for an opportunity in their lives to go a different route and yet the resources are very stressed and I think.
I think it's it's not us and knock on anybody to say that we we -- too many people up in this country we've.
We use -- as -- such a default mechanism that were.
The idea prison has a cycle that's not about the facility but that's about a life that doesn't -- -- to not be.
Keep returning that facility I think is very one -- -- look.
Other corrections director that served with me when I was governor had a great saying that a quarter often -- -- a lot of people up.
Not because we're afraid of them but because we're mad at them.
And as a result we end up with prisons filled with people a lot of whom would be better off in some community based corrections.
As for whom prison is not the ideal and some people ought to be there they didn't get their -- singing too -- and church last Sunday.
But but we clearly have over incarcerated.
To the point that now you have these warehouses.
With human people.
Who sometimes -- dehumanized even further in the process of trying to correct and it's it's it's almost counter intuitive to what the goal is supposed to -- The reality of talking to people who are incarcerated now when you confront what the reality of that is it's very intense and you realize that.
That it's something that that we shouldn't.
We shouldn't be using -- -- default we shouldn't be sending people into that by default because we don't have that energy.
Or the care of a lot of you know try to to -- people out of that environment because is not an environment that's producing better people.
-- say Yahoo! the -- was a big success it makes people think you were brilliant and it thank you and actually brilliant performance.
I hope you get the recognition that you deserve and Dinara was great everybody in the in the film is terrific and the movie is called stone it opens in theaters across the country next weekend.
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