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Good Friday afternoon everyone and welcome into gadgets and games the show where we talk about the biggest tech stories of the week we will run down windows phone seven for you talk about.
What to expect there next week from apple -- -- media event and so much more -- a great panel of guests starting.
Deep on the end of the company being in -- bathroom -- -- He's vice president industry analysis from NPD group -- nice to see you welcome thanks so much play great you're always great to have you and -- Portis is sitting in the center seat today he is.
Wouldn't change -- title often are not and just a guy equipment guy the mechanics at gadgets tech editor for popular mechanics just had your big breakthrough awards yes Harvard expert towards lots of fun.
So we were gonna run down if you would -- history yet three -- -- gonna highlight show the folks a little bit later some of the three standouts and -- footage some fun video that.
Some real dirty stuff you're tired so it's critical role well it is possible people payroll payroll payroll are and to my right is -- -- -- -- lead mobile analyst from PC -- nice to see assumption always good to have you clintonites get all their coverage -- PC mag dot com and one of the reasons we have -- here today of course because of all of -- you have you gotten any sleep lately with the amount of.
Mobile phones that -- -- rolled out literally -- like a big new phone every day and I don't understand how America can support this number of -- that.
That's -- does -- speak to -- the fact that we're moving maybe away from the desktop in such a large capacity attitude to the mobile space and this is where all the excitement is right oh absolutely talked to some of these wireless carriers I heard a number from I think it was cricket that they said.
Half of their customers don't even have PCs anymore.
They're mobile phone is their primary method of accessing the Internet in communicating and so yeah we're really entered a post desktop world.
So jump into the chat room right now hopefully joining us very soon via Skype we'll have a another guest on the show -- I don't wanna I want to jinx anything yet until we getter.
On the job but it chat rooms in the lower left hand lower.
Right hand side of your screen ask any questions you have about the stuff we're gonna talk about we're gonna spend the first part of the show talking about Windows Phone 7 Microsoft.
On stage this week Steve Ballmer there from Microsoft rolling out a number of Windows Phone 7.
Devices -- was it was hard to keep track of all from what the what -- nine that he was -- nine on global.
Also once stayed within interesting was Ralph -- they go from AT&T.
So that was interesting -- partnership now between the two the two of them moving forward.
So nine phones.
Let's just I guess generally dive in to DOS and what we think of it Sasha start with you.
Okay -- it's it's really bold it's really clean looking at doesn't look like anything else on the market and it looks like his teammate Steve -- -- up and I people seem as -- -- -- right.
It's definitely is it's definitely visually appealing.
Has strong connections to other Microsoft products like it has the holes in an experience in -- so out of the box it's already a top notch music and video player.
It has some connection to Xbox Live that seems to be more it's gonna realize itself in the future but there's -- potential for good gaming there.
The web browser is basically called -- and explore and there's Microsoft office on there.
So there's all these familiar names and all these familiar technology is brought together in your hand -- And Kevin go -- this roll a few it doesn't matter what phone there you can we have like thirty different photos here of like.
Twenty different phones to Kevin just got to -- a bunch of these photos here of the operating system.
A -- -- of the 96.
Are for the US it's three on AT&T to on T-Mobile one on sprint we're looking at here.
-- there's obviously -- -- -- for a second candidate who would this is office there's office and we're basically looking at how the various office applications are available almost in full on these phones.
You can sync all of your one that -- with your desktop you can read.
Really complicated word and excel documents and round trip them so that's the -- that's the enterprise side -- thing.
When you -- round trip then you mean one you can bring them up from the desktop to the phone edit them bring them back and preserve the full integrity of the document before and I won't -- -- stopped.
Then you have access to it on your desktop and it's all there everything all the changes you've made anyone else you've interacted with you share the documents they make changes -- those changes appear.
Microsoft really wants -- to use it with their SharePoint server because one interesting things about these phones if you can't just move.
Finals between the phone and your desktop you have to use some kind of cloud service except for music and video with -- -- resume.
-- so they see businesses using these SharePoint servers to host their business files of people access from their desktops access from their phones from wherever they are.
Right let's take another look at some other images there -- -- accepted your perspective.
Photos this is a really nice layout as well yes that would really interest thing about Windows Phone 7 is that this is the first time a saucer thing where Microsoft doesn't seem like a massive bureaucratic and -- he -- fourteen different heads are talking to each other and some sort of the culmination.
So many years of research and so many different apartments and for the first time with -- -- place.
And if the -- can't be stressed enough how different this is so Microsoft's traditional corporate culture seems to have that yet and competing for competing -- they're not really it's like they've started from the ground up to build this thing.
It's it's a little bit of a double edged sword though I mean that's just cautious point I can't think of another Microsoft product that has integrated so many other Microsoft products and services.
Windows Phone 7 but of course.
And some of those areas such as -- office or.
Xbox Live you know they've got a lot of momentum they've got millions of members.
In other areas such as with the Zune subscription service.
They really haven't had a lot of momentum so if you bought in to some parts of that Microsoft world now the -- that's gonna have a lot more killed in an otherwise we'll.
On the other hand -- leveraging for instance that -- desktop software which they've been developing for a couple of years now.
Do you leverage that and -- version one point oh Windows Phone 7 already has a better music experience and android 2.2.
How does it measure up here we're looking at the Zune experience and -- course to your point and a lot of people didn't have the Zune HD but it was a beautiful device.
I hear that -- Zune experience is in Windows Phone 7.
How does it measure up against what people are used to with iPhone.
I think it's very similar it just looks different I mean you have to eight EU have a store where you can.
By music rent or buy movies subscribe to podcasts.
-- does have that unlimited subscription option but I guess you get that through rhapsody on the iPhone so.
The functionality is pretty similar.
And this is one area where I think apple looked at the UYE -- user interface but what Microsoft did the Zune and I think copied some of the elements in the second the last version of -- -- it was also interesting I think Microsoft deserves a lot of credit for Windows 7 is that it is a different interface than what the iPhone what entry does it's been said by everybody you've seen this thing.
But you know it's so easy for a company like whether Palmer and -- look at the iPhone pictures of people like they -- bunch of icons in their home page.
We're gonna give it -- like that Microsoft -- they're gonna try something different.
And it seems like it might actually pay -- Curtis marsh -- in the chat rooms is do I really -- phone -- is using operating system with a huge history of being hacked.
And -- one take that's not.
They call this Windows Phone 7 but it is not running windows as you know it.
-- it's a it's another operating system designed for hand held on a completely different kind of processors that cares.
The name when that's right and it seems like any of any mobile phone is is obviously -- hacking and you know any mobile phone is gonna have these issues as we start to see other malware problems.
A crop up in different in different -- coming soon.
And I think that there will be.
Tighter oversight -- closer oversight of the windows marketplace from perhaps we've seen.
On android and some of the mile malware issues we've seen reported there.
And and also the biggest thing also which really -- forget about Windows Phone 7 is -- hardware control everything.
But you know there as everybody says there -- a scatter shot of a million different android devices some of them are better and -- summit at touch screens summer different sizes some different applications -- work on.
With Windows Phone 7 Microsoft facing enormous lot of control.
In order to make sure that everything they have works and every phone even though there's nine -- -- well in the at least at the beginning and now we'll have to see over time -- companies want to differentiate more they can maintain that.
Now this is a good point before jumping to that I like that where that discussion is going here is a look at Xbox Live.
Now we haven't seen the preponderance of games that we hope to see yet obviously -- -- in a plane left for dead two yet on -- on there who.
But it is you know -- it's incredible and an end in Peter -- sitting here a few weeks ago and he said you know just being able to be on the subway.
Playing some of these games but -- also increasing my you know increasing -- moments like he might -- my achievement points.
While mobile I can get back to my Xbox.
That's pretty cool and they have an extraordinarily.
Strong online gaming community with Xbox Live too and I'm very interested to see -- leverage that with mobile which is of course and always connected always network device solutions have been that.
Said I think I think we kind of imply that one of everybody's big worries about this platform which is you've got a half the games you've got a happy apps.
Microsoft is entering a very very busy space right here with Smartphones.
And developers being pulled in all sorts of directions.
Do I want to program for the however million iphones however million android phones however million blackberries or do I wanna take a chance on this brand new Windows Phone which they haven't sold any of yet.
Yes so Microsoft has a couple things going from one is that there I think that when the big something -- now it is in business side I think -- block very compliments and pretty stagnant -- possibly years to make an opening if they can you might wholly disagree with in this.
But I think there might be an opening for them to really kind of make some inroads there I think also the Microsoft is marketing money and I'm in my head and they have what they're gonna put had to Google and advertising and -- -- -- -- -- Not just marketing money but.
Microsoft has a long long history of supporting developer -- -- both on the desktop and through -- -- the system like Palm -- where you're going with that the question -- -- growing media chat -- -- -- what pronouncing your last name -- -- he says -- -- on Windows Phone 7 is great -- the load times need improvement loading -- games.
Obviously sent out yet but we're pretty close so we're pretty close to me -- have you guys experience that I loaded one game one -- -- pretty quickly.
None of us no journalist has.
Normally spent much more time of the final Windows Phone 7 then at that thing on Monday.
I mean I've used -- PC -- we've had a developer unit for a couple of months that there were handing out in July that's a much earlier burn them software so I don't think we can draw conclusions from that.
-- -- -- -- Let's talk about -- let me roll this video here this is a bit of viral video Kevin has it in the Booth there.
A little bit of viral video ad for Windows Phone 7 take a look.
Well hello there Austria -- -- stuff AKA the most talked about man of the year.
AK 8100 kilograms of -- man.
I'm bringing my -- smugglers down under to introduce to you yes you.
The biggest thing -- ever happen -- the way you communicate with and connect to the people you care about books it's quick.
It's easy there's only a short window.
An opportunity he and me and us.
-- I've got a lot of swimming.
They go a little bit of -- I don't know how that works for but that is certainly Microsoft had done a lot of viral campaigns in the past now questions -- -- too is that the point you just raised at the end there Ross.
And Sasha you bring up about developers.
Can debate we've been hearing from developers at least in part that there hesitant to jump on board.
And are hesitant to jump to Windows Phone 7 -- developing for that speaking to developers what's your experience and excited about this platform.
This -- they need to be there they think.
I mean from what I've heard from developers it's a relatively easy platform to program for in a lot of ways the tools that have been handed out our.
Easy to use and relatively fluent and especially game developers are very familiar with -- And there are some cautious optimism but there still is the fact that zero of these phones have been sold.
And right now your you know -- expensive game that you have just program as a potential market of the Iraq.
Without being the first -- you know that the first to do.
First in the game being having -- -- little applications without a Greenfield opportunity and they'll certainly be some enterprising developers who.
Have paid for who have had success on say Xbox Live.
Through digital distribution.
And say here's an opportunity for -- to get an early.
I think Ross thanks a perfect point I think the first developers we see are going to be Xbox Live downloadable games developers we're gonna transition their existing -- and it -- Really easily I think that's kind of a trick that Microsoft did once more.
Bringing together all these parts of Microsoft into 1 thing set -- -- -- have the main apps there though the ones that everyone wants right when they sign up they want Netflix they want pandora they want these applications that they need and expect when they get a new phone now.
-- they want to cut and paste which is interest.
-- And when there's video of I think -- they -- -- thing I think it had an opportunity for developers who are very friendly with Microsoft.
Become friendly Europe Microsoft and by getting out early with Windows Phone 7 they really are kind of -- up with Microsoft a way that Redmond will not forget I think.
I think it's gonna pay -- for people who really want to build ties to the net Netflix is Klein has already written and silverlight so true god wouldn't be surprising I think at all.
So anyone else any other final thoughts on Windows Phone 7 actually wanna talk about the hardware bit because we were gonna get to that conversation that we talked to quite a bit about the interface and how nice it looks without Kevin just -- just.
Maybe even go back -- that Ballmer photo if you would have all these different phones and you can take some close ups of these different phones -- -- HTC in there and got.
Samsung kind of slowed the way they all -- -- then glided onto the stage and yeah collided -- the -- -- now is now the hardware right we've got one version of Windows Phone 7 software is it going to turn into the android experience where you have multiple versions of the operating system.
And it's up to the handset makers to figure out how they implement that and they're not getting any real push back from global will we will Microsoft.
Keep it clean.
Absolutely Microsoft has a very strict to what they call it chassis for this.
All of the harbor manufacturer's -- -- only allowed to use one processor -- today can only use the Qualcomm snapdragon.
Okay they must have an 800 by 480 screen not 854 by 48800 by 480.
They have to have certain sensors they have to have at least a five megapixel camera Microsoft has designed a very tight hardware specs of these -- Well either either that won't last or the platform will have difficulty.
Either scaling up or scaling down to -- certain price points now that's going to be interesting as the software develops and you're not worrying about certain heart you know hardware anymore.
It -- has a one year life cycle two year life -- what point is a cut off.
Do you think it's you don't think it's gonna last do you think this tight control of Microsoft -- I I think I think it will loosen up a bit you know maybe it never gets to the point that android is out today but.
Things like it enabling different arm processors you know that I make fun for me what's gonna happen is we're gonna see the technology of all what the -- -- -- that same sort of point where one gigahertz processor just pretty events today is going to be if nothing in a year when this thing get tons of -- phones that use it.
Now let's talk about some of the phones that are out there that we're excited about the hardware specifically we saw this with the -- -- -- skin is being put on we saw HTC skins being put on over top of the existing android operating system for those of you are familiar with speeding and what that looks like you've got these stock android.
Software whether it's 2.2 or two point one -- whatever.
And then you've got handset makers like HTC putting -- spin on top of -- adding their own flair to it in some instances it slows it down.
It makes it a little snazzy you're in parts but otherwise it's it's a mess in many ways it's a mess no skins here it's scandalous it's -- -- I thought.
In fact the barriers and manufactured -- you're looking live I think -- carriers and manufacturers are only allowed to add six applications to the phone.
In total carrying that except to negotiate over that number six.
All six of those must be able to be removed.
OK so you could have a -- -- naked Windows Phone experience on any of these if you wanted to not gonna have a Samsung behold two with a spinning ball in the center.
You know -- some version of that is Angela Simpson can put a spinning ball apple.
On the phone and I think HTC I -- on Monday HTC's Don has this -- public HTC -- which is like this.
You can throw to Latin.
-- -- a quick break we'll come -- we've got a lot more to get to keep firing away your questions in the chat room we will get to them as we've heard.
As we progress here on gadgets and games will be right back.
Welcome back here to get to some games on this Friday afternoon thanks for everyone for weighing in in the chat room people wanted we tried any of these gadgets yet specifically.
-- On a serial writing have you tried any of the Windows Phone.
Phones that were released and again no mean those -- you don't have for the few minutes to get to play with -- that's about it but we won't see them in full what with today we -- to actually have them in in the wild in the -- definitely.
No they ship in November November November -- and until -- -- next week is.
And next week is -- big relief in Europe I think what's happening yet so you're gonna you're gonna start seeing a lot more information about them coming out at least from Europe actually.
Another big story this week the throughout the media invite here if you would have in this I was sent down to journalists.
For apples -- next Wednesday inviting journalists out to Cupertino.
For back to the Mac and you see that the -- in the hovering underneath the underneath the apple logo there and to get a sneak peek of Apple's newest operating system.
Back to the Mac and the rumors abound so what only see Ross we are chatting before the show you think it's going to be did they do -- and snow leopard right now right.
And a lot of people thought that apple has sort of maybe in some ways abandoned the desktop or abandon OS-X in favor of.
The mobile platform not at all -- certainly those have been engines of growth for apple and on the iPad and iPhone but.
The Mac is incredibly healthy business for apple and apple is doing incredibly well and both the desktop and and notebook markets snow leopard let's bear in mind was a -- sat right there weren't a lot of features added in snow leopard there was some optimization.
But apple said we're gonna scale back on the features a bit to make all these infrastructure improvements that are going to have dividends down the road well.
Here's their first chance to show how the improvements they made.
Enabled some really great news features OK so what new features might we see just some improvements in I cal in the calendar -- -- -- -- -- perhaps the what else about what else.
I don't know I haven't -- been waiting for the I know I think about it hey here's one thing I think we might see and this course -- around the rumor -- that I you know we may see of course the broader integration -- I chat when they see it now with facetime is desktop -- so we see facetime on the iPhone perhaps -- the next version of the -- we -- the forward facing camera we -- across.
All applications we see it built into the desktop so we have I'd chat with facetime I can be out -- making a phone call on the iPhone may be over Wi-Fi.
They have a jump onto the desktop at home mom -- -- -- anything else -- can -- -- well I know what I'd like to see which is some way to encapsulate.
On a Mac.
The Mac OS currently has this relatively little use layer called dashboard.
Where you can press a button and all these old -- a script -- -- appear on your screen.
Now imagine if those could be IOS -- -- and you could press here dashboard button and pulled down.
The full IOS version of big fuel to play for thirty seconds while -- on hold.
And that of course also gets Apple's developers more money because -- -- buying these out tonight.
Yeah and technically get a camera person over here when we get a chance I'll show you what that looks like on the desktop here to to -- in dashboard and how that would effect but.
We'll we'll do that the second but in the meantime -- go and get map and we'll get a shot -- -- -- I -- I think that would be a challenge though because that would imply touch screen Max and then you.
And maybe that I mean it the -- he really hindsight here media are gonna talk about that now.
Maybe it's -- -- but greater integration of their entire ecosystem I think definitely -- him.
OK so this is what it looks like when you've got dashboard calculators calculators about being here well here here's my main interface here's what I'm doing leaders is.
Here's a chat room there's all folks in the chat room here's -- and hit them just the one -- for dashboard.
And in your desk where -- -- -- -- I would like to see this on the iPhone actually happening out you know you -- cal -- -- you wanna -- you can add different widgets I've got to you know the weather -- up here I don't use it very often and I you know have Major League Baseball and we're scrolling through there and come on what if one of those to be Angry -- now.
Two good games got a calculator I'd use it for the calculator more than anything else.
And but that's about it and they -- -- that one button it's -- -- you'd like to see that but this is this speaks to.
The questions about features anymore what are we missing what do we think we're missing totally that we like really really want -- Desktops anymore they wanna give you something you with if you didn't realizing you -- turns out I can't live without it but I really think much really going to be if if you know they have all the apple is really becoming the -- -- -- with their mobile space and they're desktops and everything and probably you're gonna do some thing that kind of brings it all home to encourage people to stay within the -- -- So I really think face time via iChat is a huge huge huge possibility I think that some wave of integrating IOS programs onto your -- -- huge huge huge possibility -- Really really launch ever had talked about maybe is multi touch support future.
Curtis marsh says that -- Angry Birds would ruin a relationship on a minute by minute they -- have to -- -- South -- and and OS-X these bill Brad -- rights OS-X needs to build in -- minimizing maximizing in Windows 7 snapped features.
That I would like to see that was something Windows 7 being able put up a window pane on one side snap at society got two side by side -- -- that's okay I'm more of a fan actually of the aero peek.
Feature and of course Mac OS-X has dock expose -- But I think aero -- Provides you a little bit better when no management experience yeah I like dock expose a quite a bit and I used to actually spaces quite -- bitten as well -- to -- as a desktop.
-- also there are some rumors that we may see new MacBook Ayers.
Next week there are those have been drying up the inventory for MacBook airs -- -- and up and dry -- I've been drying up at different -- excuse me at different apple stores so we might see a slimmer thinner.
More powerful MacBook Air those are some rumors anything else we might see next week.
There have been rumors about while there when there were rumors that the air might go to eleven.
A lot of screen -- -- elements of sunscreen yeah that and there's also rumors floating around about some of the other processors.
There's a lot of -- city stuff in the laptop lineman needs to be updated.
They're apple isn't using the most current Intel chip -- they're not using they're not likely using switch simple graphics which is something that could.
Get an even better battery life there's a lot of kind of low level speed and performance stuff -- the laptops which could do with a -- I'd go ahead Kevin Wilson the -- -- of us the job onstage with the iPad of course this was we a lot of people wondering whether or not we would see Steve -- For a Verizon iPad.
At the time and whether or not see it on kinda kinda we're kinda on both networks of course we got the news this week the press release from both apple and Verizon that the -- will be.
Carried in Verizon stores the Wi-Fi only model.
And I had people writing me asking me what in the world as a MiFi.
Well I find it now in -- so many people are paying attention to what the Verizon MiFi is set you wanna take this yes oh my.
I if it's it's a brand name for a product of a mobile hot spot.
When mobile hot spot is basically if it sucks up a cell phone signal for an -- and a pump -- back out.
There's Wi-Fi signal that anything whether it's a Wi-Fi tablet or your computer or phone I -- -- like I can use to get a lot.
And typically would use a three G network in some cases spread products to use their -- -- WiMax network as well.
Was really good about them is that that you know -- some time to get like a netbook with a contract.
And then oh you realize that the -- thoughtfully Nestle -- this contract with the life he gets sort of -- -- get a contract.
That can carry between devices because it's -- by more than anything that you're using any given time.
-- this is something -- and iPad was with a MiFi is something that.
Has been possible since the launch of the iPad.
Right the right -- my my conspiracy theory here is that what what this is really about is.
Apple all getting this is a test run for apple to get there and inventory and retail system.
And supply came and Verizon's inventory and retail system working together.
So that win the Verizon iPhone launches.
The systems are already set up to work together because apple have been sending ipads to Verizon stores so it'll be a much smoother launch for the iPhone as well done kind of a dry -- what might have.
That's what -- -- what struck me about it most was not so much that you can go to Verizon store in my and I had big deal I think it's a bigger -- go to Wal-Mart or target blank an iPad but.
I think it's the symbolism behind and all credit Val now they are working together and there was that blow back back and forth the different commercials being run sort of it was like a pissing match throughout the summer with even different network he -- for -- there's a map for now all that stuff now they're working to get them.
But was there something be gleaned from Ralph -- of data from AT&T on stage with Steve Ballmer this week.
Partnering on Windows Phone 7 do you think that this is a stop -- measure on AT&T'S part do they care about a potential Verizon iPhone.
While couple points there first of all AT&T has been working with Microsoft for many years -- Smartphones even before of the iPhone was launched.
Second of all eighteen he's had a pretty consistent message about -- all about Smartphone choice and we have the most Smartphone operating systems offer so.
You know they've been on point with that message and third.
If you're going to launch a new mobile operating system you probably want it on GSM because of the greater worldwide carrier support.
And AT&T is the GSM carrier with the largest.
Installed base here in the -- -- so.
Those are all reasons important valid reasons why Microsoft -- when AT&T and of course Verizon for those of our viewers who don't know runs on CDMA network and there have been -- the suggestions and I heard this from some different engineers and some sources that apple said that apple hasn't been.
You has never wanted to launch the phone on the older aren't sure the CD and -- -- so here's the -- -- they go with CDMA they're going with an architecture that.
Verizon is going to be migrating off -- of in the next several years.
If they go to LTE which is the -- network that Verizon -- migrating to.
They gain better global compatibility but it's gonna take a while for Verizon's network to get there.
Also going -- LTE phone generally means shorter battery life and ethical form factor those are things that apple hasn't traditionally wanted to in their devices -- Apple surprise everyone next week with a Verizon subtle announcement or is it just a press release when there is an iPhone running on I guarantee they will not.
Now so they're not down to guarantee you -- -- what we everyone predicts different things and unity on the invitation it's back to them.
The real harassment now about the Verizon iPhone announcement is -- whether it is whether it comes.
You know if it happens.
Whether it comes.
Before -- at the end of November so Appleton and basically.
Anchor Google's holiday sales.
Let them make you know make people swing from right here I -- I don't.
Or whether it comes in early January and what that has to deal with lol Mike Adams keynote at CES he's the CEO of Verizon.
Where he says he's announcing six new LTE phones and tablets.
Yeah and it would be -- I mean if if there ever was an opportunity for Apple's presence to be felt that if -- -- would be at a horizon.
-- and and I anonymously have Verizon iPhone being introduced among them.
Five other you know another round of the -- I thought it easily and else this is another quick question but LTE of course is.
Verizon's next generation network Ford G by other by other by another name.
And Jeff Nelson from Verizon has told me you know that at the end of the year they had hoped to be in 25 cities -- they I.
Now they're out now that that -- the marker has been moved to 38 or your hope.
And to get.
That they they announced two weeks ago in front of a thousand people at the CT IA trade show that by the end of the year they will be in 38 US cities some -- To two airports today and hope that it was 25 he said would you know that's being conservative we hope will be in more than that -- 38 is that sufficient for someone in the spring to launch -- phone on.
We'll find what you just run LTE of course it would it would also run the three G networks as well on the -- -- would be the ideas are buying this now that there will be sitting in the aftermath of senior management.
Yeah exactly which means -- like really nobody is -- seen LTE only phone for a very long time.
So it for -- sort of put out an iPhone.
In the next year two years they still have to DC you make a possible threat that they have to develop within an architecture regardless.
And it's even when Chiming in on that well people -- some of the sprint evo four G -- sprint sprint sprint launched four G phones without having.
And and they're mobile phones also have 33 G pin -- -- -- only friends.
And I mean that -- that there's no upward you know and re trying to carry if you look at that they found we are threatened and highway and it's not going to run our report logo will -- that -- only hot spot.
-- hate it but that top spot isn't for.
It's it's not really the kind of thing that they they don't have developed a lot of people are running constantly from city to city but more -- kind of -- -- more about yet more of a hole and they are college students there yet.
Prepare set this week or last week we had via popular mechanics breakthrough yes awards and we chose three that we wanted to talk about that day what do you guys do when you're looking at the for the breakthrough awards a popular -- -- get -- So what we spend all year sort of scouring the universities and research centers and all that geniuses of the world country -- -- the greatest partners in this world the site's technology.
And it ended the year we have this big event.
We're sort of present the best biggest most impressive -- -- that we think are really gonna change the world now one of the big winners last year was Dean -- yes he wanted to leadership award to get to sort of a particular researcher who really fuels through a lot of -- -- -- work history given where the Craig -- who is behind there mapping of the human genome was -- it's really cool stuff.
So you we've picked out three of the different breakthrough war yes -- -- will start in order let's start with the -- socket -- so this is a soccer ball that was designed by for undergraduates into Harvard and the idea is that some villages it's really hard to get a power that this -- little apple.
And everybody -- socket that the popular sport the world -- a generator inside the fall he played for fifteen minutes to develop enough energy they can plug it into -- -- for three hours -- and helping them in next generation will be enough to charge a cell phones are really it's like you have fun and you just that the -- generate power that's brilliant.
Next on the list with cell -- yes so this is this is develop I think guys at UCLA I believe and it what it is is that a cell -- with a microscope attached.
In the idea is that -- -- cell phones they're everywhere.
And their mobile and it incredibly powerful processors you can if they touch a microscope and he's a processing power of the -- analyze whatever the microscope was looking -- -- you can look at a drop of water and use software detectors parasites and you can look at the drop of blood -- use software to determine what sort of diseases -- -- -- -- whenever I hear things like this in my mind races to Wear what a practical application yeah but I concealing forensics teams police forces that sort of thing yes that I also know Third World field researchers -- doctors don't have access to and the computers.
Cellphones are so cheap and so -- the president so much of the world's population a cellphone service now.
That you really have this kind of ability to -- obviously -- processing power.
That -- if they did not get used -- its full potential for medical diagnostic purposes it's pretty incredible in the lower marine biology or just biologist on the field testing water for bacteria whenever it happens to be you don't have to wait for lab result -- get instant results absolutely.
And that's the key is really it's like it's -- at the need -- -- back the home for some reason that's also almost half how close this and I -- -- market.
But sure I think that you know it and it has to me -- market what you're going to start buying it probably that's the way but some researchers are using it right now and this is sort of a greater trend number of other researchers are working and other -- -- cell phone diagnostic devices that is very similar technology.
And those I really think you're gonna become a really really big deal -- next year school third on the list does that NASA's lacrosse mission and that he's NASA fans to go ahead this is Dell customers and this is outlast your wind they bomb the moon -- to find water by what they basically did with they had all of that and left.
Left -- payload on Iraqi mission it but all these old jet rocket ship parts.
If it's absolutely smash it to -- the moon.
Analyzing debris is bound for the first time can -- no conclusive evidence that there's water on them.
That's pretty incredible so what do they do.
Haven't been able to to study the water and even look at it more deeply or is it just that -- actually saw the particles emerge from that debris -- I mean for it for now really it's just confirmation as watered the moon which is something that people suspected for a long time but there's never concrete proof.
An idea that this water -- -- the moon has water probably a whole lot of other things out there to.
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Welcome back -- to get -- -- on this Friday afternoon thank you everyone for weighing in in the chat room and on Twitter.
We -- let's talk now about Sony this week rolling out there new lineup of televisions and other products including.
Google TV baked in to the television and look on the left there comes with a label maker.
I can't help I think.
It's such a problem.
Yet there is there's a label reading jokes I get the web addresses onto the -- -- -- -- -- world welcome all so now I thought OK given I was not a fan of you know the Logitech revue box -- which we talked about extensively here last week on the show and I can -- a with -- Blu-ray -- -- -- you can get -- built in -- -- I just not excited about that iteration -- and I thought -- from Sony -- Google TV.
As a searchable way of looking through your content built into your television.
Was more exciting.
What are we take away from the price range on these things from 400 out of the 14100 dollars let the TV to 14100 dollars you're -- you're getting a TV which I thought if you're gonna buy a new T.
He had the opportunity of getting Internet capability Yahoo! we.
It's built in your TV or -- TV why wouldn't you the option was there and it's the same price.
One thing is Sony is not branding these broad via which is there traditional TV program and their positioning this as.
More sort of Internet with some TV where is probably is more TV with a little bit of an or so ago.
That's one contract that they're setting up the real value proposition around Google TV is of course search and the idea that.
Video is increasingly available over the Internet -- -- consumers gonna find it.
And provide that access to it and that's part of what Google TV offers today in advance of supporting all the applications that.
We -- supported on android Smartphones but.
The other challenge of course is that.
There's no real integration.
The broadcast -- cable stream which.
At least for most cable subscribers which which -- really been the key -- that a lot of it was -- will we see that penalized so far we've seen partnerships with fish net.
Work right how many people have that I mean I know a lot of people villains of the millions yeah but more than that.
People of cable and they have Time Warner and have Comcast and they have these other cable companies and they don't have access to that.
And therefore does it become a waste.
To even get -- built in your TV you know -- I think.
That somebody who will probably feel that the TV is sort of the last untapped screen in terms of developing apps I mean there's a lot of ways to get widgets maps whether -- -- Xbox or Yahoo! widgets.
But is no dominant player -- right now.
And Google probably feels that it's a field that somebody can still -- and move in and become the dominant player and they wanted to take a stab at it.
Yeah I mean certainly look they're all hobbies you know Hayden Steve Jobs famously called the apple TV -- hobby.
The roku box is still -- I'm a huge fan that's what it's not completely done yet probably broke whose primary job actually and -- it well.
You're correct it's -- it is a good none of them are complete and then there's still parts huge parts missing and it comes down -- Nobody is nobody is really convinced the masses.
That they want to do something on their TV other than watch TV.
You know I think I think -- yeah I think a lot more people would rather watch TV and then the same time he's a tablet phone or laptop in order to get their optics of the -- like the -- the real compelling uses that I've heard for these boxes where people.
Get excited about them.
He is basically to get more TV headline -- TV hell I -- -- -- -- -- for my Netflix could literally I can watch Hulu it's not searching Twitter on your TV like that's what you at a computer -- and to.
-- -- -- numbers got a few guys have been he.
About a third.
TV -- forty inches and above now have networking capabilities so.
The TVs are getting out there consumers are definitely hooking them up and that opens the door to a lot of different apps let's talk prices you brought up a good point about that.
Forty inches and above yes so we're looking at.
-- some cases -- browsing some even like 720.
350 boxed up for a 42 inch 720.
Television's great 600 dollars for this Sony television 24 inches 24 inches 600 dollars but.
The value proposition it's got -- team on the gun -- fifty dollar.
Seventh -- -- PTV is not a Sony yes.
I think this is also Sony's Sony's products are always higher prices whether or not they have Google TV you can't necessarily compare -- to a -- Well -- customer will.
Right and -- -- certainly get very high ratings and move sends some customers will choose -- Leo and some of Tucson right now when you look at consumer report's numbers for Vizio as you see very very often customers are going to that web site -- going well I don't wanna get into brand discussion him in the the point is that.
We're seeing more of this video over the top -- broadband video capability getting integrated.
Getting integrated into TVs which are very high volume device and Blu-ray players which are very high volume device.
That puts pressure.
On add on boxes.
And if we look at the trends with roku and apple the trend has been toward getting the price down remove that price and have better.
Get it under a hundred dollars Sony says that -- TV.
Yikes and adolescent you know I -- logged out when that string rolled past and then person writes haven't we been here before anyone remember the debacle that was web TV.
I asked this again how is Google TV.
Not -- TV when you don't have cable bill today.
But it really reminds me of is with automobiles -- for built in password she -- and then you have -- garments.
And I really feel that it is always going to be the customers simply pay a premium -- where the clutter and to have it in there even though it's hard update even though it's a clumsy or device you know if not necessarily a better device.
There's going to be -- more so are the consumer who's gonna have a little extra box that can be easily replaced -- updated at the -- more versatile -- dynamic and really -- -- -- -- Google TV is not web TV because in 1997 there was no such thing as web based media pressure -- okay -- and the did the real question is can Google focus on what people want to do with their TVs which is watch a lot of video as opposed to look at -- God I would I would -- Does have a different spin on that which is that Google TV is led TV.
But the -- is not what it -- and I thought hey that's an Internet TV mobile Internet meaning almost everything about the -- in the -- of the softer on the steps of the chat rooms together.
Weighing in on all of this -- you guys be enticed to by any TV that has global TV baked right into it for the holidays anybody when it.
Weigh in on that the price is right and it doesn't seem to be out.
Yeah it -- the price is right if you pay 600 dollars for 24 inch screen.
I don't know if you think a special software to me and it seems like -- price premium will not stand up for yeah I think it's been very effective.
Also this week and being adding results based on your friends' FaceBook.
Likes he -- search results partnership between Microsoft being and FaceBook what do we make rules don't forget that Microsoft owns a very small sliver of -- -- charm and ending up a lot of money in half and and this is one of those Microsoft likes they've met with the club Microsoft hit basements like by the -- and and if there's probably just one of these little you know that that initial investment was really just get a foot into the basement -- -- form partnerships such as us.
And you can expect a lot more of these sort of little little deals go and how much Microsoft and FaceBook.
Well Google's had Twitter in their search results for quite some time now to school office but in the search results you can find someone's profile but not necessarily -- activity -- -- Yeah I think they do -- -- -- for FaceBook phone for FaceBook now they that there's definitely the search engines in general are all very interest stated indexing this social web because they're worried.
A lot of web activity -- moved out of areas they can index so they're all really interest isn't getting into the content makes it.
More relevant now.
Other news this week Twitter FaceBook -- were on the social media topic this week we learned that I think one in four tweets.
That's what 75%.
Of all tweets just start yes and tweeting in the wind and people are paying attention to it and 30% -- -- be burned him.
I'm pretty much -- 90% of your tweets -- yeah exactly that's why I -- the record.
Obviously and it is it turns out that that Twitter is crushing.
Facebook's click -- rate but people are interacting more on FaceBook what we make of this and what does that say about the way in which were pushing out content.
Twitter is Twitter is a is more is.
Much more of a unit directional broadcast medium and FaceBook -- Twitter is much more frequently.
Use them announcing it's always used this way that is more frequently used by people.
To follow celebrities are voices that there interest again so that they can see what Kanye is saying or click on the link that Clayton -- here.
FaceBook is much more of a friend network where people are interacting on a much more equal basis so this you know makes total sense to me.
That's really look at one very powerful tweet from Kanye West will get an enormous number it's obviously where somebody stereo link on FaceBook -- -- we will with the difference -- -- and to have an opinion does that 5000 friend limit when most people have a 150 friends 200 friends on FaceBook -- -- been trying to push more into that space with fan pages and you know things are bad but ultimately ultimately ending may even call themselves differently FaceBook says they are social network Twitter says they are micro blogging platform.
True so I mean how is your use case and how is your usage now for Twitter and and I find myself on Twitter using it almost as my RSS -- now.
-- I don't jump into Google Reader as much anymore.
I have my.
Lists set up so there are certain people like follow in politics there's certain people -- follow intact there are certain people like -- in general news.
And I jump -- applications on my iPad like what board.
Like the Twitter application on on on the iPad.
And I'm reading those lists for -- now more than I ever was before and that's how -- is how you as using.
Definitely some of that but also exchange you know there there's engagement there -- there is back and forth conversations.
Easy to jump into other threads without having to have a preexisting relationship.
You do on FaceBook yet and I find that to mean engagement there and it's very easy you know it's it's obviously much easier to have a quick.
Quick -- won but how quickly it can go on too long -- -- -- -- -- got to be it you know it out and announce we're gonna like a comment yes.
You get any comments the comments.
-- what else we have on the dot anyways.
We also have let's see.
-- -- this week I thought that was under something interesting this week rolling out -- these singles.
Look -- -- the typical.
Typical article -- what.
A thousand words maybe 3000 -- longer -- pieces can get up to 3033.
At whatever somewhere and then new Yorker piece right which is maybe fifteen pages.
And I can can -- break -- the fact that my my long ago English major -- about -- a -- -- about this because the not all through the latter half of the twentieth century there was basically no way to retail essentially a short story right now bella.
The -- of the economics of publishing you either had to have something short enough to fit into an anthology magazine.
Or long enough to be really sellable as a book on on a book -- and it -- all of these people writing great.
Short stories in the -- and things that just didn't fit me length.
Categories that the cause of the economics of publishing if they couldn't necessarily make money off of an Amazon is saying hey we're in the digital world were three of these shelf space questions.
And now we may see this great creative flourishing of the.
Short story right -- so that's because let's be clear exactly how many pages were talking about here it's due to soft point we're seeing books are typically well over the 30000 words.
Well over 30000 words on the page.
Line so now authors and publishers can now submit between ten and 30000 word pieces and to what Amazon is calling their singles -- -- singles e-book.
So they're not as big as a book.
They're not as small as a long article -- somewhere in between which is what I would love to read I call -- Abdallah five chapters six chapter right right and there's also a great opportunity for people to create content it's only available through Kindle store in the Muslim as well they want to own this space and the way they really -- opportunities this.
But I think it's also -- -- that reading is.
To expand the notion of digital reading you have to go beyond the book you know we're starting to see more reading on Smartphones on the iPad things that are not.
As optimize for a long book the scandalous and I think there's a lot of filler in a lot of books to -- -- point I mean they're there because they're forcing.
The book to be longer and even get published in many books would be much better served to be much shorter per.
I love how this is a potential flash back to the kind of eighteenth and nineteenth century glory days of you know do you could buy everything on the street from a little pamphlet to a larger cereal -- -- Titanic book there there was this much broader array of things you -- read.
And hoping some great cereals come from this by the way yes they'll likely reason -- from.
What is it like for instance Jack artists in his book -- what would Google do.
I remember I you know was almost finished within I was a few chapters and I think I've heard enough.
I've heard enough examples like -- get it yet.
Play you know it's a good -- I -- -- been a better book if it was like five chapters that are gonna stuff my -- but right now like you don't need to make it this long just to -- -- -- Iraq -- I mean I'm really excited about this but let me ask you this are you worried now all those white papers that businesses -- him and thought leaders -- whatever.
Are we about to see just be that -- the Kindle singles -- flooded with white -- It doesn't mean anyone -- to buy them I mean name they'll all be under the business category in the Kindle singles or as opposed to the fiction category of the travel category as long -- -- -- right.
Yeah perhaps some of them belong in the fictions and -- part of the problem though from publishers we've been hearing this from the e-book the evil war as a war between the the printed page in the e-book is that publishers.
-- -- little known authors are are having difficulty bubbling to the top you know when you walk into a bookstore you can walk through bookstores and browse and discover authors.
It's very difficult to discover.
In the way the iBook store set up in the way to Kindle marketplace setup it's also true of the App Store and iTunes of -- -- -- Yeah he's -- means where so much so much to the screen -- is given over the top sellers.
-- lists tend to self perpetuating.
Case it's not a lot of room for discovery damn you Steve Larsen you know.
-- -- millennium New England interest not to -- Finally this week -- talk about this.
-- thought this was -- -- are you texting more and calling last says study out this week.
Showing that reports if -- -- -- 25%.
Fewer mobile phone calls per month.
Compared to the same period three years ago.
It -- -- 60000 cell phone bills according to according to Nielsen is this one of those -- done studies.
I don't talk on the phone except for maybe twenty seconds -- time and only when they absolutely have to but you know it's interesting.
-- this stunned me.
Five hours after the average time that a voicemail with listened to.
It's five hours and takes five hours before anyone listens to your voice nobody wants to listen to a voicemail and -- and one of the best things I ever got was this voicemail transcription service because I could finally and I start responding to voicemails.
Within minutes because.
The thing about a voicemail is it's almost as much of an imposition of the call yet to find somewhere quiet you have to dial in you have to use that horrible 76 and then you have to call the party back so -- get it all -- the phone number 80 number oh yeah -- awful -- -- Google Voice is transcription service is the greatest thing in the world and he just tax them back then you're a musical -- -- -- Yeah the fact that it makes all of your friends like it's it's always obscenities -- and a couple of yet -- -- it it may give it always gets the phone numbers correct Maria but it won't ever get a big names are we screwed up in the first few sentences doing what is that what.
No I'm not going to do is to I don't know what I -- to make any sense.
But also that you know when you're texting and the study also found that people are still texting even -- a phone call would take less time.
It's a very off Belgium on the phone to make a call because they know I can accomplish more with -- quick phone call and I can from twenty texts back and forth in front of them -- point.
Wonder if -- any connection between that and the number of people who have iphones.
Or iphones are better for texting -- for making.
On the Smartphones in general.
Handsets with QWERTY keyboards you know which of course I have grown tremendously over the past -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- That's one of one of our key findings.
Than that doing along with connected devices as well some more research program are they holding I'm curious if they're holding out for the televisions that don't need glasses.
-- -- not necessarily so they don't care either way that is so -- the extra bucks for just yet well you know they're all related you know leave the technology change curve and then -- the glasses.
Or not needing glasses that -- you know create more expensive televisions oh -- and and their quality issues involved as well.
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And today looking I get these tweets on a regular basis about.
What apps -- -- on the iPad -- we're heading in the holidays a lot of people buying and I matter asking for one for Christmas.
So that is this week's fox tactic we'll see you next week ever want to -- it.
Pack and and Clayton Morris for your fox -- take you know at least ten times a week I get emails from viewers saying hey -- about to buy an iPad.
What are your favorite apps okay -- I've been using the iPad now since it launched.
And I can tell you here -- feel my absolute favorite must have applications for the iPad let's take a look.
And let's start with Twitter.
This is the official Twitter application he created this column view which allows you to see tweets on the right side and then when I click on a tweet that has a link inside of it.
The link photo.
Article video pops right up inside the application -- it enables me to re tweet.
Quote with a tweet for these links to my friends also lets you use multiple accounts as you can see here on the left hand side.
Next up my favorite application on the iPad is called.
Flip board flip board works by aggregating your Twitter and FaceBook feeds into a beautiful magazine style application.
If I have a list that I created called flip politics I can jump right into that and see all of my Twitter feeds in these beautiful -- We want to make phone calls using your iPad.
There's an app for -- you can use the Skype application just like you would on your iPhone -- uses the Internet to make calls.
And you don't have to use any minutes while you're doing it just have to buy a few Skype credits if you're making a Skype to Skype phone.
Most of you probably have a Netflix account and I love the Netflix application on the iPad allows me to watch streaming movies over the three G network or why -- Right from my Netflix account anything that's in my instant queue from watching you -- my apple TV on my roku box or even my iPhone.
I can pick up right where I left off right from the Netflix application on the -- The iPad is a great book reading device are used to applications for that number one is the Apple -- store.
You can jump into any book and it looks just like you're turning the page of the book really nice user interface I can highlight text and we'll save it.
I can bookmark notes the other application is the Kindle application.
This allows me to import all of the Kindle books that I purchased across other devices and they live right here on the -- The problem with news these days is there's so much information out there my number one news reading app on the iPad is called pulse.
And their idea is to keep it simple stupid.
They want you to be able to access to your favorite news feeds fairly easily.
You want to add one of your favorite news feeds like that your times in the Wall Street Journal just touch that at it and then it's added right to your home straight.
I can scroll through it with a swipe motions and go -- any article that I want I can share with friends or increase and decrease the font size -- I'm having trouble.
The iPad is also a -- business device -- my favorite applications is go to meeting.
-- -- -- makes -- easy to attend online meetings on your iPad put in the -- ninety jump on board and you can listen to the other 7810 people.
That are involved in the meeting and then you're off and running to an online meeting on your iPad on the go and you don't have to sit at home in front of -- desktop computer you could actually go to meeting.
-- -- -- Those of you not familiar with instant paper you need to get on board with this application imagine sitting -- your desktop computer and you come across a long article that you don't have time to read now.
Well click the little read later button send it to your instant paper account and then you have access to a right here on your iPad.
Pulls -- long form articles and it cleans up the text to give you just the most important parts of the article.
There you go those -- the applications I use just about every day on my iPad if you had any questions concerns comments you can always find me on Twitter at Clayton Morris we'll see you next time.
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