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Welcome into gadgets and games on this Friday afternoon I'm Clayton Morris thank you so much for finding the show this is the show -- talk about the biggest stories of technology in the week that was.
On this Friday afternoon let's welcome in one of our guests via Skype this afternoon Robert Scoble from -- -- dot com Robert.
-- -- -- -- -- -- Ironically the current always great to see Robert thanks for joining us on the show today we have a lot to talk to talk to you about today and joining me here in New York City.
On the desk for the first run -- second time to actually being here in the flash we've always had you via Skype.
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For real journalistic reasons I must occur on the cover of the New York comic -- -- -- -- soon managed to convince our bosses to be able to do that and that's it was a thing I got to go to San Diego it was big news breaking out there in San Diego comic -- We're really isn't too -- wasn't there one in February and in New York.
It's the same Monica so big had a base that we ran up the entire -- the entire episode the -- -- -- a for the moved to.
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She's a reporter Wall Street Journal digital network and the name of the show that you do any candidates had -- -- 1 in eastern.
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I realized that a woman -- for a long time mile and will remain Gary senior editor and get a nice to see me -- welcome again SES has now you're officially in New York City having moved to Chicago we'll have moved over the weekend and it -- perfectly until today -- box on TV.
In the members have scratched the entire ball so now I hate New -- -- in the half.
Well listen -- TVs coming up maybe you can grab the new Sony the new Sony Google TV next I think I said the words 3-D TV today and my girlfriend -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- class -- I don't know if that's gonna go to.
I'm trying to well let's talk about the our big story I think this week is -- TV we saw the first iteration of Google TV in that piece of hardware the Logitech revue.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- That was just the big that's the big problem I mean -- Most families have maybe 300 bucks to spend between now and the end of the -- on one gadget that's gonna have kept their TV and I have a feeling it's going to be an Xbox connect to.
At least that's the way it is -- most my friends who have talked to black -- I really like this -- -- I really want it I just think it's a little price of the.
Yeah I mean that's what struck me immediately I think it was a collective gasp in the room on the other day.
Knew I know you're there I mean I think there's a class collective gasp and we heard that.
299 dollar price point if I -- -- -- isn't telling -- you know -- are sitting next Michael -- burned beyond the price is announcing you started this thing.
But as cobra it.
Robberies -- you really want that but it's like what do you get from I think you don't get from an apple content to your TV.
What do you get from -- that you don't get from South Africa while I have my wife is never gonna let you have to Kiki -- to our TV in the living room and I see you know Logitech revue.
Because he's the same problem the throes of -- -- -- the I -- I mean this is what you know it's it's just a box it's got.
Now here's what struck me and in and there was also another collective gasp in the room when a keyboard was announced as the -- interaction point with yeah.
You know look I wrote my piece today I that we -- a fight over remote control in the house.
-- who want this keyboards sitting on your coffee to.
I have to say that going and thankfully -- remote instead of keyboard probably -- -- expect -- me I think it was yeah didn't crumble Kuester did we partner with the use.
These hardware partners on but the price point and that's a little steep right now.
Peddling a lot more and have have an HDMI cable from your -- your TV.
Even much more than something like the Boxee box with just do that scene is gonna cost 200 dollars and you know offer the same kind of web browsing web.
Who -- interesting point -- any right now with all of this is and I mean it's.
They're all hobbies you know Steve Jobs Joseph it was a hobby for apple TV they're all hobbies right now I think this is -- but they all sold out not bad not bad -- hobby.
True no path that's that's -- that's like if -- compare to the apple TV of the the remote you don't get stupid.
Big gas remote you get your iPad -- -- -- -- -- -- are cautioning that it the iPod Touch is 229 dollars at the entry point for the good remote the apple T right.
The iPad is 500 dollars.
Having that well and I think a lot of people have died as an -- that's a solid off the hook for -- and I have heard about it and I found -- -- -- -- I had interaction and they showed off of course not just that large keyboard.
But also using it on any android or an iPhone downloads and I and I think if -- dirty enough to put -- -- on your TV you were definitely nearly enough time and I've done.
-- Anderson houses -- different than when television -- It's not listen no different from what television in that it will fail just as bad as what -- without a half I mean it's you always think that's.
Just like we calculate that there should be a plant somewhere in orbit by -- -- what it's doing to other planets also in the solar system.
All these companies seem to think that there have to be a marker for real -- -- pointing -- -- -- we've seen no indications of our calculations prove it has to exist.
-- that's why they keep coming up with these ideas that will have a really full fledged computer and that will be a keyboard and you'll want to use this -- -- -- -- When I think that the apple did a really Smart thing by simply saying.
Step one with let's look at every single successful.
Network enabled TV -- out there there is exactly what it's called the roku -- talking on the upgrade.
Let's build something like that and start from there.
Yeah that is sixty dollars of course the roku box is sixty dollars -- -- I've been a long fan of roku and what they've done.
He had the channel apps within the roku box -- you can choose and select.
You can add the roku newscaster channel which gives you some content from some fox from ABC CBS.
Embassy but even so they're able to get people interest -- and by simply saying you know you're supposed to scrap Netflix.
Great of a free service called network Netflix streaming gives eighty bucks -- give you tens of thousands of movies and TV shows you don't have to pay an extra penny for and it will all be in HD none of the stuff but with the convergence device android apps will be deployed across.
You'll be able to find out what's makers because of the NBA stars are playing why want to -- yeah Google goes.
On and on about how people don't wanna switch from and what one can put to -- -- that they're building this box to takeover -- but one more layer everything and then go one.
The fact of the matter is people are very comfortable switching and -- Is it -- -- McCain walks through daddy's truck accident Blu-ray player -- -- all the time except for my mom who needs me to come home.
Read once a month to figure out why not what is on what device -- a restaurant but -- -- that.
40% of my company's revenue it.
Aren't these devices really can be judged on what contents available on them because like I I was trying to watch the Xbox Live.
Concert the other night Neil Young was not at farm -- and it -- It was being streamed on Xbox Live.
And I couldn't watch it on my rock and roku box in my -- it's my Xbox didn't play -- -- -- At that point I would have considered buying you know what and one of these boxes if I knew it played and -- the people tell me the same -- about Hulu is my favorite TV show available on this -- may be -- by one.
It -- -- -- that one big advantage and that if you do make the web -- -- the some of the experience -- not tell people this is the web browsing device.
As simply say here on YouTube great YouTube video player pulls rendering speed TV you subscribe to Hulu plus great they'll play -- -- will determine your on your screen.
It is a problem when you get into like the apple TV rental system.
And you start to see great I guess I'll be able to see last night's Big Bang theory now that's not available for you know maybe they'll be able to see left plates are a talk show or even a partner from -- no that one's being held for purchase.
They make a replay because what was so frustrating I wrote a piece a few weeks ago about roku and evidently this at a fan of them for a long time and I started up he's facing I don't tell -- -- but I don't have cable network and in cable but I just managed to you know I have in my office I have always different ways and watching content.
Through my roku box here and huge BitTorrent and I all of the pirate problem apparently had a lot of stopping me and I download Linux I guess today I get 1950s videos from the from Internet archive that is the only thing I grabbed him.
But I had Netflix streaming so I get all these shows you know no one wants a full season of Dexter get it this way but now.
The other night it struck me -- we couldn't watch modern family.
I couldn't put on modern family because it wasn't available yet here it wasn't available here I couldn't get it's it I was like you know what that's it.
Just getting cable kind of sick of it.
-- -- -- Kind of like -- -- broadcast over the air you can just and I think Greg but I couldn't watch it live because I was I was out doing something it couldn't watch it live I you know I -- -- relation conversation with Tivo Mathis because they always gone on how they wanna be -- -- I said wanting to build a box about all of this cable card job.
Was just an over the air tuner because that's what most people want -- and then all these rest of the service immigration and say this is the boss who only.
Cut your cable -- because that they feel like man that took you up.
When the -- -- -- from analog to digital I instantly went from having about eleven or twelve channels available to time to.
I don't think anybody can element here I cannot get any real any -- you live outside of Boston on the night live I live in Manhattan.
And I get like three channel yes soreness which went I will be there -- great and I follow wants like fox or CBS wants to -- football or something.
It's a crystal clear signal it's almost as good as Blu-ray we know because and when -- get the cable box and ends of compressing it like crazy and so drops it down for her picture quality but.
Yeah that would be great if I can just get broadcast television.
Through a box that I can even Tebow and instead of having to stick one of those I Ellen Gado -- in the -- and be whatever it is you know.
So here's a TV opportunity -- Sony and -- we can throw the invites for Sony next week.
Google TV baked into the new Sony television.
Unveiled unveiling next week so here's yet another iteration of Google TV.
We should be clear to Google TV of course is the software and all these different hardware manufacturers can take take advantage of it in whatever capacity we want.
But is this perhaps what you're talking about any this might might be the solution.
It's there it's in the TV by.
There's a web browser that there is looking at a picture -- for this -- -- that's what I think -- elements throughout his like.
-- -- -- -- -- giant gap again once again with his giant removal.
That one of the big problems those that a lot of people look for reasons that we've just been discussing.
I got broken from the TV habit because of my inability to only -- -- I can only get really TV in one room after the Lieberman has all the cable TV.
But that's -- I sort of -- realize that you know what it's okay if I start one season behind on lost because.
That's available on roku it's okay if I miss this big things going to be I -- next -- -- because.
If it survives that and 330 three episodes -- -- eventually gonna group mooring and through Meserve -- if it has canceled after three I never need to worry about -- -- murdered by the.
The opposite explain myself I would refuse you know I had always been a fan of Netflix I have I have cable would have been a fan Netflix and lots and -- -- -- -- -- media -- And this past Sunday night.
My cable was out and I couldn't watch -- I defended -- previous season few previous seasons catching up on Netflix announced and I couldn't watch it and -- the Clinton gave him.
Dialogue and tweet about it everything that that only got I don't know I -- -- a -- cutter and a yeah that's some.
And and that's why I think you know you in many ways Robert.
The Google TV.
Relies more on cable that it does the web it to do to have the experience of and one of the best features of Google TV is the ability to search your DVR -- to look at all of these things.
That are available so -- -- more relying on cable that you are not right.
-- -- I don't getting rid of cable I mean a lot like a lot of the kids in college friends are.
But I still want sports I still want -- the live shows I want I want content that is only available and on cable so far and I've.
It's not going to be play eleven when they get rid of the cable box I swear last night was a revelation was the first night with cable and two years.
And it was glorious and I was watching all I'm I would want available through Animal Planet like -- -- I don't I don't know what the world.
I don't know -- I can tell me about welcomed its reliance and it.
-- I don't have a 3-D TV by my nephew that his -- just spotted a 3-D TV and he's like there's no contest here but I'm watching ESP and it died early and like sports -- and that shows you a poll of distribution.
Systems right if you.
If you get distribute if you get con tent that you want to watch that's available in glorious HD.
It's hard to fight that with online media.
This is -- our rights in the chat room if you really wanted to see you could just use a VCR.
'cause I don't -- VHS tapes anymore Michael -- yes you can.
-- you can DVR this content search for it through this box but only if it's an additional ten and that's and then that's actually I think that -- the biggest hurdle for him.
Heard the new multi platform is what it's on the Sony TV here the Logitech box is it's not actually integrated with TV.
I mustered just our subscriber in which case you have to pay for their box there's -- -- -- and four dollars on top of that.
For four dollars a month for Google TV so it's not gonna work at all with Tivo it's not gonna work at all with your current -- -- know but it doesn't know anything about Tivo.
So I don't know Tivo interface they push the button and do field literally dropped on front of it.
-- this -- gets back down to the the people who buy this this Christmas are gonna buy it for Hulu Netflix YouTube.
And what else.
And I 200 dollars -- the stuff you can't get on and I don't think they're gonna -- -- other -- the big the big atom -- with a 300 dollar price is to say okay over here we have Google TV we have it's totally -- service -- just one big developer -- and nothing else.
Or for the same amount of money we can put -- roku and or an apple TV on every set in your entire -- Gaming console and because plots and and -- and I don't have or gaming console and an apple TV right it's like I think some.
In an unpopular than he the Logitech price for the camera is a 150 dollars if it's a year -- and video chat solution with Logitech isn't thousand dollars or not they're.
I thank you everybody -- -- cover my house is gonna get it.
View that the Xbox Kinect and they're gonna want an Xbox and Xbox -- there and I even guess media apple TV -- I can see the Google TV they're not gonna see the roku box.
We're gonna spend all or evenings on Xbox this Christmas.
Yeah there's one more way to get stuff on your TV that I think is much forged into TV and -- browser which is if you buy a laptop with why Diana.
This Intel wireless streaming service the box is a hundred dollars before that in your TV.
And he can shoot anything that's on a laptop to your TV or you're eating your let me -- you on TV yet he had this to me there's four or five kind of external solutions are quite a dongle but that's not.
With a lot of stuff -- baked into the laptops what is the answer trying to make the living room simple and I guess I come back as they get to hear from.
A lot of viewers are just -- symbol they don't want all of these courts and dongle -- I would -- -- -- -- -- -- Had that with a Toshiba laptop and the quality wasn't all that great and that I really don't wanna see stuff on my on my laptop up on my computer comedy or anybody wanna that suffered Google Chrome on -- Logitech review.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- There were were breaking told generation of the habit of sitting down and watching television they have broken -- but now they get there they're there they're content either legally or illegally by hitting a web browser or -- when you say hey you mean they can't turn it can be okay.
Today yeah -- all of the -- speaker like would have.
Relevant but I think about it he -- once videos to comic con to refresh.
Was alert you look at with Kansas trying a bit of a that's slang dictionary please open but too much on getting -- -- -- I think that they I think Google -- the Logitech seems to have made advice that's perfect for people over fifty years and over I don't think demanded by the relevant for anybody under the eight point five.
Well we're gonna -- a break we come back out here in -- perspective on I think you and I both started reader you might have finished generated shall those -- Nicholas -- book and wrote a great piece about.
Driven to distraction and how our minds are so malleable these days with or or maybe not maybe -- -- -- their -- with all this Internet addiction that we have.
Outlook and also has been working on.
Mobile television we'll talk about flo TV the death of flo TV in some capacity and get her take on all of that.
Plus we're gonna talk about Windows Phone 7.
And so much more when we come back here and get some games.
Welcome back to -- games on this Friday afternoon thanks everyone for weighing in the chat room today if you haven't signed in general please do some great comments there.
And I want to welcome our guests back to the show via Skype this afternoon Robert Scoble areas there's the man the dream.
Here asset is -- I -- Lauren -- and Indian not -- and we were just talking in the break here about them when it's a Windows Phone 7 in just a moment but.
The the death of flo TV.
Not all come announcing that -- -- -- -- done with it.
Well it's suspending sales of the devices and people that have current subscription successful C -- the French Vanilla that you've been doing a lot of coverage of the mobile TV experience -- television with new and different devices.
-- how -- flo TV work.
Did it work well and what is the future of mobile television.
Well reviewed it earlier this year I did find that it worked pretty well I argued that keeps you have your hands right there plain and I was not trying it on the eighteenth here sprint fell on that had receivers -- -- -- I found it worked well I was able to watch lots of World Cup action -- -- NBC action.
You know when I could get a signal but what I found with that we here at the end of an onboard memory and it couldn't -- -- material so I think for example.
On the subway or -- -- you can get a signal -- couldn't watch the TV.
I thought if transplantable Hyatt and I 250 dollars of legal vote in toward the end all comments on -- throwing some.
Some additional -- -- subscription bonuses for people.
An economy that was a monthly price to it was like what a month about his background ten dollars month yeah -- up to fourteen if you wanted you know extra channels.
And those were special mobile channels of content so for example I was watching ESPN World Cup on flow.
It wouldn't necessarily think that -- you know you're watching with you when you're watching -- -- But any sort of question this whole idea what TV watching really is right.
If you're carrying something with you on the go it's a much more I think active experience where.
You know growing up and I think I speak for all of us here when you're watching TV is very it was very you know come home relax sit back and -- have a content that you -- -- little -- more.
-- you just have to wonder.
I guess and you know what.
-- consumers not so -- sitting in these devices.
Maybe that's true and you know the other day -- my Phillies are now on the playoffs and I was watching the game.
One of my favorite sports bars here have been some wings and then just walking home about -- fifth inning -- to get home.
And I was watching the MLB app on my iPhone and watching and so in that experience has finally somewhat in the game walking walking in a telephone -- -- I'm when I'm walking.
But for the most part -- on the go and I'm I'm constant travel and walking through city.
I'm not going to be.
Wanted to watch content while I'm on a walk in the park or watch television -- -- -- walk in the park who wants it back with their feet up the being at the -- -- different thing.
You're traveling a lot so he's a part of the problem we just don't want to be watching live television -- ago.
I could be found there's actually a whole other nation that's going on across the country there's -- coalition called open mobile video coalition and what they've been pushing.
Up for the past few years is this idea of free local broadcast.
On devices that have these special mobile DT B and DTV -- -- them.
And they think conducting this -- post consumer showcase in Washington.
Other past twelve months being given people's cellphones that have these chips that are able pulled on free local book broadcast -- that and what they're finding -- studies that people do you.
Want these devices but I don't necessarily want to pay for it and I think -- -- -- yeah you work you know the purpose of testing they were handed the Samsung moment cell -- and there's an -- try -- -- -- the consumer be active in going out and buying that first of.
Questions we I use a lot as SlingPlayer on the iPhone and I Droid that I should great because it's my TV.
Right so I can get American -- -- DVR our shows and watch whatever life he is happening it's like you by the boxing by the app.
-- set you not paying subscriptions that works pretty well over three G.
I think that's really more of the -- you want access to -- -- contact.
And a lot -- are -- -- what you DVR yeah.
What do that and I think Clayton I think things are changing you know win win that San Bruno blew up and they had that big fire people at that at -- -- -- launch party were watching the news.
Live streaming on their iphones and I was the first event I've really seen a lot of people pull out their phones and start looking for live video on on their mobile phones at least in America I mean I know -- Europeans do it all the time but right it's just this year to -- that he had an idea of watching video on a mobile phone really is is gone means.
And and in Japan to in Japan since suffering much more widespread because they're just much more -- -- -- -- -- the other sort of -- the current well and everything you stand and then the one -- TV standard right hand within.
I was about an established here tonight and they have very small living rooms so you don't know what to.
It's called -- on my own contents if it.
It's the first time.
YouTube is available on HMO five and is available on a lot more platforms side I'm noticing a lot more hits a lot more visitors from from mobile so mobile phones.
And Matt Collins novel.
But -- -- -- a couple of you're talking about YouTube right and there's the difference there between YouTube offering obviously in this live -- local news -- that you're talking about and for broadcasters.
This really is a way for them to stay viable that's an old cable term called him transactions they want to maintain your transactions that would keep your eyes on the screen.
As we all become -- mobile world running around -- animal devices.
-- the way for broadcasters to stay relevant stay viable and to keep people's eyes on that screen they're looking for what -- He is an option for that thirteen -- and -- different -- you hear me now.
Oh and Twitter I mean channel seven was active in Twitter.
And reporting the news that that that evening and re -- other things and then pull you back -- live video feed it was very Smart marketing on their behalf.
I think the biggest problem -- was in the technology is just the fact that.
There is no one aggregated source for all the TV compound where if you wanna get a book you know that all -- can be gotten together and basically make sure that almost every -- Apple Store has everything you could possibly get.
Thinking for music stores with TV it's always what box you have good deals were cut what story you yeah -- you don't -- -- and then -- them.
I've got a big strategy of do we want to -- -- order wanna try to get people to buy this season path again you're -- getting people to get into the habit of using that provides for television.
Yet we were still few years away from finding is fully baked and would be your eyes -- solutions solve his problems are basically a cable box and DVR right but it's still the best solution what what was like oh you're talking earlier.
He made it coming about I don't know that the pair hit a degree through a few days ago -- -- when the characters really frustrated -- I.
I only found last night's episode I -- -- a torrent of at a -- Federer -- and get on his.
Call these people tell -- I want TV they will bring TV if anything her house for you to.
But here is -- country like a -- trying to find that would TV can be -- We have it was a -- -- -- like in my house I would I would like try this device I was trying this little device in my computer I can get a show here can pull it from here at the end of the day I don't.
Hello I did and I did you know and I didn't really needed all that much and so when I had when there was something I needed to see that was lie that was on ESPN or something.
-- -- -- -- I was like you know what how could -- -- this LeBron James announcement.
The only way in my house with the Internet and everything I had set up the only way I can watch it.
Was on cable television or flow so that LeBron james' ridiculous announcement could.
Months ago for -- probably.
-- The couple other big stories that we wanna get to today.
Well I guess let's talk about.
Windows Phone 7 next week we'll see the unveiling.
For the first time of Windows Phone 7.
Fully baked I don't when and get -- when you have looked at it mid summer it's still not.
It was still not fully baked in in what I.
I haven't I -- and I should've brought -- device batteries and a battery died when a -- team.
I'm if you can.
Technology since I was here again he had it here on the show last week we're playing with we are playing with you have that device yeah I had my device -- -- -- got a lot of so what are your thoughts I mean is it.
You know it is it's it's it's very much I found one.
Right if you remember kind of loans where -- -- one was he using this is totally different.
This makes so much sense wise and everything -- like this in the past.
That's Fortis -- -- that point we see the potential and the experience that it has has been completed so it's an iPhone four years ago.
While three years ago that was like really different it if you never knew about -- fan you would not come up with.
It's different -- -- been -- and I found everybody on the team that I've seen a Microsoft thoughts -- music which has been an intimate ongoing joke list.
They say they have got them -- one of the problems it's going to be problem is you're always jumping out of apps you've got to find services in this nothing's integrated.
In the cabinets but.
Feature wise it's behind -- and copy and paste -- it remains to be seen how much the browsers support as an additional five there's a lot of the holes on the platform.
They'll get there are no doubt they get for my shots from billions dollars this thing yeah.
But it's more finished and I think that's actually really important and that's very important for Microsoft because to compete at this level right now -- android to compete with all of these android phones that are out there and I -- You can't come out.
With a phone that's half baked -- have to come out hit the ground running.
And even more important things that you can't compete believe -- -- by competing.
Where apple could not have built created successful iPhone but they must make a knockoff of the Blackburn -- make enough couple Windows Mobile.
They created a brand new market and create a new -- -- -- this before.
That's why I'm so impressed with Windows Mobile -- -- -- -- seven -- I know I can't -- yeah but they're really the first phone I think that the iPhone that does not look like picture -- any DNA whatsoever with the -- -- trying to get people.
Who've been turned off by other.
-- -- -- -- DC yeah it's based on some research that they think that this is maybe just gonna have as Microsoft -- just a little bit and -- -- -- my way well that's -- -- -- -- from garner and mr.
-- Cisco won't.
That's an article -- do my best golf -- -- I don't know the other day on Fox Business you said you thought the Halcyon days of Microsoft were over in a way.
Do you believe the Gartner researcher says you know this might help him a little bit that -- -- slip back.
Down for them.
It's -- -- there and a deep hole and yes this is uninteresting device I want want -- played with a one it's I agree with all the other -- that's on -- -- But this thing has no outs yet on Monday we're gonna find out just how many -- they have let's say it's 30000 apps that's competing with -- -- which has a hundred something thousand apps and that apple which has 270 pounds and help our numbers the most important thing or are developers who make quality apps the most important.
When you go to the store you're gonna say does that have that bump up by sun TV does that have looked good base but -- does that have.
You know something like that -- and -- that I gave every day.
About -- that that's an excellent -- -- pat I know but -- the best rated and -- and you'll learn we're gonna you know you're gonna get.
Everybody looks at this phone is gonna compare.
Their fund that Windows Phone 7 with an iPhone and android phone and say are the apps that all my friends have are they available.
And they're gonna find a lot apps that aren't yet available I thought -- go around the world and interview startups.
And there's a lot of developers who are on the sidelines saying we're not gonna do Windows Phone 7.
Until they prove that they can sell it a good number of phones and that there's a market here -- -- loss -- -- to get a pieces.
-- even pointing out that developers might not.
Are are not terribly thrilled with it and they're probably not gonna jump on board is that something that we see like -- slow it.
It is going to be another webos Palm Pre webos.
Well listen how much I guess there's tons and -- right and I decide they're gonna throw money that's in the works.
My dividends have been throwing a lot of effort and elegantly with the best equipment is going to be in the going to be -- can -- I don't think I'll give McCann was out now.
So -- Lot of it is helpful if if if if you must have -- and outside the sort of faith and it.
I was gonna say we're never going to be through -- for two years we've got a good product in two years' time we're going to be a good one eyewitness.
I was just at Microsoft -- -- and I guess I just talked with they had had a PR and lots of executives -- there.
This is not a -- this is something that they're gonna bet on for two to five years.
And that's why they're not short worried that that well think again but you know this this world changes so fast that they don't if they don't.
Have traction in the year that's going to be a problem yeah.
Yeah I get a go ahead and finish that thought right OK I think they're gonna get traction but that's I think the phone speaks for itself you go in the store.
I think I agree with everybody they -- you look at the you -- -- looks different it feels good it has some really good new apps that.
That the other platforms don't have you you're always praising the FaceBook app on here the FaceBook app on iPhone -- I wanna see -- what they're gonna do for iPhone.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Where the stores where are gonna play and Barbara -- interest thing yeah I respect sir and a little behind again I'm sure there.
-- they're not all right it's time.
Excellent seamlessly big thing with time running out of time includes a little bit lower screen resolution not right -- wrong on screen sizes -- -- not only have a few form factors like.
Maybe one device assigning key word.
What we know we have to see who exactly -- -- -- -- look like but Kevin gonna throw the some of the photos of those were chatting about this but what I think is interesting about the platform is.
When you look at android injuring his.
All over the place it is in my eyes and -- Google needs to take control -- -- did.
They need to shore up their platform -- you stop what enters your wallet.
Is taking control by.
And look at this I mean look at the finished if you look at the -- polish of the you know that the tiles admitted it looks like a polished operating system into your point Andy.
They weren't competing by competing they built this from the ground up and it's completely different.
I also I don't know if the.
App Store is going to be as big factors we think it is because if there are if you have an App Store with.
They -- and you have to only but they happen to be the they'd have to look for in the first when they -- is brilliant.
Right back then people don't care there's there's 2000 -- -- heart they have we -- The -- to -- like floor there's like a Baker's dozen of the twelve after the everybody want and a good example we want you know.
-- totally disagree.
You know yeah.
I heard this argument when you -- really -- this -- and Microsoft thought I was all the time.
There's too many features in Microsoft Office.
Well which of the ten which 10% should we cut out and every 10% of the features had a 100000 users and and this is true on -- and everybody.
Has a different set of apps every bank has -- -- every every newspaper every MP media company well I'll -- -- -- apps they download may be too don't I don't would be on the market now.
Members indefinitely and without market expected -- I know -- dollars in sales in the coming when you think that you want to at least get on -- -- ramp up -- -- that's a good question how do you have to -- way excited does that mean here's how much stuff solve this problem because of Microsoft they are paying developers like to make applications right and they have the ability -- what some -- never had that available and they also want some of their own own employees funnily enough that he's been some of their spare time.
And you know I don't know which employees are most important to Robert's other point.
Their employees in the office division have create an office happens platform which no other.
Smartphones and that's huge appeal his accuser he can run office and it's time Robert mr.
Microsoft let me ask you this question is it compelling enough to have this phone we.
-- when you can already you know one of the big -- a few years ago was all I could I think it -- Microsoft Exchange on my iPhone I can.
With active -- I can't I can get it on a Blackberry I can't get it here -- -- -- can get an iPhone for enterprise.
Is there a compelling enough reason for someone to abandon the iPhone four they just bought that new Droid X that they just -- -- in favor of Windows Phone 7.
But I don't think that's you -- -- playing for I think if you've already Bada.
Let's play ten modern super phone or Smart -- whatever you call these things I don't think you're in play for buying -- these things I think he they're aiming at people who haven't yet upgraded to a -- -- and they're gonna go in and walked into a store and the carriers are totally in charge -- right yeah you're -- watching the Verizon store you -- say show me the three phones that are available on Verizon.
And they're gonna show you Google phone and a window -- mobile phone you're gonna look at you -- and say well that's impressive.
But the USA does it doesn't do you have these five -- that my friends already have and there they're gonna say well there's three of them here and no not not on the ice.
You're not going to be able to Washington Verizon store and see when this concept device is that going to be a -- -- actually launch that's -- -- however if you.
That's right and -- out of this in -- and -- chat room wants all of us to answer this question who here on the panel would dump their current phone or iPhone.
And switch to Windows Phone 7.
Probably not because I'm too committed to the apple architect of the apple and the ecosystem at this point the iTunes all of the -- you have -- -- -- -- the apps in the App Store that adamant all connected.
I have -- future -- on -- sound like.
I don't know -- iPhone four for testing purposes is that black area had a -- Samsung flip phone from that Verizon an Obama calls on.
I don't know if I would give up.
Situation I have now permit.
On Windows 7 operating that he.
But it would only -- that good -- every -- 350 -- on here of about 200 dollars worth the expense.
That's 200 dollars that's locked it -- I have -- getting in here.
And I'm not likely to get rid of this any time soon.
That's something that people have already decided on android or or you know modern -- if you -- -- -- Nokia and they in -- gonna go and look at.
Windows Mobile phone.
Yeah and yet you contract in -- would you do if I'm -- I'm counting my capsule -- what he can definitely.
-- -- is an extremely and why after this.
So I -- I mean I have I have.
I have three pages of you know nested folders filled with fast -- and so yeah I think that's part of the issue raised -- I was in a salutary.
I found my -- -- acts which also -- the battery today and I've been carrying the stands on the first night.
When this phone seven devices switching back and forth between them.
Which is actually very confused and I don't recommend it.
I'm Samir in the Karan says 200 dollars is the big barrier to -- deleting that's BS -- I've spent so many weekends looking for great apps.
Figuring out which ones are good for me -- what but I would actually use.
I'm not likely to go and try to figure out what that the Windows Mobile phone equivalent or even the amber -- -- -- -- you spend on -- Gary Hart and perhaps but you're not likely to look perhaps someone that's from seven.
Now I'm I'm not now that I've decided on those apps and I have them all working and -- know what's good.
That's a huge lot -- that's gonna keep me from moving the other platforms even if they give me the phones for free and I get clothes for free all the time.
They -- yet some -- -- this a good question for everyone here move on to other stories but mr.
Not in the Sharon says -- sir it's coming up my bad -- It.
How often do you use all of these apps we've -- that these apps do we used to your point the dozen or so that we most rely on or are Robert are you using your 320 apps on a regular basis.
Actually this is missing -- -- -- -- -- -- put aside there's lots of apps that you use once a month like I I have a an app that lets me you know see a map.
I shopping mall and figure out where where that it apple stories in -- mall before I get in and and I can migrate do it.
And -- are only going to shopping malls once a month song never gonna I'm not gonna use that out every day read -- it's going to be once a month -- I have to figure out where this story is my wife once they don't pick ups and slacks or something like that right yeah.
-- Robert clean yourself up go get some slacks.
That's -- -- sort of finalize the -- of the apple -- fortify our hands right it's.
Great with right like that we can use all -- -- and I agree with Robert there I mean there's certain absent certain news -- and costly and Twitter who's sweet and you know and FaceBook and I'm -- -- using.
And then there are those like the New York subway -- -- -- jump in once in awhile just to check out subway line to make sure I've got you know the right thing and whatever.
But 320 of them there -- -- that I bought that I I've used maybe once or never -- I think that -- three the number -- my body is -- we're number because.
The way that you can sample apps on the apple App Store so poor that oftentimes I'm glad that the photo -- but I really like the Buckeyes but I spent ten bucks by three other refs that's really the only way you can work through it and figure which one is -- -- -- -- on -- -- -- -- -- -- a bit and I've got twelve daily -- thirty -- forty -- on the record goes in the right.
I want to know that you're selling something bad happening are gonna look back up like that -- from 1997 and let me.
Oh yeah everybody in there -- accidental -- the first.
-- -- first -- generation of -- -- -- now from the App Store that -- you look how how they managed to squeak this through how it how is anyone even using this now that the level of you know architecture has increased.
Michael -- -- Sharon says you know -- phone.
Hasn't been hurt by a lack of Verizon which brings us to some of the rumors that have been floating around this week.
This week a newspaper.
Of which we have one panelist from the Wall Street Journal Lauren.
This we've broken a story again.
We've heard this story multiple time multiple different sources that Verizon is in fact and have the iPhone and it's gonna happen just after Christmas.
-- you know -- I said on on Barney show yesterday I just -- doesn't make sense to but it doesn't make any sense and when I I I.
Asked source and apple about this this person just laughed so I just I thought I.
And you know I don't know it just doesn't make much sense to me that right after Christmas we see a Verizon iPhone.
Number one after Christmas but number two because we see a schedule of apple releasing iphones in June.
We're making announcements and you.
What do you guys think of these most recent real easy products and -- products in January is not.
By any means and out of the ordinary thing -- apple -- -- was in January cuts and everything that I that was an announcements but not.
Launches right so -- announcement but -- -- are on sale of the awful awful I don't.
Think they would do it as a big -- putting announcement it would be -- don't think oh by the way -- we're grading multiple carriers to the lineup one of them happens we Verizon that's gonna start -- about a month.
Unless the decide -- tied to the iPhone 5.
And they really don't think they would have us I think it would be a huge sec tournament I mean well I think if it -- -- there's nothing if not media attention well but.
Then again you're having so your -- in this event.
What is your message going to be.
Your message from Apple's point of view -- only selfish and positive way to make that message is that we are no longer single carrier phone we are now give me beyond simply give you option towards corporate partner in Verizon.
If you're gonna say everybody -- told us how much AT&T thing.
We have heard and we have listened we hated to -- at.
I think it's going to be interesting if you let -- and -- probably poses more questions than provide answers to whether or not.
It's actually be offered on Verizon's LTE four G network because -- -- keep rising -- way out.
Its plans for rolling that out more cities across the US this line that a lot of people -- writing the journal.
I think that same question.
Yeah that's a good question Robert I mean that's one of the things that I I thought to that this is not something Apple's not a fan of the CDMA technology the older architecture on which Verizon operates.
So yes they have the CDMA phones we know that they've been working with them and testing them that's what apple of course would have done testing these different -- -- for years.
What will it roll out of phone on the older architecture or will they wait and roll -- out on Verizon LTE four G network later.
I'm wondering this -- -- it.
When the wind if the up rise in -- comes out there's going to be a lot of complaints because our usage of bones has changed since probably.
Probably 90% of the time I'm looking at the phone like this even while I'm talking as people like you and I'm poking around the Internet and doing things while I'm talking -- my headset.
And you can't do that with a Verizon -- Verizon -- when you're talking on voice it shuts off the Internet -- -- the data plan.
I wonder if that's going to be showstopper for apple and if they're gonna say well let's go with the new technology which doesn't do that.
Because we're gonna get complaints from people who try these -- -- -- on the show stopper for any endured right because but I.
Apple unaudited outcome -- Let's let's talk about that I talked to retailers and people people who -- -- This that the people who use -- -- it if you go to the fourth story.
And talk to the person -- four a dot com she says 80% of people use mobile data apps in her stores are using an iPhone so we have.
And yet seen the really heavy users of -- he had data world.
You know come in Q platform yet we just haven't seen that yet and and bright.
It's going to be trying to get people like need to switch over to Verizon.
And that and people like me are gonna try this president found a way to I can't use my phone and -- and the data plan.
Think -- over the years people like me who can't use anything he at all brand rather have some service the most -- That's yeah it's it's true -- but the other -- -- apple has promoted that and television commercials that you can make a call.
And be surfing the web.
So if you know I think that flooding that was in response to when they may need to have an answer to the -- -- -- to the question why -- not available on Verizon why you walked in 12 carrier.
I think that if if and when they make this move because they will not do -- unless they can provided -- the answer to a question and the solution -- probably wouldn't do it just to simply say.
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Okay the camera is nothing like Google heard FF OK they've got rid of that really good -- switching feature because that was -- useful for people.
Yet it's video it's very hard to navigate on the -- and ask Europe -- We're -- -- a quick break -- right back here and -- the games are gonna talk about multitasking.
And how your brain needs a break after all will be right back.
I welcome back you're -- -- games on this Friday you know there's a book out there pretty darn good book called the shall those by Nicholas Carr.
And I think his main argument is that the Internet has done something to our brains but what exactly has it done to our brains -- -- not -- has and the blog post in the blog post peace in the Chicago sun times.
-- a week ago or so.
Your take on everything what's the take away we live in this gadget world we're grabbing stuff constantly we're lacking focus is it hurting us is killing us.
Yeah it's it's really interesting because we tend to think that our brains can do anything that we activist.
But of the mirror science has to say that know -- brain was built to do a certain work a certain way and that gadgets tend to sort short circuit the way to confined to work.
Among them is that the -- is just not very good at multitask that we can break up but we can we think we can write back and read a column.
Sort of -- -- -- -- now and then have a phone call comes and do some research found that while the moment but with -- time.
But the brain is not good at doing that.
Part of the lessons from their appliances that you really need to adapt the way you work to reduce the amount distractions and and eruptions that these devices give you.
A lot of really think stuff and everything about it suggests that it's not just that.
This is the architect of the brain but also that there's evolutionary reasons why.
If you do things like if you have your iPhone or your your your from affected is paying a little every time you get you can email.
It's not just a simple convenient thing.
The idea that we're supposed to be focusing as -- I'm building with ax handle.
But we can't get so engrossed in -- that we get we don't listen for a girls in the bushes clintons -- but you gotta go.
Basically the the way to bring the Fed up every ActiveX kind of distraction by giving for mild panic response thing property during right now disconnect investigate that.
And so it I think in this this housing -- -- -- -- that point that you are getting sort of a minor panic.
The emergency situation every time your email from doing things do you.
Until this a lot of different things for May be trained to network what they're turned off every single device that makes -- noise when you know.
Of partly for the reason that realized that belatedly that it's like the car alarm this thing going off on what I -- I -- actually -- So how is your workflow now and -- be sitting got to read along column or you wanna reviewed gadget he once spent some time doing something.
Do you feel like your workflow is improved by shutting everything down apple actually because I think the -- that -- -- experimental mission rules and actually sticking to -- that there were real wolf.
I -- one of them is that I'm not gonna start something I'm not allowed to do anything else -- -- benefit.
And it might take me more than say five minister read a column you know my by Democrat running -- hopeful hopefully -- that.
But it means that -- I'm gonna get to the facts are trying to finish these next three paragraphs -- explain how this technology works.
And I'm not gonna go to Twitter for a second about answering -- and I could do anything but do that until it gets that kind of and lots of other -- rules two.
Like making sure that.
All distractions all destruction being turned off another thing being that every time I finish something an experience I make sure do nothing for a full minute or two afterwards.
This is another thing that was sort of a neurological.
Explanation that the brain can either quickly processed information and just simply can't handle it -- from assembly line -- the earth mission comes any profit through.
Profits and and goes out.
Or if you give your brain from time to -- between the path.
That allows the brain to sort of really integrated into the program.
That's the reason why you might have spent so a half an hour watching a TV show.
But things simply remember nothing about -- -- -- the characters don't remove any information -- you meet somebody forget their names because you didn't of the brain thirty seconds to do nothing and -- simply formally.
That's the way in which I used to -- -- relishes his wife go to borders or Barnes and -- sit for a few hours and I would just poured through you know the newspapers hit you start to finish.
-- time magazine start to finish grab New Yorkers start to finish.
And then those like a long form pieces of journalism's would would stay with me.
For much -- -- call source information to be able to pull that when I'm on the air and we'll remember when David plus.
On the Obama campaign said this well that's always had too much you know and I'm able to pull from that now I'm finding over the past three years because I'm picking so much -- That I'm never well -- I'd really try to pull back from this but I haven't been diving in as deeply as I once was and enjoying that long form journalism.
There seems to be a bit of a movement afoot now.
And in fact with the purchase of techcrunch by AOL.
I think and -- that Jason Calacanis talking about wanting to start.
A new -- that would create longer form more thoughtful pieces of journalism.
So I think there's something to be said for that but I got to ask Robert half the man who -- I think this eighty things at once and had acquired in all the time what do you think about that.
Did did you -- stuff that goes -- America.
Are you feel like focus ever yeah I've -- -- I'd like actually tell how.
Focus times ahead for instance -- do -- hour.
Show every day where I.
Just focus on the gas tonight.
You don't see me answering phone and I don't get on Twitter I don't do email and that's an hour right focus on somebody else and focus on learning something new.
I also the best thing I did this year by far was figuring out Google's filtering system the -- -- filtering system.
And still turning my email -- to get rid of anything automatic.
Any FaceBook notification goes into a folder.
And any email that is an automatic email any anything that -- -- goes away from my inbox that is made me dramatically more productive I still can't answer every email but now at least I can -- at all and it and the automatic stuff -- span kind of things are not in my inbox and and distracting me away from -- things that could could be -- adding value to.
-- from Sacramento writes in a chat room one of the things I hate about tech is that I can no longer spell.
-- That is my camera phone numbers a year ago yeah I can't remember he -- -- correctly it I can't.
My handwriting has gone I mean I do all of my interaction now through typing in the latest study the other day that said you know.
Our brains need to decompress we need that time to sort of reconstructed.
And they studied folks in -- city.
And then also those those same folks in a park and what they found was the brain chemistry of those folks who went to the park for that ten minute break.
They were able to -- call more information.
-- there -- their stress levels were reduced.
Because within a city work constantly being inundated with a stimuli that we are brains never get to that even like thirty seconds of rest that we might even get to -- -- -- -- so much smarter when I was a smoker.
Tiger you have that you always -- And I run a mile that I can -- yeah.
Given that this user of the study those kind of like that where they put people into two groups of people into different rooms where they -- the most the numbers and then there's that that if remember what was.
In one group they got a five minute break after seeing -- numbers.
As did that throw the book got a break the one group had a TV on in the room one did not have a TV in the room.
Now it up but that's secondly was totally stripped of anything interest -- they were just had.
Bored to tears but it -- but basically being free -- any distractions -- not giving their brains any other past but the basically process.
Even and even -- even from consciously what they've seen.
Those people could consistently remember what they've been exposed to bar or better it's the -- I really think if I'm gonna make a million dollars -- the bumper sticker it's going to be that.
Boredom is not an.
Enemy that have to be fought with technology we've actually your -- and that's when the creativity I think that -- that in my mind and -- because I was tweeting live streaming back but I think he came out earlier this year you know we're seeing lots of in car technology and our people think that we can access Twitter FaceBook and asked for their voice calling it -- -- and you know is depending on the car and other decided -- -- out everything about distracted driving in one of the main bullet point said.
Multitasking is and that.
And it just went to further explain how your brain really can't handle all that information.
I want them enough is -- -- talking about what and I remember conversation or something you're talking about a real.
Safety -- and that cafeteria.
-- -- is a city came out this morning actually about.
25% of kids now admit that if they didn't have if they could get rid of these devices and didn't have them.
-- be happier.
Content -- I think that's pretty impressive and been pretty important bit of data for children who we think are so wired into this technology.
I think there's maybe a movement afoot now to try to strip back some of this you.
Absolutely love what one of the things that there would have become an official rule but now I find it amusing my iPad as a running -- far off -- used to.
People because it's a one window -- and if I want to try to look at something else there's actually three steps to do it.
And so I do find is though I think I'm getting better stuff written I think I'm getting equipment.
I'm seeing you mentioned and it's a chicken and it had a situation because that that we -- media producers writers that you know there's also pressure people who treat all day long there's pressure the same time to produce the kind of content that out there.
So there's so much more to.
Or as well nobody -- get a bigger.
I'm -- hybrid that's right because we put up -- our goals for the bus every 1530 minutes guys.
And we have a team of writers and we're always looking -- -- always looking -- are you now we have to produce content and I mean.
We're pretty hard on ourselves we want our -- be really good.
And so there's like you know I don't want our writers.
Writing posts in five minutes and I want -- to take a little more time do it right but then we also you really long reviews right but it 1000 we're reviews and times.
Instead there's a balance of -- he struck yeah I think you guys have reached released in Gaza is not about and we have -- you know.
Motto here which is you don't have to be first just need to be right and -- would -- more -- that's a great approach Robert you're gonna say some of.
I -- -- somebody tweets a lot I've learned that if you -- too much you lose followers so there's pressure on content producers.
To produce good contest.
And not too much.
And it raise the quality and not waste your audience's time.
Right and and actually absentee a value to their to their stream otherwise you're gonna say well -- they've really isn't teaching anything on the mound followed good -- see you later I'm gonna go watch.
Great -- show.
-- severe writes in the chat room and gadgets that there is part of the cause of my ADD can I sue them.
-- -- -- -- I know but there is this feeling though that we're missing something.
Right and it used to be I remember -- University of Pittsburgh I would grab my Wall Street Journal and New York Times and every day I grab my coffee and my big and I want to this one spot and David Lawrence hall and sit there and we both papers.
Cover to cover I didn't miss a story -- -- was out of Burma and had nothing to do with anything but some -- parasite I would read it.
And I would I didn't really -- to -- -- check in Albany and in catch up on every little bit of thing that was flowing out on my watch cable news later that night.
But now there's this need to be tapped him you know the constantly.
Not only that but the thing that one other -- to kind of really just -- me solid was when I.
Came to the realization that the reason why I will -- out of -- -- Even if it's not riding -- -- -- this is whatever and just all a Twitter like post something our -- you've got replies is when the thing I'm doing has just gotten hard.
There's something I don't have an immediate solution for.
And basically think that's a paper and I'll do something else but we'll see if other if I have a strong when -- come back easier task that's just scares me that I was sort of betraying my brain to not be really good -- just sitting focusing and thinking and.
Well yeah there's a great business writer -- Holmes who says do the hardest thing first in the morning.
Once you have the hardest thing of your day done first and with laser like focus the rest of the -- easy if all you need to then do is go to the DMV later pick this thing up.
You very accomplished that 3000 word column first -- -- your system.
Oh and I had the flip side of that is a lot of times we don't have the solution problem the best solutions to -- -- something else right right right in your field you will -- mostly I don't know who happens every time.
It's as happened when he's finished addition I think that no lightning -- -- Have you ever ever -- digital detox retaken a few days or weeks we've -- -- vacationing or not I think you're faced up -- your Twitter.
Yes -- setback -- seem like you know how your -- -- I have.
And only because I've tried to go a few days without writing something.
And for some reason it.
Causes -- happy chemicals whose work around my brain when I'm writing -- even if it's just fiction even just for fun.
And whenever I'm grumpy after four days it's because quote because you haven't written anything so I'm kind of into put -- disconnect that.
-- -- -- -- I should try to vacation this summer and the problem is everybody around me loves talking about -- yes that's fine.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- You're gonna be -- but they -- -- Little fly out of this.
That's what happened time and I got.
Yeah that's would have to be a buyout in the mountains.
At a lake in California and it had no cell signal it was just great I had my iPad -- -- which is able to sit and read like a book on the -- you know there was no Internet nothing it was gloriously on a campfire for -- you know a few days it was it was the it was a great feeling itself.
But we appreciate everyone using technology today in weighing in on the chat room check out Robert Scoble at this -- dot com also is building 43 dot com.
And he does a great job talking to a lot of thinkers in this business to check him out Robert always great to see -- got.
You got my name spelled wrong there -- -- but that's all right.
Yeah it's illegal outside asked that.
Look at my producer apologizes.
-- -- so -- that and everyone knows how to spell your name anyways Robert.
Thanks great to see you don't feel like -- welcome to New York City great to have you here as we hopefully we have you as a regular on the field with your nano watch that you Wear.
-- check out I -- -- dot com.
Lauren good great to have you here for the first time for the Wall Street Journal would have you back on a regular basis -- there.
And auntie and uncle always great to have you enjoy comic con check out all of his great writing -- Chicago sun times.
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