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Welcome back everyone well it's the film that's causing a firestorm the debate to reform education by highlighting just how bad.
Public schools have become.
Among thirty developed countries we ranked 25 the -- The 21.
The top 5% of our students -- our very best to bring 23 at 29 developed countries.
And almost every category we fallen behind.
The same study looked at math skills and -- these these countries the USA race last.
But when researchers asked the students how they felt they had done that I get good marks mathematics.
Kids from the USA.
Number one and confidence.
-- that's one of the only bright parts of this documentary the film opens nationwide today.
And I'm joined now by the director Davis.
-- good to have -- nice to be here so one of the things that you've been quoted as saying that you start the movie with the idea of betraying the ideals I thought -- lived by.
What do you mean why drive by free public schools a picnic it's a private -- actually believe.
To pump up the good public school is everyone's right and that can you should be part of your neighborhood schools -- -- a deal for me and my family.
Is to be part of our local neighborhood school and then by pulling my kids out.
I'm part of the problem and -- also say that 75% of Americans think that the schools are broken but only 25%.
Actually think that when their kid goes to one of those broken school.
Yeah there's a sense that the schools are working over there.
But my school's -- sort of you know of the sort of turtle mentality sort of stick your head in the sand and -- -- -- did it to you stick your head in the sand.
And hope the problem go away and the truth is.
That the problem now is affecting all of us it is not just that you know kids over there it's white middle class schools of suburban schools.
That's what what's what the big reveal the movie is it from the suburban schools that are legal only had that.
To educate the top ten and 15% -- 75% of these kids were Smart who are not being prepared to go to college.
The amazing thing and -- -- on record on the show that every American should see this documentary think it's that important here.
But they knew Davis you take on one of the most powerful institutions in this country and and that's the -- -- You basically point the finger at the unions as being a big part of the problem.
What the unions are one piece I'm tough on all the adults and I don't agree with the word bashing unions.
I'm a member of a great you -- actually believe.
In unions the point is is that the system kind of works for the adults.
You know it works for me because I can afford private school it works for the political parties are the Democrats took a lot of money in the federal level.
Republicans take a lot of -- money in the state level to do very little the centralized bureaucracies the unions are peace.
The point is I'm putting pressure on all the adults so we can face this thing.
If Texas was the important thing this -- his -- it's an important movie the truth is it's and it's a moving experience some people go to the movies I think I want to be part of the conversation.
-- -- -- Very emotional because you -- all of these five children.
And and that won't ruin it for people haven't seen it but it's very emotional at the end and you feel like you know those kids and you feel bad for them but let me ask you this.
I found it very interesting you also -- -- convenient -- I think I'm safe in saying that your liberal this I am okay.
I found it interesting I'm an open minded liberal and open minded liberal.
Would attack of the unions because that is such a bastion of support for Liberal Democrats have you received hate mail from -- none.
I think bashing and attacking her too strong words I think when people use language like that I think it inflames -- thing.
And I think what but the idea that movie is just getting people to come together at the table so I've had Randi Weingarten the head Weingarten the head -- they have T.
Michelle Reese superintendent DC schools come together on the movie so people are seeing the movie and -- -- I wanna be.
Part of this I want you to listen to Randi Lancaster city since you brought her up pictures which she had to say about her thoughts on public education.
There's no epidemic of bad teachers in the United States America.
But there is.
A complicated tough strategy in terms of helping all kids achieve.
There's a lot of great public schools that know how to do it only that have to teach Catholic school districts in America have teacher union contracts.
Most of these teacher union contracts are done between management labor -- tenure for second.
-- is really due process I think -- -- tenure is due process due process.
Guarantee she says there's not an epidemic of bad teachers in America you disagree with that when -- I would say that focuses the -- how many great teachers you can get I think.
The problem -- I think I only union -- believe that ten years a good thing if you give a principle he doesn't like your hairstyle and says or wants to hire his cousin.
Teachers who have devoted their lives -- do great job -- needs some protection.
The problem is the tenure in a lot of cases -- is automatic.
You you work for ten years you get it I want to get it we can't get -- and immediately send it so.
The point of the movie is not bashing or attacking the porno movie is we have to face some of these tough problems that we -- to face in these -- Us I hope to fix -- schools and I hope Americans will see it and I hope that they will actually face that first and finally.
I'd Davis Guggenheim you and the director of the documentary -- to -- America it's a pleasure to be here.
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