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I turned to a little for a very similar -- -- not too -- -- Christine Fair of Georgetown University Christine is one of that.
World's experts on Pakistan she's that fearless negotiator.
We have joining us in the studio Jim -- and former assistant secretary of defense who -- called you simply brilliant Chris stand.
You know it's -- -- So okay you guys and I also want to injuries besides doctor Christine Fair of Georgetown University.
James -- who's with me here in New York he's been on the show before is a friend of -- country.
And he was the assistant secretary of defense -- the Bush Administration is now professor at Princeton University so -- credit pepper you with questions Christine you know there right bring it up a salad -- read an article in the Washington Post it over the weekend saying that Pakistan was going from very very bad to much worse.
Since the assassination.
Of the governor of -- -- job what's the latest on Pakistan this is government going to hold.
Yeah I mean I think this government's gonna hold an issue tit ten sort of assess whether -- the government would fall.
You have to find someone who actually once the government to fall.
GHQ that is to say army headquarters has no interest in this government falling.
For a number of reasons it would look very bad upon them it would add an additional burden -- -- they're trying to deal with in terms of the very internal security threats.
The the -- unless some league no wise he doesn't want to handle all of this nonsense.
And so and if you were to think about where the push would come from you you would have to have another party withdraw.
On and Q and has already gotten their -- so flash from the TP peace so is that -- now -- Even -- the -- -- with drew there was no interest on anyone's part to call a no confidence vote so.
Losing the majority wouldn't necessarily -- the government down.
And then finally the other source of instability has been a Supreme Court.
They have made a number of rulings that could potentially.
And jeopardize President Zardari in the PPP.
But what you see behind the screen is actually the Pakistani army -- -- -- mean he's very much a political negotiator.
Leave aside his reputation of a Democrat.
Who beat that is it may I I I don't believe any chief of army staff with the exception general -- -- -- -- -- Democrat.
But he's he's been very did actually.
Ever since he came in his chief army staff.
Different parties and they don't really see -- diet and putting together various compromises -- I'm actually not of the belief that this government's gonna fall but his -- -- you can't ever be too confident.
And I think what everyone and it sort of once in terms of the stakeholders.
Is it PPP -- keep the lumbering along.
I showing itself to be not terribly confident even if it is doing some things well.
In part because no one really wants a strong.
What I -- no one I'm talking to the security establishment.
No one really wants a strong civilian challenge to doing with the army -- studio which is running foreign policy.
And even some key domestic political issues such as the the ongoing insurgency.
In managing some of the -- cents.
Okay Iowa Chris say and and data and -- just jump -- if you wanted to -- I would I -- of the -- although she knows so much more than I developed panel and I turn as true but you know -- in that long list of acronyms of Pakistan any parties and actors of which Christine is the master.
The one you didn't talk that was the TTP.
What do you think they make of this sort of retail use of assassination.
And -- well are they high -- or other wound up.
I defer I defer to the the goddess of southeast Asia analysts there but.
You how -- fit into this picture or does this put things in their direction or is this going to drive people more in the opposite direction of papers -- had a we knew this was continue a wave of terror.
He's -- my mind reading on this online -- Sierra with the governor can drive -- assassination -- a little bit different.
I mean he's really symptomatic he's not causal.
The -- me a -- interestingly enough should be in the purview of the federal Sharia court the federal Sharia courts job is to strike down laws that are repugnant to the -- in the -- the and this -- by any measure is repugnant to -- it doesn't have any evidentiary standards say what you will about the crime -- has really aren't.
-- -- explain out yet this was an assassination.
I've I've got the governor put jobs supposedly because he was in favor.
I'm getting rid of these blasphemy laws on the death penalty for people who even in a remote kind of way insulted.
The profit and so as a -- this man was assassinated.
Well -- -- it it might easily say with a blast me life is this came around during general Zia -- -- ten year.
And basically any -- one in good standing house over to -- can't say that anyone is the Blass -- now.
In principle this is being used to settle scores let's say -- of an ongoing property dispute let's say someone's son ran off with your daughter.
Or it it's been particularly used against Christians Hindus and other religious minorities and the -- -- So.
This -- been on the books since the the eighties Lindsay -- -- was running the show.
Now in in truth no one has ever been put to death.
That being said on judges are extremely terrified of even taking on these cases there was at least one injustice that was assassinated.
Individuals -- as well for -- someone when individuals have been acquitted.
On they've been killed upon leaving the Courtney even being killed even before they get there.
Since this is it a day a of a law which is absolutely an abomination by any standards.
What some -- has -- -- one -- to do was reform it no one is talking about repeal.
Now it's interesting to note that some -- -- mother was a Christian so he has certain -- had certain sympathies.
He wasn't talking getting rid of the lot of simply talking about repealing it now.
What I thought was interesting after his assassination and you you had.
A number of religious parties and assembling 50000 people -- when he has to wonder.
How much money these people were paid to be bus stand even during the Iraq War you didn't have -- of 50000 people you know stampeding around.
In what came to the four were a lot of details about some want to -- personal life his womanizing his drinking his gambling.
-- I was struck that even people who.
I don't like to use the word moderate and pakistanis -- the exact kind of vernacular doesn't really work but it's the closest thing that we have here in the United States into describing these people.
Even people they had problems with a lot within Leno his personal life made it very difficult for him.
To make these points and -- as sad as it is to say it's absolutely true.
Kristen Kelly let's they take.
-- sort of a 50000.
Foot view of this.
Is it manner -- Pakistan's always been on the -- they've always had these problems assassinations.
Seemed to be aware of life.
How does it affect the United States and the Afghanistan Pakistan war in their cooperation or lack of cooperation.
-- that recurrent.
I think personally I don't think it does this is a domestic issue pockets -- -- and at the fight for what kind of country they went to half.
Even what I would call pious Muslims who reject the blasphemy law on the basis of its.
It is it's complete indifference to chronic evidentiary standards.
Even today are afraid to talk about this.
For fear that they -- the less sophisticated servants will report on them and in Italy that's understand -- son is an Islamic country.
Where very few people and -- very few I mean -- in single digit percents.
Can actually read the -- run with understanding.
So it's kind of ironic that Pakistan is an Islamic state with a bunch of Muslims who really don't even know -- and their attacks and there's this cultural aversion to reading about the crime and reading the -- in or do or other.
So this is really about a struggle for pocket Stein and what kind of Pakistan on pakistanis are gonna live and in.
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