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Is the 2008 libertarian vice presidential candidate.
And he has a book coming out I gotta tell you I'm envious of this title because I want -- this title.
The conscience of a libertarian thanks very much related to -- -- at least that's what the subject empowering -- citizen revolution with god guns.
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What do you -- the federal government the American government should be doing anything.
With respect to what's going on in Iran today should we be.
Encouraging the people that are in the streets.
Should we want this guy Moussavi whose history is reprehensible.
To be elected should we sit back and and let forces play out.
As they may what are your thoughts.
Well -- -- what you asked the question you said what should the US government be doing.
Because the way people usually ask the question is what should America do and of course America.
It's a lot more than the US government America -- Fox News and see -- and an NBC.
And the Cato institute and and lots of other people.
And lots of us hope that some better government will come to power in Iran.
But it's in the US government's business to be trying to meddle in other -- selections or other people's potential revolutions.
That people only eight people in America don't remember.
But people in the wrong remember that in 1953 the United States government removed an elected Iranian prime minister and put in the Shah of Iran.
And -- I think that's ancient history Jimmy Carter said it was ancient history when it was only about 25 years.
But to the people of Iran they do remember that.
And so one thing we don't want is for any dissident forces to be able to be identified as tools of the US government.
So I think it's appropriate for lots of Americans to say.
Boy this fascist theocratic government really ought to go it is not helping the Iranian people it's brutal to -- -- -- it it's brutal to people of minority religions.
But the US government I think should be very cautious and very prudent and stand back.
Let the American people say things if they want it.
Should have special ops.
And -- -- be trying to overthrow the government.
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-- -- -- -- -- I'm still -- Ronald Reagan active.
Reagan ever had a fire a shot he's worse brought the -- -- Words -- down -- -- and his words read people Poland.
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Result is worst.
And I believe that the United States leader Barack Obama could have been more for votes in -- -- we support freedom.
We support protest we support demonstrations.
That will -- more freedom for people anywhere in the world is nothing wrong with saying.
We know that the that the race was -- to me how do we know that Ahmadinejad really didn't win and maybe they just exaggerated the number.
And may -- the people in Iran got what they want -- in Tehran is a fairly liberal city.
By Iran in standards right maybe the people outside the city and in majority numbers voted for him.
You don't know what we assume because of the fact that millions of votes were counted in a matter of hours and that's virtually impossible aired on technological fighting.
That they made up the numbers we also know Iran itself as that would needed.
There were three million more votes and certain precincts -- people.
So we know there were problems no one's saying that we should go in with special ops on the ground overthrow the government -- -- think anyone.
Those days are gone all I'm saying is Reagan helped bring down that the Berlin Wall in that entire Soviet menace we could do the same thing with -- at all saving.
About it should should Obama try and imitate Ronald Reagan when he said mr.
Gorbachev tear down that wall.
Barack Obama should try to imitate Ronald Reagan in a lot of -- he should try to push for freedom and free enterprise in this country before it starts.
Trying to push it in Iran I do think there's a difference there we were involved in a forty year long Cold War with the Soviet Union and so.
You know we pretty well crossed that rubicon that that we were in a conflict with the Soviet Union we don't have to be in a war with Iran.
We don't have to be in a war right now with China we don't have to be in a war with today's Russia and I think it would be a good idea for us to treat other countries as.
Potential diplomatic partners we don't need Barack Obama talks play the we don't need more -- from Barack Obama here.
Let's let the rest of America express its views and I do think there questions.
The election may have been Reagan -- -- the and we really don't know it's true that we don't know much about what's going on Iran we don't have an embassy there.
We don't have diplomatic relations we have very few people who speak the language so.
We really do not know what happened there on the -- job as far as we know got elected four years ago maybe he got elected again that's possible.
Although there are lots of reasons to to raise doubts about it.
I think that we do not need Barack Obama going out and making crusading pare down this wall speeches and if you wanting to do it in Iran.
Then presumably you wanting to do it in about a 180 countries of the world because there's an awful lot of dictatorships in the world.
Probably -- we have monsters that are a lot more detrimental to -- an unfortunate lot closer to us.
That these people -- -- -- -- -- is with us from break the matrix dot com who not only is an expert on Twitter but receives the Twitter.
From us how his Twitter.
Helping young people and -- the not so young people to know what's going on from one side.
Of a rally or demonstration to another Tehran to the hinterlands from Tehran and London and Paris and Washington and New York.
Well what we're seeing here is really.
The new the new phase.
The media and -- imagine if those protesters had been able to.
Get the information out to the outside world -- we were getting certain information in this state controlled media and I ran such is that you know the protesters were terrorists.
Are journalists were allowed on the street.
And all we were getting it yet you know we hadn't had Twitter and these social media tools it would -- we would have been at the mercy of feed the media that was -- out.
So because they were so successful in having their voices heard by a wider audience.
They not only got the port of the world -- they also higher holding the government accountable for its actions.
And yes -- any action taken against the protesters are being broadcast worldwide audience.
And I have to think that that has had an effect on her -- them by.
The government is seeking against the protesters.
You know the world is watching and they're -- after that -- here.
That young lady's image and not gotten out of progress yet.
Then I think that things might be very different I believe that might inspire this that -- actually true.
Happy I I -- the stated.
Well I hope it'll turn out that way but I think our emphasis on Twitter reminds us of something which is.
Not very many people in Iran have Twitter not very many people in Iran speaking English.
And so to the extent that there are a lot of protesters using Twitter and talking to American journalists or twittering in English and putting up signs in English.
It's sort of tells you this is not.
It appears a revolution of the broad mass of the Iranian people it's a protest by relatively liberal elites in Tehran.
And so therefore it may not be wind that can have the effect of bringing down this tyrannical government.
And as you know as we learned in China in Canada men's player if you strike get a government and you don't bring it down you could end up with worse repression coming out of it.
And that's something I think to be concerned about but.
It's not something we can do very much about.
And one of the things our government has to be worried about here.
Is not giving encouragement to the protesters.
To expect American help that will not be forthcoming that was a mistake we made in Hungary in 1956.
And it's arguably mistake we've made it other times since 1956.
We don't want them to think that American troops or American embargo -- or anything will be.
We'll be put in place to help them they are on their own and while the world wishes them well there's not a whole lot more the world can -- it.
The -- but -- it takes its -- -- are currently are very good historical example but the neo cons yet folks that they and you admittedly.
Once -- part of the -- -- muscular books bush foreign policy even the Democrats that agreed with them.
Would disagree with David -- -- would say we must be a beacon and we must give them somebody that we must give them -- because here's an opportunity for us to get in.
-- that's still is a valid foreign policy do you want that to and the here's what I learned and I agree that you mention that you know Moussavi is really no different than on the village the fact is.
We don't know what the facts are.
The fact it is.
That we're not quite sure -- for freedom and who's not we've been burned so many times in the past I think remembers -- -- with -- -- the -- in the past ready despite the rough and so.
We don't really know what's really going on there and that's the big everywhere Ron Paul what -- got -- Suddenly when you look back and you go oh my gosh how many foreign policy mistakes how this country -- how expensive.
Has -- -- those mistakes and has led to our current insolvency and bankruptcy as a nation which by the way we are insolvent.
We are bankrupt these words -- We can afford to be the world's policeman and back.
Issue you -- one and I well then I'm glad you it Democrat.
Say to me.
It to -- our friends in Israel.
Oh plan when there are concerned about me aggressive farm policy on the part of Iran.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- My view was it doesn't matter that the foreign policy wise the two of them would be identical neither of earnings would ever be on the ballot if the ruling molested -- some way.
Condone the concept of either of them winning but what he's saying -- -- what do we have a difference -- Well.
I think we have to I think we have to say to Israel that we cannot be expected to be militarily.
All of Israel's potential enemies in the Middle East and I'm not sure the the Israeli political system or American supporters of Israel.
Necessarily want us to you know people.
Overwhelmingly American Jews opposed the war in Iraq.
May be because -- peace -- may be because they thought it would be disruptive in the Middle East and they didn't think that was a good idea so I don't think that there's any.
A particular demand there and you know earlier you were talking about neo con pressure on.
On Obama to move more in this direction and and political pressure.
And there is neo -- pressure but I'm really curious to know what the American people think my guess is I haven't seen any polls.
My guess is that the American people think yeah I don't like the government of Iran and I hope something happens to change it.
But that if you ask them should the United States get more involved in helping.
Change the government in Iran people would be strongly against it because Americans generally don't -- -- go overseas on the other thing.
Those battles in my heart of hearts it goes out my heart bleeds for the kids in the streets but I don't -- Governmental force from America it used it.
To support those kids in the streets of what we can ill afford the Iraq War we can ill afford.
What we're doing in Afghanistan -- god knows what we may be doing acts that Pakistan we want an hour North Korea or north where it.
-- on a fourth front in Iran which is potentially a great.
Trading partner with -- are you getting surely any inquiries from from the gang that's -- tweeting.
Four David or for way.
Actually there there's an off topic question for Wayne about whether you're planning to run for office again -- You know the in the last month out of a -- -- have gotten hundreds.
Of requests -- libertarians and Republicans to my hat in the ring.
To run against Harry Reid the United States senate majority leader who represents about my.
State and I'm considering it.
I haven't decided and -- had inside and I'm not.
But -- -- there -- what David boats might be have a healthy I think you logged this morning did you not -- very recently.
And and the numbers startled me David about a Washington Post poll.
Showing right think it was 52 -- 41 or something like that Americans want smaller government with less regulation.
If that's the case where the -- -- these people last November.
Well that's an expensive the question you're right that I blog yesterday at -- at liberty dot org about Washington Post poll and they do regularly asked this question.
Would you prefer a larger government with more services or smaller government with fewer services.
And this time the margin was 54 to forty wind.
That's greater than the margin in favor of smaller government was a year ago but it's not as great as it was a few years ago.
One of the things I think -- -- -- if you change that question a little bit right now you've got.
Smaller government with fewer services well that's the downside of smaller government and in some people's -- is that you get your services the upside is -- taxes are -- six yes but I think it's a more honest question would you prefer larger government with more services and higher taxes.
Then you find that it jumps by about ten points in terms of support for smaller government.
So if if you do that you're up to around 60% of Americans and then the question is -- where were they on Election Day.
Well they voted out party that had given them big government for a party that probably was gonna -- an even bigger government but at least they got rid of one.
What he does do I think it's it tells the Obama administration and it ought to tell moderate Democrats.
Americans don't really want bigger government and you are giving it to them in state taxes spending health care education energy automobile companies tobacco regulation fast food regulation.
There will be a backlash against this and in the 2010 election I think you may very well see people -- -- again.
This across the board assault on individual freedom.
David -- -- -- really a 100% I think people wearing that big correctly.
When you see people believe in universal health -- way has anyone bother to explain to Americans that all the taxes paid.
Personally contacts in the entire country each year -- one point three trillion dollars.
And Obama as universal health care might cost as much as one point five trillion.
That's doubling all these attacks in the United States how does anyone almost looms for universal health care.
Understand that they might have to pay twice the taxes to pay for Obama's.
Well the other -- Washington Post poll -- I think the post poll says -- is.
People like the idea of a public option but they don't want any of the cost associated.
Right well everybody everybody wants gonna have a but nobody wants the -- -- Lot about the way the.
What -- they want it brought back.
Soda -- that added tax on their health benefits at work.
It -- eleven attack and if anyone has any union that it would attacks -- America's health benefits unless you're the union I'd never heard anything like that.
This before if you've just joined us now we're chatting with David -- from the Cato institute and Wayne Allyn root whose new book the conscience of a libertarian will be out soon and of course.
My sidekick initially -- is here with us to take between state when I was -- -- -- Last week you had a very impressionable audience there -- talk about some of my ideas and its relationship to the ideas today.
I was so impressed with the average age of that audience which was a lot younger than any of the three of us why you think.
Let the free them.
Movement in its various.
And numerous incarnations around the country is so attractive today to so many young people.
Well I think young people in general want to be more free.
The interesting question about this generation is are -- people who have come to believe that the government should take care of everything that they are entitled to everything.
Or are they people who have grown -- sometimes it's latchkey kids.
But certainly as Internet kids and they are used to being able to get what you want you know my young assistant.
Every time he wants something he knows where he can find it for himself on the Internet either buy it or find it for free or whatever.
That should be giving people -- pretty libertarian attitude toward their own self reliance and the irrelevance of government.
And I think that you are seeing that in the kinds of crowds we get here you know we got over a thousand applications for summer internships at the Cato Institute this year of course we could take hardly any -- -- so that was very frustrating but it means that were -- awful lot.
And you're right they were there for for your program which is now available on our website of course.
I think what -- libertarians very.
It is it is yeah.
I think if you talk to you David -- and -- Russian.
It's because somebody world almost but he -- -- in the heart of hearts they wanna be real little puppet government.
Should use the -- which.
Purple amber just a month ago 160.
Most Americans with Obama's office -- like him.
Are fiscally more conservative than ever and -- moving more liberal or literature ever I think it's.
Here's a question that I get probably 25 to fifty times -- -- in the emailed statement.
Utter utter frustration.
With what the government is doing they don't qualify as a plaintiff in the in under the standing doctrine of the US constitution to suit -- join in this so they all say what can I do walk an idea what can I do I can't wait.
Until November 2010.
What can end.
People do -- for the first time can speculate why -- plainly and openly.
Massive violations of the constitution.
By the federal government and they feel helpless to stop.
Well you're right most most in most cases.
Individuals can't sue the government -- that you're doing something unconstitutional what you can do.
It's vote in elections you can also write letters to the editor go online go to town meetings challenger congressman in public.
Send out emails you know that huge moveon.org.
Because somebody sent out an email expressing his views on the the news of the day back to back in the time when it was the Clinton impeachment.
So they're all sorts of ways to get involved in organizations get involved on line.
Make sure people hear about the alternatives to the Obama administration.
You got to avoid the craziness in the extremism that you can find on the Internet.
But there are lots of ways to get the message out there and that's what you have to do it it is it is a relatively.
For any Republican political system.
And that we're not like Iran we have a chance to speak up we just have to do it.
Your bodily it's very clear he supports third party candidates like libertarian candidates -- -- if you look back fifty years old when she.
Percent of the public in the wrong direction before we elected Obama admittedly a little better -- those numbers but still a majority.
The wrong direction.
Obama -- here.
Basically the same thing David rose from the careless journalism pleasure thanks very much John thank you again so.
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In the constitution.
That are too liberal and -- knock them out of office as there.
And I actually -- you party -- found it.
They elected James -- you -- us and Jesse the body insurance is an example Ross Perot did a good example good example for awhile.
-- -- -- The terrible things happening right now constitutionally.
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