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Nice -- thank you very much yes thank you joining us now.
Someone I have always wanted to meet and always wanted to chat with Jerry Johnson -- former governor of the state of New Mexico one of the most.
Freedom loving public officials I know in my lifetime governor welcome to freedom watch.
How -- contrary it.
Thank you thank you for having me on certain.
Good mutual -- -- here.
All right I'm sorry that where over the phone but that's such as mark communication today and and it's a pleasure to have you where do you see the country.
With the rapid expansion.
Of the size scope expense.
And regulatory authority of the -- government.
It seems to be growing with every tick of the clock these days.
No I completely agree and -- the a mutual.
-- We hear anything and it in the debt that is going along with that is something really undermine.
This country and -- for many years -- It got to get -- Which party is in power -- that in the bush years we had their version of big government.
Which assaulted the constitution under the first.
Fourth and the fifth amendments.
And now we have the democratic version of big government which is assaulting the constitution.
Under our economic liberties and that without some fundamental change in the way people think about the role of government in our lives.
We are almost doomed.
As Jefferson said to government and -- increasing.
And personal liberty decreasing.
Like if -- I I am come -- -- I'm very disappointed.
Control of course congress and the presidency.
And ran up.
That -- Little problem relative to the new.
Deficit and spending.
And and again not.
Republicans sure didn't sure didn't come through and so little to do.
Doesn't matter who's -- who's in control.
We we just have that played out and it panicked and -- from.
Very disappointed by it and yes what's happening right now again it is just this.
Who seemingly endless.
All right -- -- eroding liberties.
And -- believe -- hopes that it is that people wake up.
Governor should -- recreational drugs.
He legalize that the state and federal level and if so why.
It is it is my opinion and I have been -- -- -- on and it's my opinion that 90% of the drug problem in the United States.
Today -- prohibition related and not use and abuse related.
And that's -- concentration not to be.
Abuse and yet.
I do believe that -- -- -- -- -- should be legalized.
I believe that marijuana were legalized we would have -- overall substance abuse.
And with regard to all the other drugs I think -- first and foremost we should look at harm reduction strategy and that part.
Fundamentally what decriminalizing.
-- use of drugs.
Now when you when you talk about decriminalizing.
The -- of drugs what kind of a reaction to you again.
From the people of New Mexico or wherever you happen to talk about -- and you were once.
The chief law enforcement officer of that state as the governor people work for you.
Just like -- sent people to jail for crimes that I thought shouldn't be crimes but it took an oath to uphold the laws of the stated -- you took an oath to uphold the laws.
Of the state of New Mexico and belief that work for you and prosecutors that work for you had to prosecute people for -- you -- weren't just.
Does that rest with -- Well.
First of all.
-- issue to be really nice bit.
People really want when they hear.
A little bit -- they're local they don't move from alarming to shoot people in the -- from.
Her smoking marijuana to legalizing it that data -- -- there's movement in the issue again is really in play.
I if they get bigger issue in this country to David has that there are reasonable.
I pollution attached -- the government and and again people people were very very responsive.
To the issue.
-- Point out look horrible those laws -- the states.
But I'm also in a position to change the law.
And I think that people.
-- people lose sight of that at all.
So that we make mistake in this process and that the drug laws -- -- big mistake.
And that -- can change them and again I don't elected official.
I had that ability and I and I try to make the most of that.
-- in the year tweets for government Johnson.
Yeah actually quite if you and they well.
Have the same theme here's one from civic and marketing.
Saying we need more Gary Johnson out there if he's still -- Republican -- switched it Libertarian Party and I've gotten.
About ten other tweets asking if you're running for president are considering it.
There you go governor -- still -- Republican have you joined the Libertarian Party when can people see your name on the ballot or will they see -- in 2012.
-- The Republican and I think I think I've been happy about a run for the president by.
Again -- I then asked the question a lot in my responses.
Did -- think it's terribly inappropriate should be.
To be expressing those desires -- Obama has just taken off it.
A man that I think everybody wants to even have a chance.
What I'm seeing that chance to do that again it just appears to build.
A personal freedoms -- are.
-- are being shoveled out the window more and more.
You think that there -- a chance governor.
For the concept of state nullification to take hold I mean we have a a liberal democratic administration.
We have a president who correctly -- wrong acknowledged.
The use of recreational drugs in his -- much as you have.
You don't anymore but you acknowledge that your use of it.
In your youth you think that now is actually -- time with Liberal Democrats running the government.
I think we might actually see from certain states -- nullification.
Of certain federal laws -- the attempt to nullify them with respect to the personal private use.
In the home of recreational drugs.
That would be great I mean I would love.
Just be that.
I can't judge I have no idea whether or not in the off her release date -- been talking about it.
I believe -- oh with regard to alcohol prohibition.
-- them as far as my history understanding goes it.
New York and it saying that it would no longer in force prohibition -- which really.
A -- it.
Prohibition of alcohol ball.
I've actually argued governor that that the states.
-- I should director entire apparatus not to enforce any federal laws.
Within the state because the federal government is financially.
And by virtue of its resource is incapable of enforcing all the laws particularly the drug laws.
Without assistance from the state just -- a little -- because there is some breaking news governor Mark Sanford of South Carolina.
Who surfaced after seven days.
On the high seas has just announced at a press conference.
Is the second major Republican to make this announcement -- week.
That he's having any sexual affair.
With a woman to whom he is not married so.
-- -- go against great great.
See why people are asking you to throw your hat in the ring governor Johnson's.
-- Here -- what mark Sanford -- side your earlier comment.
Something and I always thought about -- or where it was a constitutional.
And the fact that they are laboratories of democracy and just imagine.
If it eight or let loose without the constraints then federal law.
They -- Federal -- all of that come to play and that's.
Public issues -- would improve as a result of seeing the state didn't.
But I was actually a little -- like go about solving those problems.
It was actually an unusual coalition I don't know these two ever met.
Of one of the most liberal Supreme Court justices in the post World War II era.
And one of the most conservative presidents in the same era who used that very phrase the states are laboratories of democracy.
Justice William Brennan from my home state -- appointed by Eisenhower turned out to -- Probably the most prominent liberal in the past when he for years.
Argued fiercely that the state should be laboratories of democracy and Ronald Reagan of course used to say you should be able to vote with your feet.
Meaning you can walk to and live in the state of the laws are to your life.
And that the more the federal government regulates.
Or in the case spending -- This will pay for the paving the highway if you lower the blood alcohol limit that you'll permit people have when they drive and -- -- the states.
Then the states would be true laboratories of democracy.
And people would find a corner of the nation where they like the laws and liked the freedom or likely order like the -- whatever the case may be.
And go where they are happy list.
The issue here in this state was wouldn't -- dean and the inability to have an open can -- original lemon scene.
And I -- you have the veto legislation.
Regarding that I would have given up about eight million dollars enough federal highway fund.
Well I think open container laws are responsible for -- on the highway.
I don't know why are -- you can feel -- war why not give police people -- -- when it comes to drinking and driving.
But that's enough the federal government and not dictating and because of that play this.
A lot of common sense in my opinion goes out the window.
They argued in one of my books and I've done many times -- Federal government actually bribes in the states.
I mean if I keen to do if I can't deal and -- I will pay to pave this highway.
If you will change your official policy of the government.
You'd have somebody arrested me for attempting to -- abroad but the congress does that every day of the week to the states and the Supreme Court said it can do it.
And the states never reject the cash but -- -- except the bride.
Well again -- the kind of -- Outlying opening and pictures and -- In the week to comply with.
-- just one example of just what you're talking about.
Governor and Gary Johnson governor of the great state.
Of New Mexico.
It's a pleasure to have you we hope you'll come back and join us on -- Wednesday at this time on freedom watch.
Thank you thanks very much governor very much appreciate it Michael.
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