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First Democrats say it does too little Republicans say it does too much the health care -- now in high -- zeroing in on a bill proposed by the chairman.
The Senate Finance Committee senator Max Baucus.
In senators have -- proposed more than 500.
Changes to senator baucus is bill.
This nasty fight continues senate majority leader Harry Reid drops a bomb today making an ominous threat.
He may use the nuclear option reconciliation.
To -- this bill through.
Earlier Republican senator Orrin hatch went on the record.
NIC is there and that's attractive that are.
And then find senator I know you guys are busy so let me ask you about the big thing you're busy about this health care reform bill.
Do you believe that senate majority leader Harry Reid is gonna -- in this bill through.
Using the nuclear option.
And if so what does that mean for the for the Senate and for the -- for the country.
If they go by the -- of the reconciliation -- -- -- the first time that a bill of this substance won six of the American economy.
Is considered -- reconciliation but reconciliation was performed forestry.
Take care -- tax increases tax reductions.
Budget cuts of rumors have to make it easier to do that by and this is just a simple majority vote.
But whether what it means there's a you've been doing won six of the American economy in twenty hours.
Actually probably less than 24 hours.
With -- limited amendments amendment and debate.
The American people would not be represented very well and they have -- and frankly they think they can do that haven't.
Why are they rushing this so hard it -- Ted Kennedy and made two solid years of hard work.
To pass the Children's Health Insurance Program which everybody admits is a very good bill but it took a second at a time that it we have 16.
That the American economy and they're trying to ram -- through makes you wonder why doesn't make you wonder why the sudden hurry and Russia makes you wonder.
Just move what are they trying to pull -- on the American people and I think I can tell you.
I what is it sending it now given -- to -- to ask you what is that.
Well first of all.
The president with the -- and promises he can't keep his promises.
First of all.
They are gonna start taxes to me middle class and -- people earning less than 200000 years in fact they're going to side Texas.
The people who learn.
The most lowest -- 3040000 dollars a year.
And way they do that there's a 300 billion dollar excise tax on.
Insurers medical labs and medical devices from all of that is going to be passed on to the consumer consistent offense for a -- united.
Because it is a well thought out.
Secondly there's a 27 billion dollar on just -- at had a -- seven billion dollars in taxes on employers at a time.
When unemployment is nine point 7% going to 10% double digit.
You know unemployment there's another twenty million dollars and that in Texas sun.
And people you know.
It didn't hit -- in other ways I can say is if you look at this bill in the high concept but they're not gonna spend the cost -- it's gonna go up.
There -- the federal government says that there ought to get a charge of five structured notes going to be ten and then you're gonna be like gave us that.
They're gonna actually assessed for families.
That earn 66000 dollars a year or more they're gonna -- It was 3800 dollars and penalties that if they don't get I got you know they -- and -- plan.
I think they chairman now says it's not only big 2000 -- first 2000 dollars an average.
-- -- that's have a rough time getting -- under current circumstances.
I gotta tell you why the rush.
I think they're trying to pull the wool over us.
Well why wouldn't Democrats get out of that it -- -- -- -- the trying to pull the wool over your -- over the -- but -- -- get out of it.
Where everything is here to try and get us to a single Payer system.
If they can't do it automatically and they'll do it in increments.
And if we get to a single Payer system that means we're gonna have a one size fits all government run health care program right out of Washington.
If anybody believes that Washington -- -- better job -- your locals and state governments.
And your local and state insurers in your local and state health care providers -- your local and state doctors.
That's got a bridge to sell to the and the fact of the matter risk.
Get I made I made this quote the other day I said that.
If anyone believes that Washington.
Can do a plan will cost close to a trillion dollars cover all Americans not raise taxes on anyone.
Not increase the deficit and not reduce benefits or choices for our families.
That I have a bridge I'd like yourself -- And that's what they're claiming they're gonna do and there's no way if you look at what they are doing that they can do that.
I was like ten seconds left is this going to pass in its current form or not the Senate that realize -- -- there's some.
Some amendments before it gets to four but do you think that the Democrats get a pass health care reform.
Well I don't know but there are still trying to stay -- rolling through and chairman Marcus.
Has a lot of pressure on him to try and stay in rural Missouri and they're gonna get through anyway they can I hope.
-- and stuff but if we -- them against.
Take a step back and then work together a bipartisan approach that.
The American people can accept just one I don't think they're gonna wanna accept it when you know just goes to.
Sad -- is there.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- Senator Grassley is -- ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee that he spent months negotiating with the gang of six they were all trying to write a bipartisan health care bill.
Senator Grassley says -- Obama is not keeping his word to you earlier senator Grassley -- on the record.
NIC is there thank you glad to be where you read -- Senator and they tell us -- a simple question on this health care reform.
Isn't -- to cover about 47.
Million more people.
Well improving quality.
For less money instead and -- -- -- -- Not -- less money.
Probably not -- the whole 900 billion that you're talking about but here's the problem in trying to convince you or anybody else.
The reforms that might be -- bill like this assuming they can pass.
Probably down the -- five -- six years changing the delivery system.
Health care as an example came in ways that are not really part.
But to be played on -- and and ideas that come from the medical field not from both of Russia's power play.
But -- problem is all the controversial stuff is up from.
And so from that standpoint.
-- a very difficult thing to explain it's a very difficult thing to sell.
Now that instead since then he wants signing -- that's gonna cost any more money is is that is that your understand what he said.
That's what he said from the standpoint he man that it would be offset.
So that the Congressional Budget Office would say.
That it didn't handy -- to the deficit.
In other words raising some money has this bill does.
And spending some more money it doesn't add to the deficit and that's what the president mad he also said another thing that's even much more important.
From the standpoint of anybody.
In this country including those of -- congress involved and that is we should.
The inflation rate of health -- which you know was probably two or three times.
The normal rate of inflation could be ideally get it down to a point words not more than one percentage point above the normal cost of living.
Isn't what the president says is hit passable in under the scheme that for instance is senate bill that debt.
That your committee is considering or is it simply you know off the charts not possible.
Well it even if it's possible here's where it goes against a lot of things.
That the president has said he wanted to billion -- said.
You wanna keep the health insurance you have -- ought to be able to keep it well there's several things in here that's gonna make that very difficult maybe not in every case but.
Very different -- another thing he said that he wasn't going to raise taxes on people under 250000.
Well -- season Ismail you know when you should call the -- but I got out of the joint tax committee today in those -- the experts here on the all nonpartisan experts.
And I am amazed will tell you that.
-- that you are this penalty.
That you put on people that don't have health insurers because this requires everybody in the country to have.
Had health insurers from our mandate an individual mandate.
-- and that.
Is is an excise tax so that excise tax is going to aid is going to hit people under 250000.
Dollars -- look.
So the president is not keeping his word to the people.
So why isn't giving the president simply doesn't understand that.
To boy that he's trying to be a little bit slick or that you're wrong Dario what what what's going -- with us.
I think -- the president is being caught up.
With a lot of things that he promised during the campaign.
There were -- the real world but he was campaigning and now he's got to stick by them he's still repeating them to what might just mention you know if you wanna keep the insurance should.
You have you ought to be able to do what life's going to be very difficult under this -- and then -- wasn't going to increase taxes on people ponder.
But today the joint committee says.
That that this penalty is really an excise tax on people that don't want to.
My health insurance as an example it's all.
It it might be that he just doesn't understand.
But he you don't you price on him on the Sunday shows he got caught up from his business -- wants -- tax increase.
And what isn't a tax increase and I think -- -- bureau counterparts.
On the Sunday shows.
Made it very clear that this individual mandate and the penalty that goes well that is a tax increase.
Instead they -- my second nice CNN great.
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