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Well just -- the White House says that people's fear about so called death panels is baseless.
Critics now claim the administration is actually pressuring certain disabled veterans.
Hurry up and die that's the accusation.
Asking physicians at the nation's VA hospitals.
To refer our nations veterans to a pamphlet called your life.
Your choices title sounds innocuous enough however inside this booklet -- asks veterans.
To decide whether their lives are worth living if they are for example in a wheelchair.
In a nursing home or if they have become quote a financial burden to their families.
Now the VA.
Through one of its deputy -- -- Tammy Duckworth says this document.
Is and has been out of use.
Take a listen to Tammy Duckworth on FOX News Sunday yesterday.
I would tell you that this booklet has not been in use hair was pulled off this house in 2007.
We very clearly told all of our medical practitioners not to use it because it was -- -- it has not been reinstated.
But is that true joining me now is Jonah Goldberg he is the editor and our national review online and a Fox News contributor hi -- Hey great to -- here great to have you so this is so in Tammy Duckworth and the administration.
This thing was not generated under President Obama it was generated years ago under President Bush it was in use then it was called the President Bush's attention what the -- said.
And he put it out of use.
But now Tammy Duckworth says.
After that happened in 2000 said it has not been in use and the Obama administration has not revived it FOX News Sunday host Chris Wallace -- serious issue with that.
What is the truth like -- -- Well way.
Going from the reporting from what I've read from the the report which I actually looked at online last week.
Duckworth is either.
Or not telling the truth.
As of July 2 that's what the directive was -- that this was supposed to be used.
Not just for people at end of life for people -- Comas but for twenty year old that's coming home from Iraq there was -- be given this questionnaire.
Asking you know these questions about.
You know perhaps maybe she just sort of shuffle off.
If you're gonna be in a wheelchair.
Maybe now after listening to Stuart -- talk about the deficit they should add one of those on -- do.
-- -- that bums you out too much maybe you just get out away.
And I think that the problem here is that the the defense that -- offers saying -- this.
This wasn't put forward by the Obama administration should sort of saying this sort of bubbled up from the bureaucracy which no one really disputes.
That's not all that helpful -- one of the points that critics of Obama's plan may is that this is once you get the structure for it'll be on auto pilot.
And the bureaucracies will naturally tend towards exactly this kind of thing.
And get panels may in fact be not too far off on the horizon because of the very nature of how socialized medicine and rationing work.
That's having Chris Wallace asked Tammy Duckworth repeatedly.
Why would an end of life counseling book that you're gonna provide not just said disabled vets but to all veterans all veterans is about to take a look at it.
Why would it be raising issues about.
It is my life worth living.
Because I'm in a wheelchair because -- in a nursing home with one thing to do is say to any patients.
-- -- become.
Incapacitated in a way where -- declared brain dead do I want life sustaining measured I think that's what that's what a living will does.
But this this goes -- -- be on that.
-- this this goes and.
The realm of valuing whether life is worthy of life -- determines used to say this is goes into the idea that somehow.
If you're in a wheelchair if you were handicapped.
If you're if you're just too melancholy to contribute to society.
While -- may be you know maybe those circumstances where you sure you can no longer true the leather and you need to be sort of culled from the tribe and that is the sort of thing that emanates up from from this document.
And that is really that is terribly disturbing I thought that ran almost completely counter.
To where the culture has been moving over the last thirty years of sort of -- -- people with disabilities.
Telling them that they can be healthy contributors to society this at least creates -- little sense of legitimacy that no -- -- that's not true -- that.
If you don't -- who isn't gonna be depressed when they lose good.
We'll leave you lose the use of their -- right but what we don't tell people then well a viable choice for you maybe it may be just just to let go.
Well it becomes a little bit more scary doesn't it -- when you've got it the government.
In the case of the VA or perhaps in the case of are new health care system -- it -- -- The government is in charge of paying the belts.
For the person who's in the wheelchair or in the nursing home are sought as so when the government is coming to that person saying he really needs take stock.
About whether life is worth living under your current conditions ask yourself if you're a financial burden.
It puts a layer of pressure.
Is the argument of those people tick kit basically as I said in the intro this is from the critics quote hurry up and -- it in -- for these veterans who have come back for more.
Very strange place we aren't society right now where.
Supposedly to give.
You know women seeking an abortion all of the information available to them is considered to be undue pressure.
But telling people that if they have to ride around -- expensive wheelchair maybe hit -- -- maybe they should just.
Shuffle off this mortal coil is considered -- sort of normal par for the course cost management it's a very weird place that were and and I think this is why this report is -- whether the practices are gonna come back who knows but the report is gonna get.
Kill Obama let me ask you about that because Tammy Duckworth said look it hasn't she maintains that hasn't been an effect of the facts appear to belie that because this has been up on -- website since July 2.
It and really requires physicians that BA's two at least refer their patients this booklet so.
It put aside that fact shouldn't be about and his administration just take this down eat it -- it inherited it from the Bush Administration should just come down off the website that end of controversy.
Of course legitimate I think the politics are obvious the morality is obvious and that's one of the reasons why some outrageous offend poor Tammy Duckworth out there.
Not armed with the facts who's gonna get thrown under the bus in two -- time anyway because there's no way Obama can be trying to sell a massive new.
Health care plan that has this sort of it's the Specter of death panels hovering around it and at the same time support this really sort of -- physically -- tax.
Document which is telling veterans that maybe they should -- think they should be.
You -- eyes and so that the politics point to this thing.
Getting sort of abandoned and in mothballed and Obama saying -- this doesn't represent my values and all the rest.
And then there's port Tammy Duckworth have been put out there who is that you're -- an indefensible document into the war hero if and if she did it.
It badly she wasn't in the -- of all the facts.
I'm and so she comes across as being dishonest.
And now I guarantee you until it's time and back here -- going to be talking about how the Obama administration abandon it and she's a -- hung up.
Drive that that this doesn't seem like this can stay on the web it's one thing to have an administrative oversight and other leave it up there.
And you know a big wet whatever she says that the directive is still on there -- -- every -- at the request that the physicians refer patients to this is still on there.
Jonah Goldberg thanks for the updates --
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