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-- -- welcome back her life was good supervision has finally written is memoir of his memoir that's -- rightward.
Of the obviously you.
This I guess yards as a memoir but you know I guess what but I think -- -- -- is that.
You don't talk lot of -- your family your kids it's not that kind of a -- -- that's exactly what would not normal book.
Or seek episodes under its.
-- if you -- probably about it's about me.
-- I guess people get those two words confused which is interest in place to start memoir -- autobiography and you see a distinct difference between.
I think you have a good Tuesday -- notebook.
And will -- -- the -- -- anyone would doesn't wanna buy that but it is restrictions and memoirs -- It just -- people I've met him.
Big companies -- -- I've been especially in times of oral.
-- additional crisis battle of ideas that -- and -- and.
You have -- a subject of great fascination in in your political trajectory and that you.
People love to -- Q and that's gotta be extremely frustrating to.
What it's a bit boring that I mean and it's a bit too -- thoughts I -- -- -- -- get through I mean I think in the book that I I don't have any.
Ideological -- lesions and you wanna register as independents.
And read the book is called Vista ready to is its it's in my -- jokes.
About the fact that the Big -- -- -- aligned with which is the group was skeptical and agnostic nonbelievers have very strong -- -- -- police.
Yeah and so but that that might that myself -- -- -- -- It puts it against the totalitarian.
Types in the modern world.
Who already know it needs -- And -- political truth -- revealed to equipment -- pushed around on the basis.
And the the beginning of your current trajectory and you talk about -- the book 1989 and Salman Rushdie that change things free of.
Very much -- because -- that was the date.
Valentine's -- uniter not -- fact when it theocratic head of the foreign dictatorship.
Offered money -- depleted and it shamelessly.
To pay for that matter of -- oldest living in England wasn't in Iraq and citizens and that so little.
Here it is you would someone days there was confrontation over everything those.
And I hate.
I thought that what would take the right side but they didn't -- that and.
Look at about so -- I think he's so important why it what is.
Courage is what it is but it has been -- -- it's essential.
The could detection that -- -- -- what why he is -- such an important part of your life and important for us to know about.
Well be no particular order.
He's -- from India which is the country -- we should have to close alliance with.
If I beat the United States and -- actual friends big multi cultural most multi -- -- Democracies with quite -- additional spoke to bill around the place.
And -- spend the -- don't know what's.
I think -- -- power -- server code -- shapes not with the talks about.
He's equated -- to a lot of people in -- important and good news suspect what he's beaten -- this better than anyone else.
He paid very greatly when he was sentenced to death and given life -- going into into hiding.
And I describe what it was like India's when he couldn't be seen in public.
Which -- happens not a lot people who criticized Islamic -- have police protection just that giving an opinion.
It was a warning that's what I think it was a warning of what was coming to -- Was it the reaction of liberals that upset you disturb you so much.
In a word yes we're looking at this the problem is not the theocratic -- and so and offering money -- The problem is noble noble -- upset people.
And he shouldn't have -- he would be better to keep as much and I'm not expresses doubt it is.
Satirical news about his that's that's -- surrender right that would satisfy.
That's silly not a liberal point of -- It's shouldn't be that you'd be amazed I do take it now from.
Comedy Central to Yale university press all you have to do.
Is suggest that someone then someone might not -- it and they'll bend over backwards in the sense sort of material.
If this is commonplace now it wasn't that.
But we won't about the world we've got to be lifted by -- -- about that experience.
And that was the beginning of a road for -- that has been.
On going -- -- and then then it was September 11.
Patent then yes I mean.
45 victory in congress might not that -- had -- not evidence that -- -- sexual content.
Extensive review that the people -- that that the United States brought this on itself for activists.
Pathetic Baptist and was -- renderings of the worst people in the world.
Abu organizing a fight back against that kind of thing is of course of my life and it's -- it's a group but -- with strong team in the book as well.
But certainly as you have given you don't have an enemy's list per say but you certainly haven't been shy about going after everybody for Mother Teresa.
The Henry Kissinger.
To to the to the clintons.
Well towards anybody to do they have a -- entitlement but -- people around you'll.
Exploit -- -- -- for the absolutist ideology yes that's true it is.
There's a picture of you with Hillary Clinton in the book I guess -- in the clintons are not on speaking terms these days -- I know go -- some considerable time.
I was at the Monica Lewinsky it's -- you actually defended.
Are against some of the things they had said and she said Ulanova.
Citizen who -- once he was.
A period of -- -- I've I've got.
I can't quite directly -- -- -- -- -- back to put you know of course that's really -- I feel like -- was wouldn't Europe trying to have refused to big talker and not part.
And most people would have been willing to believe it if you had to go very lucky.
Actually -- be -- -- that they were willing to do that to about what was -- discussing.
So you're willing to it's interesting -- you have a certain moral code that you live your life five.
And you could be friends -- somebody for a long time the and you see something you can -- you cannot abide by annuals you will in the -- -- and totally change your point of view of.
You're making me sound a little bit -- upon as two departments besides I've respected like to -- with people on these things and when he was announced -- For positions like take the Arctic I didn't particularly if you get this friendship but -- think for a short supplies that but the it's to them there are times when.
It -- you have to particular way yes.
You have an interesting point of view that you express in the book about how.
He started to meet important people so called -- -- for the warning quote at the ages of eighteen or so 1819.
And you discover that they put their pants on one leg at a time like everybody else and sometimes and put their -- on.
-- -- -- -- -- Look at how they were -- core producer education every night I have days I didn't inherit the right has reported casualties of the -- -- assembly into it with.
I was very lucky to have out of state that's built -- when they're cabinet ministers would come.
From London to debate the New York City -- and he could have dinner with the Hendrick Tony Rezko got but you -- as much data system.
To lose the impression of of great upon -- politician -- -- To realize.
-- when you don't they did to that impressive very useful to demystify.
I thought it was interesting to -- shortly after that in your twenties you lost your mom and you talked about.
Her suicide and I thought it was really fast -- you discussed four kinds of suicides.
Four different ways that people go about -- or reasons or motivations.
Yes you know what I can't summarize now -- don't just it's -- -- -- For one -- -- for another it's a little too complicated to do.
In one -- sure they don't want to read -- -- -- -- Yeah listen.
To get the little that in this -- but what do -- I do describe the tragedies it was sort of took on.
Speculate on what it is that makes two sides much.
-- -- -- -- -- may not be great.
Or may not be able to parse that in this interview but certainly reason people go and and read the book what what is -- do you want people.
To know about you or know about life as a result of Reading this consist.
Then there's so this so rich and the so much here and it's not it's about Cubans about so much more.
Well I I think that the great and want to find out is that -- -- -- -- history.
Ironic that -- ruled by the law of unintended consequences you may think you know you're doing but -- -- time.
You good to see you get a -- result of that you -- anticipated that that actually happens and different -- Advocates in which -- -- -- -- -- for the removal of Saddam was -- I didn't know.
-- about policy within the way it did and -- -- myself in the book some of the ways to that to happen until.
But net -- you think it was good that we.
Like that's what they're different and incredibly important -- -- a lot about.
My friends and looked at W what -- -- -- -- made my life worth living you -- one point friends don't suppose you sort of relations.
-- haven't but just doesn't think people.
Martin of course being.
This is to reopen the port he'd be my best friend for rent on time and if -- -- the portrait of what -- like -- is that he's been such an incredibly successful.
Both comic and serious note this is one of those people do.
You put it wants to if if he accuses of having this sensitivity TV and to compete in this sense of serious.
-- -- choose your friends.
I it's and I again want lucky.
You and -- news productive.
It's it's probably arrange to test took.
You once said I'd rather have an argument.
And NB board it -- -- -- -- hard not to win I'm not good conceding that hasn't made -- easy to live with that is that of a big party alive that those kinds of confrontation of.
Because the important arguments matter lots of and I -- -- I stood of those on making sure this because I cannot make the best possible case reports that.
I'm committed to it carries over it's like private I'd like that might give way of -- what is reasonable.
Think at least I didn't militiamen and have to have -- -- I've always on you know I've always -- feeling that's.
Do courses of -- And I think that's definitely deformity and this -- -- guys in this thing.
I have -- -- -- beep -- it's total was necessary to win every point.
Let me ask you about your moment of becoming an American citizen which only happened a couple years ago and was Michael Chertoff or beliefs -- UN -- speak to the country.
What was what.
What was the meaning of that for you.
Well -- Not eleven.
I would just an englishman living in America repeated every quarter -- notable.
I -- -- because it was so it didn't have an expiration date anti American children three of them.
American life at a European Union possible that I could have gone on my best because my.
That I began to feel -- -- my dues.
The country been very nice to me incredibly welcoming.
Against a very much with it out of this terrible attack on -- society made by these theocratic.
Barbarians those who goes to -- some stupid anti American -- About my European friends -- not France but among my European.
But -- Europeans to have sent a -- that I thought you know I really -- to take the next step by I've fully identified.
It's it's it would be you be patriotic to take that statements that become.
An American properly and I took my own -- and born in Washington so just.
-- his broad effect right away yes.
And it was a cute and we're -- confirming and I.
A little chapter of what it's like becoming an American -- how the long process by which time.
Made it made the transition.
Leno really scratch the service who because of -- there's so much to this book is called -- 22 M memoir.
Chris a religions a thank you so much because her for talking to us.
Today thanks so much who --
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