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Welcome into the man cave on this Friday afternoon I'm Clayton Morris this is gadgets and games to show we talk about all things -- gains we got the big.
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Where we were out I didn't actually get to see you out there this time.
The other sort of barnstorming trip for me -- -- -- was in that about sixty hours with about.
Fourteen different meetings in the keynote in about 8000 words written so if you saw me you would have seen -- -- goes to show the man who once was the kind of got it.
-- -- do did you need anything when you're out there.
Mostly Rama noodles and apparently you can cook them -- -- much of them wrong what just like -- this is a journalism guys it right the NFL.
Think that's like the second mr.
But that the dean here in the studio.
We have a great panel of guests also here in New York City and I -- welcome -- the first time on the show and quite an honor to -- here clay -- -- here.
The author of the brand new book content of surplus creativity and generosity in the connected age -- great to have you here thanks very much good -- Absolutely so we're gonna have a great discussion about the book coming up in a little bit you're just starting the book tour yet the -- just came out yesterday so.
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Check out cognitive surplus quarter yourself a copy it's on Kindle although there's if you can order to be made great stocking stuffer for Christmas coming up in July.
Also in studio for the first time Dave Matthews he's the gadget guy and -- He's done about everything under the sun you can think of in the technology -- Dave welcome to show mostly legal sometimes illegal and sometimes -- illicit.
-- would you -- you've worked for you boxy but you've worked for.
Make magazine there was one of -- first group for guys is that are on the table Tim O'Reilly talked about this whole idea of taking what you already had and making it better so.
Trying to say the landfill one piece of lead and arsenic filled piece of equipment at a time.
That's great well welcome to show we're glad glad to have you here Jeff Bakalar here.
He hosts and new show on CNET you've seen -- here before because of the 40 for us and the new -- -- called pre game I think you're on one episode twelve already 77.
-- it was -- no I must -- missed five episodes that I only money and -- -- this is here premium is a great you showed us what mark let's -- -- on CNET and I -- look at all of all the latest video games coming out once you've had a chance to play right absolutely yeah we get to.
Give our viewers.
-- chance to check at a game a week before it hits the stores.
It's -- an idea what they expect so we're gonna be chatting.
That's later in the episode we've got a lot to get to also -- -- is here he is the editor of course of the unofficial apple weblog.
TU AW dot com nice to see you might look back.
Of social quick you've got this new little thing on your -- here now get shot that's what does this case this is a case from.
Hard candy cases and these are folks and we talked in the MacWorld expo.
In February they actually were doing case production before they had realized -- in hand so they were guessing based off of video and measuring the size of Steve Jobs hands on the -- is gonna.
So the first save big yeah that's right they say big hands big market -- But today their first case that I had.
Used velcro as result -- pacers inside the case.
And it looked when I held it under my arm like a clutch purse which didn't really work for -- Thought this one has these little plastic.
Latches at the bottom to create a cover that goes right over -- this is removable on both sides but you can use it.
With the cover still on.
Mean if you just weren't what picture was about the I had a moment I don't know what does and -- -- -- no evidence wife and daughter.
But but it's nice because it does it does keep that low profile of the iPad for trying to put it in your bag or an inside -- a pocket somewhere for you if you saw that the suit jackets that are now being made with the pockets -- for the.
Tomorrow on FOX & Friends we're gonna have a whole bunch of accessories and the reason I brought up that -- cases because last year two weeks ago on the show here I went through -- fifty cases on the show.
And if you wanna go to foxnews.com and and even a fan of looking at some of these new cases I don't know if you saw the piece but we -- I did I think like fifty cases -- offices literally inundated with cases right now.
So check that out on foxnews.com.
-- have you -- one that you actually like finally after looking at all these cases.
Really nothing's perfect quite yet the closest I've come.
Is this newer technology.
Clear shot -- -- -- on the back and prevents -- -- you get all scratched up when you're typing aren't getting on receive.
When I kind of like about -- that number one it fits so closely that it doesn't ruin that nice clean profile.
I really feel I do -- have that tactile sort of thing when -- using it but also because it's just clear acrylic if you wanna likes to -- -- makes Japanese art paper behind it.
Or pictures of friends and enemies you can be customized right pad and it looked pretty nice -- -- the -- between though the plastic coming iPad I'm still looking for the perfect case that.
Isn't more trouble it's worth to -- Right now Matt look at we're gonna jump in all the big news in fact about -- right after this commercial break big a big hack.
Was it was just it was just under has just done gone under and we're gonna talk about the iPad.
Mom and -- plus the iPhone we come back after this quick commercial break.
Are we are back and we've got a security breach on the iPad of course.
Go walker on Wednesday.
Report I think they're just so thrilled to be able to report this story can that there was a breach on AT&T'S web site that expose email addresses of about a 1141000.
People who bought a three G -- And a lot of fairly high profile people like this got exposed -- what's the latest with this and think what 141000.
But but what's interesting is it wasn't like -- a file was exposed these guys literally took a script and it took all the serial numbers.
And I've started -- randomly generate numbers query the database each time.
So they literally had to figure this stuff out of every device -- wireless -- -- throw on the run.
So it's not as -- -- as one might think yeah but it's what's the problem and left it out for -- warrants for the -- the -- with -- and others.
Yeah well although AT&T also left less critical run at that link from random IP it has is what I mean.
Do whatever you can say about that hackers the security around the thing was supposed sub optimal.
And it's important to Rick says.
At least give them a certain degree of credit that this wasn't as you say it wasn't a file with Social Security numbers and credit card numbers.
It was an association between that wireless chip ID.
And an email address now unfortunately a lot of people consider their email address to be relatively.
Closely held information if -- Rahm Emmanuel who was one of the people who reportedly was caught in this or if you're the chief of staff of the air force.
Your email address is probably not something you want in the hands of you know Albanian hackers but -- could be a problem.
But the but it is.
Much more of a black guy than a true security threat in the sense of people getting into their those people's personal data.
It's just it's unfortunate what certain portion of freaking tee but it's also tough spot for apple because it causes a lot of people say.
Why are you still.
Forcing us the consumer to get in bed with these guys as the only game in town for carrier for the iPhone and the iPad announcing the iPhone for.
Apparently demonstrated that they can't be trusted to behave in responsible fashion.
It uses a black -- at a time and AT&T and certainly didn't need -- given some of the yells that we heard at the keynote address the other day.
You know put it on Verizon's.
-- Yet know they eighteenth he's got a feels though they've been kind of beat up by by all sides and most lucrative -- our patrol at this point.
There that we keynote was not even halfway over before I got a press release from AT&T explaining okay.
All the stuff that's going bad for the iPhone for the keynote it's not our fault if you look at that we repeat it's not -- please don't get us again.
But could seriously it was all the Wi-Fi issues in the hall and someone yelled out put on Verizon and Steve said actually I'm using Wi-Fi.
For these demos right now please closure in your laptops and being good soldiers everyone's -- -- -- laptops as best they could.
The eighteenth he was -- -- this -- -- but it -- -- that the.
But as of this MiFi is fully changed the game -- these pocket repeater and a little Wi-Fi access points via three G coverage.
And Wi-Fi only has three channels that don't conflict with one another.
And with this these.
Yeah yeah sort of gadgets there's no personal information and nothing nothing that we can't change -- it.
A hundred units some of these devices you'd literally have little annoying radio frequencies in your pocket and you put 500 or.
You know you -- part of their room and there already -- walking all over each other.
So let's play a little sound from the event let's just set it appears about a minute of Steve introducing the iPhone -- will come back we'll dive and talk a little bit more in depth about all of the features Google back.
I can work.
For the yeah yeah.
This is really -- And there are.
Well over a hundred new features and we don't have time to cover all of the day so I get to cover eight of them with you.
Eight new features of the iPhone for.
The first one.
An all new design.
Stop -- if you are dizziness and.
A -- moment they're making reference of course that we all had seen the device after all the then -- he jumped in and actually went -- -- deficit.
But you haven't really seen anything yet.
And I guess we really didn't we started to look at the display of this thing.
-- I absolutely.
There's been -- short of ultra high definition displays of on Smartphones over the past 345 months.
But nothing really comes close to what this screen is doing the dot -- -- 300 point thrown for six PPI.
That is actually big difference over the two and fifty -- -- screens you'll get on the Verizon.
On the rise in the new android also the range of colors that it's getting it really does look like one of those really stupid plastic demonstrator prone to see you specified because if you wanna play -- yeah oh no that's probably just the sticker.
It's it's -- almost frightening and the good thing is that apple seems to be of the mine were let's not use this to just cram more buttons and menus and functions on the display let's just make text easier to read let's make buttons clear and every nice little highlight -- shadow that we we've been saying his party interface but the going to be so much more subtle and more photographic.
-- you -- I think we're really got to play with these for -- days before we really appreciate the difference between this display and what came before.
Yes and -- we have some video of that the red display announcement and I mean I was really blown away because when we we walked out actually got our hands on -- you really you really see.
How crystal clear of the text is.
Pixels per inch is that correct and 326 pixels per inch so -- -- 326 -- three point six.
And it looks as if what the text is like on top of the glass and it looks -- -- laid out my other phone fully -- you know -- three GS next to it.
And even -- glad I mean you.
It Texas never -- agreement with the guys guys -- -- going to go back.
Well that's an interest in -- because wired and I think couple other places have picked up claims from some of the the Korean screen manufacturers Samsung and a couple other places saying that.
Well Steve said it was.
It was higher resolution than you can -- if you were holding it at a foot away you couldn't resolve even do it individual dots people came back as a no actually you could resolve the individual lots and I think the the guy who -- the bad astronomer column in Discover Magazine got into the middle of it he said okay look.
A perfect vision could resolve pixels a little bit smaller than this but nobody has perfect vision.
So average vision if you hold the screen at twelve inches away the pixels are invisible.
-- and it is literally a retina display it's at the resolution of your guy so it is if anybody.
Is going to be -- showing a device in the marketplace as soon as that these come out the end of the month and trying to say we have a better screen and -- is going to be.
-- itself but Casilla got the you've got evil in your pockets you -- think apparently -- -- speaking I just -- -- -- back after three weeks of playing with it.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And that's the first want to get version two two of the android operating system.
This even though his running the two -- one operating system and this has this HTC skin on it yet so it's yeah.
And it kind of mocked it up and it crashes every now and then.
This is the first phone also to have the built in hot spots and Ramon which makes the battery is actually when he four minutes -- you can actually hear us because.
And I think that in fact -- the matter guys.
But -- this device no -- it's beautiful if you put it next to an iPhone as far as resolution -- You can see that you do get a lot of glass here as -- -- -- -- there.
So this there's the home page since its home page of both of these guys.
So it is quite a bit larger.
What what's really unique about the -- of fun though is this -- megapixel camera.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I mean everyone is a big deal about it I think every -- you went through exaggerated.
-- better it's not.
Rate now Michael Erickson and his -- -- techcrunch said that you made -- joke we have cells that every time he's running so he's yelling it's true that I think you did.
Usual angry about actually using using the phone battery life he said you need to have like you to -- wondering where you're gonna get your next fix our energy.
And that's an exaggeration per -- and he -- I've I've been playing with -- for three weeks now and I've never gotten to the point where I'm Jones and through six power.
-- you -- make calls probably.
Right but I do -- if you and and I'm talking you can -- not over the top.
I'll Wi-Fi on for half the -- me and I I won't I will just make it to the finish line.
Now -- you're using still an original do you want -- but I am I the latest adopters gadgets you -- watching what was going on both the hardware in the operating system.
I kept saying well this is just come out it's a little bit better I'm gonna hang back and now all of a sudden it's clear that the real generation between throw -- between the two to.
Operating system in the hardware now I've got to make exactly as it were talking about which is it which is an axis or or -- and you won't go iPhone you're not you know how.
-- -- -- hacker and I can write python directly on the android.
It's a good deal broken bones out and how I could do but I figure rather -- -- phone that works -- where I went to work out of the box so I you know that the iPhone is beautiful these Margaret just not far from.
-- your take on -- get that we have to pull right up right now in the chat room.
-- -- ACC ego or an incredible what's your take on this human playing with the eagle for -- -- as well right.
Yeah I've -- all three over the past month.
And I think that I was just absolute perfect thing to say it's not the the iPhone is about the right phone for everybody and indirect phone is not the right phone for everybody -- two different operating systems with two very different philosophies on what the relationship should be between the handset and the user.
I don't like I prefer iphones to -- because I think that -- that just makes more sense from after app to app and experience to experience.
And there's too many things in an android phone run this thing oh come on you didn't put a button bear right next of the -- that means that I don't hit it just perfectly I'm gonna skip ahead thirty minutes in this podcast did you not test this with a human being before -- and you know what you know up.
Things like that not the openness is definitely going to be an issue for a lot of people but having I had -- for a deal on my -- -- Nexus One for the past few weeks.
I can definitely say that that really bumped up there that the borrow a lot a used to say that HTC sense was almost a necessary thing to make it an amber opponent -- consumer from.
Now I think that the best thing that android can do is give you phone that's just plain Vanilla earlier.
No extra widgets -- through shortcuts let the user defined how he wants the -- mr.
cousins -- I like -- -- like -- you vote by elected -- deleted everything that was preinstalled in there and start arranging things exactly the -- like that.
And that's good news for android now not having to rely on them since you -- to make it actually usable operating system.
We take a quick commercial break chat some more iPhone that we had died in the -- are these new book after this.
-- -- -- Got a backup camera like -- part are not welcome back against you we are the man -- let's do around the warning him just like a part of an eruption -- not obvious that this afternoon from Boston always -- -- -- you any.
Our in studio is -- sure he author of the new book cognitive surplus Dave Matthews the gadget inventor guy -- -- gadget guy.
Sir if -- Jeff Bakalar for CNET host -- pregame -- rose from the unofficial apple -- and I did that all.
Without a teleprompter various stresses -- -- -- it's not comment on how could this put but the I'm Clayton Morris that we have -- we have a poll going on right now in the chat rooms have died in there overwhelmingly 75%.
Say that you would purchase a new iPhone.
Over -- you but what a different network actually Verizon T-Mobile etc.
make an iPhone more come compelling 75%.
Say yes that's that new poll out there I think that that it says a lot.
About what we may expect I think a lot of people were surprised I wasn't surprised though -- -- the keynote to not here.
A Verizon partnership a lot of people wanted to know Verizon Verizon.
Yeah I mean that -- -- other more rumors about T-Mobile getting into the -- I I've really just downgraded.
Multiple carrier rumors too low rumor at this point I'm not gonna believe any news about a new carrier until I actually see opponent my hand when the different logo up there and left corner.
It's it's it's got to happen soon is gonna start becoming such shows what a pain in the butt.
For apple to keep maintaining AT&T everybody really about the when he -- and he -- change their pricing plan for a change from unlimited data down to two gigs.
And coincidentally the pricing plan ends on the day that this new phones being announced that this would mean we're gonna start seeing new phones a new a new carries out their but.
But the shows you how much people are really looking forward to seeing that different logo.
There was a moment might give them in the press conference when we're all thinking.
That was an and to -- part of the announce those kind of quiet.
And we also sort looking around T-Mobile and that moment was because mentioned in -- -- hardware specs.
Is the is that 200 that hurts the quad band fatwa right or -- -- -- -- -- depending on exactly are you coming how you -- you -- at and T-Mobile partnership.
It see it.
My I mean I'm kind of with -- -- on this it is that -- the the prospect of another carrier is such a wonderful sort of bring you do not there in the distance for the iPhone because BC do you do this year.
People saying literally I would buy an iPhone if not for AT&T that's the phone I want I can't stand that carrier and there.
It isn't a problem for apple until suddenly they stop selling every iPhone they can make.
Right now short of hardware change short of swapping out that radio for CNN radio the only other domestic carrier could possibly go with without changing it is T-Mobile.
And having that.
Additional frequency band for three G on the phone.
Is it you know I read it is an insurance policy it also affects some overseas carriers -- carriers and in South Pacific were affected by some of those bandwidth those that frequency band changes but I really think that it's not going to be until.
The third quarter or fourth quarter when Verizon can reasonably say to apple look we've got our -- -- coverage.
On for those hundred million customers that we said we would in 2010 we've got the top fifty markets.
Let us make the iPhone hour even with -- forgy.
Let it let us make it our forgy launch -- and I I mean I think would be a fantastically successful -- for them if they did one of the main issue.
Became and was about the phone itself and some of the hidden.
Some of the hidden.
-- with on the phone we saw if you end Kevin you can run some of this if you haven't but it's the yet there it is so -- specific lines which -- Yeah a lot divorcing and -- gives -- -- what are those and then Steve answered them which is -- part of the antenna system.
And it's a new fairly exciting antenna system but it raises some say it raises some interesting points was the problem with the phone all along dropping calls not what eighteen team.
Rather with apple.
-- -- the first version of the iPhone was aluminium cases and my friends and -- like this.
The next step ahead of plastic back which should help with the transparency and in the iPad had little -- on the back for three G and Wi-Fi connectivity.
But you know having been the cellular business most of my career I think it's really that you want and intending grounded by a -- hand -- right up.
I was just never been seen before tong.
They did a glass back and a glass front runner's clever so glasses radio transparent but your hand -- not.
There's not -- the point though and I think we've heard this before which if you're not supposed to touch.
And tennis right they don't like you to touch and tennis and change of the two it's bizarre I mean the whole point of it was too.
I mean is on the chest to fit more -- things you know more consolidated inside the device just put it sounds like this might be this Achilles heel at the end today.
In terms of perception.
If there's from what I hear -- people or any question and you.
Design choice in terms of you know will this end up being worse -- I gotta get worse service.
It is I think you'll have a phone yeah that's -- Brilliant little careless getting goods and he's gonna get encouraging people love -- I'd love because I am special iPhone -- -- what do you make of this.
Do you think.
Steve did mention -- one point that he I think was interview actually during the was he referring to AT&T -- this new antenna system.
My guess would be that he was referring musically I -- -- my guess would be he's referring to the antenna system.
But that view is that the nature of that kind of conversation that was conversational it was a very personal.
So that's one of those who have -- assaults -- conversations -- -- but I'm sure he believes that.
I'm not sure that that's going to be the proof that we find out about in September when we've got millions and millions of these iPhone pours out there.
It is it isn't -- design -- don't know we're looking inside the park the natural or else they could have put an antenna array except for actually running it on the outside on the edge there.
So you're -- that is a good point about the tuning of the antennas the blood that brings to mind something that is always my advice any time apple comes up a radical new design.
That they don't just -- -- software they don't just design new heartburn they also designed brand new methods of manufacturing and chances are they're not gonna figure out what the -- from this manufacturing process until -- start making -- 300000.
Half a million copies of this and they all go into the field.
You don't try you don't trust the gray Powell did enough market research out in the field that could be your house.
Firefight and got them and learn with a Canadian beer with a Budweiser with a tourniquet because -- conservative think I was definitely just -- -- this thing apart you'll.
Up some of the other things that we came out of this I movie for the iPhone which I was really excited about I think that and enclave talk about this in your book but as.
You know having all this cognitive surplus but being a producer and having the ability to be on the field it struck me as I was reading your book last week and then -- -- the keynote -- thought.
-- -- apple disorder may need a lot of people producers have been YouTube mention with a three GS along to the three GS the amount of YouTube videos they saw from the three GS was overwhelming.
And this happened before Flickr Flickr which which had as of just a casualties of metadata from photo sharing which which.
Can -- for the most -- there.
Very quickly the iPhone became the number one source -- pictures on Flickr.
And this is this is the lesson of the Internet over and over and we told -- -- we took we all told ourselves in the twentieth century that would with the couch potato because apparently.
Right so everybody wants to consume all the time that's that's -- -- a 100% used to -- And it turns out we like to consume we also like to produce and we'd like to share and what we've seen with apple a number of other.
Other companies is that when you lower the difficult.
For people making things and for people sharing things the amount of making in the amount of shared goes from them.
-- to the I thought they had camera phones before -- the iPhone made it.
Easy and fun and the pictures look good and it was so quick to get it up on the network and that just those engineering -- To people's intrinsic -- they're they're you know personal motivations and it caused the number of photos to expect we may see the same thing happen.
Yeah and I think Mike.
The I movie -- BI movie capability and I Lewis for it is it's so easy me just playing with it yeah Tom to be able to -- Play on the timeline with a one that was one of the things are really wanna test out the phone plane when it was you know is this gonna crash on me is gonna be slow and lag is -- -- -- be a problem.
It really wasn't dragging it you know I haven't played with -- obviously on the field but even the video this was there and manipulating it rendering it.
This obviously -- is seven points and -- fastest growing economies of did the company -- clearly learned a lot from the the time that the three GS has been in the field from first introducing a -- onboard video capability.
And having the very basic sort of you know cut and paste editing that was part of that offering to be able to scale it up and say you have a miniature video studio in your phone.
And we're gonna provide you did the CPU power -- actually make it work memory bandwidth actually make it work.
I mean we won't really know as you know as as Andy was saying until these do we get into the field in the in the hundreds of thousands but it does look like any.
Strong contender to knock the flip.
And the Kodak and Kodak -- -- six.
Yeah that's I -- -- because this phone felt to me it felt like a camera and if I'm not mistaken didn't Steve during one point you don't mention that -- you haven't seen a device this -- -- something -- and since one of those old.
Like a camera like cameras and yeah I mean it's it's it's -- put more Cameron and this certainly is gonna help us taking -- -- pictures.
I really thought of on the superstar announcements was the development of a camera my biggest complaint about both of those HTC and for devices that over the past couple months is that.
-- great -- eight megapixel cameras eight is indeed a larger number than five country very proud of that.
But I took these camera took these files -- Bermuda I took these phone all around Boston are on the office.
I really couldn't convince myself that it was that they were taking better pictures than -- the five megapixel camera on the Nexus One and in many cases not even better than the three megapixel camera on the iPhone.
If the iPhone has better camera software for interpreting what those pixels mean and turning into a good -- Also by keeping the megapixel count down and include in -- changing the way that they have they're changing their they're abusing a larger -- and having a bit different kind of image sensor.
They're promising they're gonna have better low light performance better color fidelity.
And just better better pictures and that.
The first time as people start posting these things the quicker and we can see wow that was a great shot you say those with your phone what phone was that that's exactly the phone that I want that I want to have those kind of pictures.
On my device and I snuck out of I snuck out a piece of video.
And -- most -- do that.
-- -- don't she saw this year but I actually a managed -- to email myself piece of video and no one you know.
-- an apple really seem to care but.
Put it up it's as of this afternoon and has a 50000 views on YouTube you can check it out it's go to Claymores 99 on YouTube you can see how should the video.
And it's remarkable even using the dual microphones and -- room it manages to cancel out a lot of the noise -- that -- room from the demo table.
And and that's using so it's a five megapixel because essentially using the video camera for that the front the forward facing camera.
I took some photos also looked at those.
It's hard to tell because it looks like an angel's room when you're in there are so beautifully lit and everything perfect it's not until you get -- -- the field you actually start using it to see how it's gonna look.
It got a lot of these cameras if you think about a 720 1080.
And people don't realize until you go shoot some video that audio isn't.
Major portion you can have video dropouts and video blurring of the focuses of right.
But -- the audio sub par.
You really can notice that as bad media bad contact.
-- yeah so I like that they put -- noise canceling -- which is what the Nexus One was first introduced with the January yeah yeah.
So apple -- you know kind of catching up in that regard.
But still there's not a forward facing -- towards -- subject matter -- I think this is going to be united success through play for companies to come up with this technology throughout.
So we've now face time also before it's a commercial break face time was another big announcement Jeff are you excited about video chatting with your mom over Wi-Fi.
Now I I'd I don't need to see here that that's better -- -- It's cool you know -- Everyone wants cross platform video chatting I'm sure that'll happen through third party or whatnot but.
-- Obviously every once in over three G as well so I think that's he's.
That's the big handicap right because as I as I wrote this week as it you know I love it I think -- it's a great.
It's you know it's great but -- you know I'm at home I -- just -- on my computer with Vietnam and you know over Wi-Fi could just jump on -- -- -- jump on -- at home the real key for me is gonna be when -- out -- the in the Golden Gate Bridge or something I wanna call.
You know we could call mom called -- hey you know and you can't leave house because you're a mobile.
But take a look at my phone I'm actually the Golden Gate Bridge right now and -- over three G yet I was really surprised it wasn't.
And I think that that's in the same category as the voice over IP applications which took a sort of a generation of being out in the field for.
AT&T or or apple to say you know what it's time to let you you know let you out of the corral a little bit I think that.
For this it it is gonna take a little longer these are very bandwidth intensive applications anybody who's done -- Justin TV.
For a quick stream can tell you they will put a burden on your phone.
And what was sort of bizarre to me and I and I and I tried to.
Walk this of walk this down a little bit is why there wasn't compatibility announced with iChat.
At the time they were talking about this if you have a video chat I thought that was Fresno home run I -- I'm surprised it's a huge.
Ellen let's have some codec issue where they're not able to get this I don't remember if I'm not horrible news -- where it's possible that -- that I -- -- to very low manpower.
Department and apple right now.
I'm having a hard time finding people who are really aggressively working on iChat apple right now but doesn't bets that the new thing right now but I was curious out of all the people -- -- I was talking to.
It seems as though I chose a very -- low priority right now -- -- you -- And that's going to be a next generation thinks I thought okay I'm making a phone call soliciting home on the -- -- gonna pop right up there -- that the -- this sort of buzz that we got from our readers we brought this issue to them was that they thought Skype was actually going to LeapFrog.
IChat for support and Skype would offers a plug in -- what would any -- thinks this is pretty funny but a but if it it is I mean if apple is opening this is -- -- and of course Skype doesn't use H 264 for its video calling right now I'm not mistaken so this would be a different.
Stack that they have to implement but.
That's -- they want to India -- a final word on this we'll take a commercial break you were laughing go -- Oh no it's just that I every Catholic mass starts with many of the father in the -- holy spirit every Skype conference I've been historically a -- they have -- -- come on -- -- right now enough that you work.
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Already was -- a quick break we'll be right back here with a great panel I don't have dive into -- new book cognitive surplus will be right back.
We are back here on gadgets and games all I think we lost Andy -- -- -- -- losing any other areas.
What -- you know Kevin was just joking.
We are back with our panel and you know I'm thrilled to have glacier here in the studio and if you haven't read his previous book on here comes everybody.
-- every one of everybody everybody got a right a great a great look at social media his new book is out called cognitive surplus.
And it's called creativity and generosity in a connected -- read it last week and so what is -- -- Plus -- -- it's two things it.
The cumulative free time and talent to be educated world we've got over.
A trillion hours a year out of time to do with we like when we're not.
When we're not working actually.
-- this thing it is is a network that allows us to use that free time.
Creatively but in public gaining cumulative -- before the break we are talking about Flickr.
-- exist not just because people have time to take photos but -- also because we've now got the tools to share.
So -- -- starting to see across the media landscape all these sort of productive generous and served you know creative generous social uses.
Where the twentieth century -- norm was just you pure consumption.
Because we've got.
Both the free time the -- to do these things and now -- we've got the tools on our deficit in our pockets that that let us act on those motivations.
In ways that happen she -- believe you know collaborative -- socially.
And out in public revenue just doing kind of in our homes.
One of the questions that you raise in the book is how much will we be able to take advantage of this new found -- of surplus will we be able to use it for.
The betterment of humanity out of a city right -- surplus to help us out.
What's your assessment do you think we will.
You know that I don't even think.
I don't yet want to predict that because we're the generation that's gonna make it happen which -- falls to us to figure out.
Taking this meeting how to press that the service.
Only get an analogy with the early history of the printing press.
We've got erotic novels -- hundred years before we go outside the picture thank -- so yeah I know that it doesn't fit into this issue.
That sort of thing that happens all the time when the abundance of a -- meeting comes along you get the throw away so right away.
And hook it took a group of people.
The really sitting -- saying you know we wanna use the printing press to make all the -- in the chemistry they didn't do it in those words but that's what they were doing.
They wanted to put all we have a real scientific footing and so.
The idea published results became central besides.
That wasn't inherent in the pretty impressive technology that was cultural -- Right and it -- to us now to walk around the abundance by -- media and to say.
Yeah everybody's got to phone their pocket it's it's these phones -- video cameras -- It can or will be videos of people after the third Margarita.
Or whistles start a -- To document you you know electoral fraud.
Help the natural disasters these kinds of uses of the tools and of human participation.
That that makes life.
That you were you -- -- interest in point is is any retirement I movie in this idea that you know hopefully all these people we like to think of it that all of these people will be polished producers.
You certainly spent a lot of time with gadgets.
-- help people understand this you -- great long columns of Chicago sun times.
Do you get the sense so that there's a shift to producers or is it still sort of people after the third -- -- just using these tools and.
Well -- the that the everything about the statement these technologies in the software is that.
It stops it starts it from being.
A trade and started being makes -- -- to -- you -- instead.
People who kids and I love the -- all these kids were growing up now with.
Every computer they use has a really wonderful offline video editor.
Built into it when we were kids you just couldn't afford to shoot film if you can afford to shoot it you couldn't afford to really learn the skills to -- it.
And you'd make -- be -- -- before you start to lose interest.
I myself don't even I have really great cameras I don't even like to -- it because I have to sit down the computer to watch the software the idea of having a good set a decent 120.
Maybe I'll start messing around with that on the -- on the way home and by the time I land I -- have.
About a ten minute assembled video my four day trip that I can then put on to YouTube yeah that's when bad as I've I think that's the heart miraculous thing about that next generations of technology that screen around with a.
He had any -- have -- good point as one of the things you bring up in the book which is that it's rarely permanent this idea of if we move towards you -- -- website from Africa these that you few media sushi.
And it's used for the public good but rarely is it sustainable and -- has -- -- make magazine.
And trying to create this idea this culture around getting back to the roots -- actually.
Making stuff and again right how do you sustain that though if it's not apparently.
-- it's not.
You try to rally the troops over the last for generations is it possible well so.
There's you know I still a lot of the book is really parallels with other media -- one of the into things that happened when when the British press came along so it is -- -- -- -- realized.
To get the good out of the printing press everybody's going to be able to read.
And all of a sudden we invested all of these resources and the teaching people to read.
And at the same time reading writing no longer automatically got to a job the way it did when only scribes could read it right.
So to take -- take to make.
Magazine example we have a possibility of just making a cultural more.
That children should should sense that -- user serviceable parts inside.
That they can -- combined think there's any -- we can try things we can break stuff to see what happens.
Isn't so much in this world of no user serviceable parts could make with this fantastic.
Sort of response saying you know what no matter what it is what -- -- -- building something -- wood or your putting two videos together.
It's good to happen society where people feel like.
This stuff they have access to stuff they can change.
It's -- the iPhone is both -- good and bad right doesn't fit the make model -- all right we'll also.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- But if you've ever when you bought -- televisions that or radio in the seventies and eighties the -- schematic when you open the case.
Yeah and you can literally go to RadioShack -- capacitor is an resign or whatever -- out there -- -- That that this whole idea of developing -- hacking can do lot of stuff on software about it so that's what I really like about the apple and android platforms.
But trying to the next level there's devices like -- Reno bug labs we can literally build equipment and I love the old Linksys routers is you can tell those apart.
-- SD slots on and so there's a little bit of hardware hacking revolution going on right now and I just spoken make magazine on how to be an inventor.
And a six year old came up to me afterwards said Dave I wanna be an inventor just like you.
That's -- they wanted to be just like me.
I believe I hit an estimated that -- -- sun news on money inventing an offensive about it I think he might my -- -- that that in my unity and interactive telecommunications room in my office mate Tom -- ago.
Is one of the lead designers developers of the art -- you know.
Of the open source packing -- And what's so interesting about this is that feedback loop between hardware itself accused -- chip you can.
You can attach sensors to you can -- motors to it you can do all these things.
And the global communications.
That goes on around the -- we -- community spread out all over the world in the people who make it right mosques most Italy's.
Somebody Norway Toms and -- in New York.
And that the the digital tools we have made possible the collaboration that's driving hardware revolution which gets more people interested who join the community so -- these are groups going between the sort of the media landscape of what -- people wanna do and then changing the physical world.
To improve -- of the old physical virtual split right role going to be big flip video it virtual reality that's kind of breaking down now and people are actually using -- you know they're they're communications on the network to start changing things in the real.
That's great -- Just in -- -- and all of that I you have to pick it up Jeremy if you in the chat room throw this -- link up there.
Two content of surplus the new book by clincher pizza fascinating read so where do you think what things I wanted I wanted a prediction at the end what -- we go from here.
Where is it is there I have all this positive that he now that not all of us are lazy asses.
You know now -- -- go right well.
So there's this thing I do that that is the way a breakdown in the books to make the distinction you make nearly between communal value where the participants put value and get value.
And civic -- -- the participants put valuing it at all of society benefits for the open source movement the classic example.
We can't clinics over here that everybody gets to benefit from what we made the Apache web server over here everybody gets -- If I could if I could say if you can kick anybody whose interest you wanna do one thing to make the world better.
-- at least -- participatory opportunity where you're doing it for civic you're not just doing it because it's fun for you when your friends which is great.
There's an opportunity here to do something that's that's interesting to work on.
And makes the world a better place and find your voice among the -- Wikipedia or otherwise let and we keep usery socialism does a great example patients like me people cooling medical information -- -- patience -- -- medical information together to try to accelerate medical research.
Those are really civic kind of participation where.
It's not just it makes me feel better because I'm scratching an intrinsic participatory interest these.
Actually potentially benefiting a lot of people I'll never meet them who would get something out of my cash.
Well it'll be interesting to see.
Where we go over the next ten years with -- sort of open -- movement -- -- check it out clincher reasonable cognitive surplus I wonder if some of the surplus will help us find and develop better video games.
I'm 53 next week launches and on Sunday were flying out there to see the big Microsoft announcement Sunday.
-- and Jeff what are we likely to see from project Mittal on on Sunday which is not project anymore now it's just that.
Tell idol -- I I'm I'm assuming we're gonna get you real name I still don't think they're gonna call -- -- -- -- Whatever they decide to call will probably you know then army.
Here's a look at -- -- just a look at some of you know the preview videos of what we've seen of that can play and standing in front of it you you're the controller.
You are the controller out you know.
There's nothing no other motion controller has been shrouded in the -- of secrecy that -- -- And essentially because PlayStation comes out it's -- here's the -- it's basically Wii motion plus.
It's basically a hybrid of -- -- and Wii motion plus does if you signs.
He you know the sort of motion capturing with the camera like Mittal -- and then uses that really sensitive gyroscope.
So dominant combo.
For control so their cars are laid out on the table.
But still with Microsoft it still -- sort of you know -- People you know there's no incentive schemes nothing's been an incident -- official games everyone's wearing wolf I don't -- -- use my finger -- a -- that's ridiculous.
So they really have to make it compelling argument for people to say all right go out and spend this other.
Probably a hundred dollars as of this can cost -- home you know they they really have to me.
Couldn't sort of -- You know what -- -- think about the -- do you think that's gonna.
I have a sense that Microsoft Microsoft stole the show last year with the tall -- -- -- -- -- -- still with the tech demo they they still with you know someone.
Yeah -- moving their hands and then it was like oh well you know that's amazing there's no gain there though.
The that the question is is the Xbox buyer.
This same person who's going to be doing.
Games this way because the Wii has already.
Sucked all the air out of that market in terms of manipulating manipulating through space I mean I think -- be fantastic to see a version of Guitar Hero or rock band that literally uses air guitar that would be fantastic.
-- cool we have student years ago and I TP bit version of asteroids which -- Projected on the side of the building and you with a controller had his run and ran the shop and he was is that.
Actually he lost forty pounds yeah.
Yeah it was too -- -- This.
Of this interface is just the games have got to be asked rated buildings it -- -- -- but I don't know what's what's going to be different at all.
Would anyway what's your take on that do you think because Nintendo -- -- -- complaints about Nintendo Wii is that it there's no rules compelling third party reason to to get a Nintendo Wii.
It's Microsoft may have that same problem and if they -- have their own proprietary dodge ball games.
I I think and talk could be really exciting if Microsoft decides to make it the defining interface.
For the Xbox -- -- just as a game system but as the family living room computer everybody has these big beautifully Steve.
Computer monitors in the most popular -- of their house.
What is the great -- just by the virtual you're walking through the -- -- the camera recognizes you would simply drops out.
By the way I've unconnected to your Gmail -- your -- three messages.
I know that I know your calendar says zero Europe to Boston today -- the next three commuter rail trains and at the nearest station electability gestures is simply pull apart the air base out and just do -- quick search.
Scroll scroll scroll -- what I want and then keep moving out the door.
Because -- that -- kind of had that tees and betrayal and the preview hardware announcement last year to -- you know Andy was talking about but again this is all vapor -- at the time in its gonna suggest vigorous.
Microsoft is really good at demo Padilla and Google doesn't you don't -- -- report.
Never heard it was certainly exactly right.
We're getting in the sky that needs minority yeah I don't want my devices like that I find me and on the other thing with gesture interfaces is they're way too ambiguous Apple's been a hundred million dollars teaching us the pinch -- slide.
And when you're able to move your hands and air like minority report.
There's no real training and it's way too ambiguous so I think it's gonna be limited to a novelty and I for one don't want my expect at least sixty booting up when I walk in my living room to say.
Hello -- and hello from the Broadway editorials -- -- any other device reminding you that you have pending email that it's gonna remind me.
I think it's -- more technology for review and people in that room that.
Yeah because the man into the giant screen.
-- can't -- vision for the but I think they're gonna have a hard time convincing the hardcore gamers.
That Mittal -- with the need to complete their today have to go the authorities have the other artists or audiences and access the hardcore and -- and the heart Cardenas is far.
The -- -- is far less likely to actually get up off the couch that.
I mean it's still think they can't do this okay so -- wouldn't let me through the -- bring -- -- roll the video from gears of war three so for instance.
Could you see a situation where here's a trailer for gears of war three were likely to see this -- at.
Right well I don't know that it planned on the -- all -- that would be weird sort of controller motion combos and then I just don't see happening.
But you know I got to play.
With these are removed but it's on influential -- that was a much more satisfying experience because they were able to view -- that sort of pinpoint accuracy shooting.
I don't see -- how do you.
You know including games like this because it just the the core basic first person shooter.
-- -- that that the scheme relies -- So looking at this game right now we're what do you expect from this pretty big there's going to be -- because I mean you know.
It's almost feels like he's gears of war games they become -- every -- now and piano.
Me personally I'm a big fan of these new intellectual properties that come out -- just sort of -- people.
You know sequels agree about taking anything away from -- words agree franchise.
All put you know I don't think this team will have the -- and here's -- to do it because this kind of you know been there done.
I did space to let's -- did speaks to the sensitive issue is much so much more ambitious game in terms of -- story and you know environment did you -- really interest and help with.
With gravity affects.
All I'd like that a lot of time has passed since the first dead space game.
If I'm looking forward to that.
But you know it is simple you just come and let you know there are exceptions that -- gears and this -- you know.
Mean -- an exception.
But it was so what Sony real quick Sony and Nintendo so we know we're talking about project -- -- what does Sony have to do well received move obviously which we've already seen is that we're gonna get from Sony is not yet I think you're just gonna get a much more room the presentation of what -- Really it's all about there's a lot of confusion over this sub controller if that they're calling this thing.
Everyone's where have you know ping pong ball sort of motion capture yet and all ball on toppled -- yeah exactly everyone's there with that are familiar with the technology now we're gonna get finally okay twelve games that are coming.
Here's how much can you exactly.
You know streamlining people.
The whole thing so that's what I am as -- here for months this Nintendo 3-D S yeah that's definitely what I'm looking forward to above.
Everything else doesn't show -- you know -- sort of releasing a very strange way as it was they they.
So at a press release two days before the -- -- -- -- and was strange timing on that.
He -- undercut the sale of one device released a press release that for you paper's story for it is.
Apple's iPod what but it's still you know it'll be -- to see how they do three with no goggles no glasses they are you know everyone's -- that yet it's going to three B.
I think it's gonna have to do with sort of I hate detection that means that compartments and -- -- that illusion that what you're playing isn't really no one really knows.
That for -- is the biggest mystery about this.
Around the -- real fast bets on whether or not we're gonna see Nintendo we HD orders that but we just -- -- a platform dying off.
Any any votes any idea I I don't think it's dying off I think that he had realized.
-- -- -- -- -- Entire planet that our -- and we'll keep them in good shape and could help them with this new American Heart Association partnership with the -- and now your heart is gone beyond that has -- playing with -- -- so.
I am almost positive we're gonna see he initiative pushing this sort -- into the sort of you know.
Box Cheerios fit part of bounced right across -- -- amazing east.
I'm gonna get -- -- for three years after its launch -- unimpressed okay console war right right does it push the console longevity now like ten years.
It's unbelievable we have a new android phone every three months.
And as opposed to platforms are completely -- -- -- products but yeah you know I think.
I think -- -- -- -- HD Cadillac just don't know for Tennessee at this time.
Well that's gonna do for our show -- go around the horn here and say thanks Mike what are you working on over the unofficial apple weblog what we've.
Had two guys out at WB DC in San Francisco this -- we have a lot of developer interviews that are coming down over the next few days video and and copy.
And of course we're going to be covering.
The iPhone four G forgy -- keep saying that the iPhone for launch in the IOS -- launch.
At the end of the month so great confront -- not go from the Chicago sun times.
What have you been working on what's your next big column.
Next becomes obviously going to be your iPhone for review I've already built Hillary to get four different cameras into -- cameras running at the same time -- a single thing -- a yes you have if I'm looking -- believe we have the iPhone for review -- I'm looking forward to a four week -- -- against reading the words apple Google -- again with the up up up.
As -- through the best.
Or that Andy's new camera rig is he'll be driving while he's -- I think it's -- -- atmosphere that's how it usually -- any great to see you as always as well it Dave Matthews nice to see you have you on the show for the first time what are you working -- I think you I just posted a story last week that says whether you should buy the -- though for Gphone the first ever Nextel network -- or if you wait for the version for the iPhone.
And that's that -- pixels dot com tell the pixels dot com thank you so much to aid and pleasure to have you on the show.
What we just spoke to the war come back to Jeff tackle our host of -- game.
And the 404 on the on on CNET what are you working on.
We're gonna have live coverage of registry reading all -- press conferences on CNET TV.
Pre game -- this Tuesday we will be you know it was right after -- press conferences so instant analysis and coverage and -- that.
Lot of stuff to do -- a little matter of time but you can check out cnet.com.
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Cool yet chickened out and download the podcast as well it's a great video podcasts and it looks nice on an iPad to -- in Washington.
And glacier -- -- you've been working on it is a new book cognitive surplus creativity and generosity and connected age.
What else you -- and I had -- on the torso yeah so so with the book just launch yesterday book tour coming up in the fall -- it's -- be teaching.
Harvard I'm teaching of the Shorenstein Center are as -- -- Kennedy -- part of government school I'm going to be Burton felt that it society.
Never heard yeah.
Well so great to have you on the show as well I think you all for watching this week on gadgets and -- -- free to download the full video podcasts in iTunes if you missed any other in the Zune marketplace as well hopefully very soon in Hulu.
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