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What with -- classified military documents released by Wiki leaks pose a threat to national security the security of all of us our families.
Or potentially to our troops in Afghanistan.
The Pentagon now saying the documents appear to be -- secret not top secret.
Classification what does that all mean lieutenant colonel Tony -- -- and over -- defence studies.
I joins us -- -- -- talk this through that was the difference between top secret secret or classified why does -- matter with the Pentagon says right now.
There's -- classification system for what what is considered national security information top secret information.
Is basically -- identified as that which could if released to the public or made available to the adversary could cause.
Grave damage to the the -- the united states of secret is a bit less important by the fact its -- lake could cause severe damage to return graver.
-- that's -- away from each other but let's let's let's talk about that the fact that.
-- a lot of the information that's being discussed within the context of this leak.
Has to do with historic information and buy their own efforts within week two weeks in the the other other media outlets have been some level of the self editing.
What they believe some of the more more.
Real risky documents to release.
So we've been hearing from the from the White House said -- the release of this document can really pose a threat for national security.
How has our national security changed in the last 24 hours because of these leaks.
Well frankly that -- -- hasn't for two reasons the the White House I believe also put out that there's nothing to what you see here this is all historic stuff and I think that's what we need to focus on.
-- it's bad process wasn't followed the individual -- them probably be going to jail because he didn't go through the whistle blowing.
Or oversight mechanisms which he should've.
That that does not excuse his actions are however with that said.
Most of what we're talking about it is a historic nature we already know there's been problems with the US and the ISI and the IRS ISI giving support entirely -- -- -- CIA FI.
India Pakistan intelligence services -- intelligence service which -- been that the CI partner in Pakistan working on their side of the border.
-- Weis is significant why is this something that you think is a big take away from these documents.
Why is a big takeaways this goes back to I often birdies were two is an analogy -- this is like the British working with the Nazis.
It's leaking information than about what we're gonna do enormity due to the -- -- And what this does is it's not -- it gives a great deal more information about how they've been assisting apparently the -- bond and more importantly Jenna.
This talks about the fact that we've known for the past six years.
What's been happening to allow for the situation to a -- To become chaotic as it is now I've got a book coming out there in the -- -- operation or cart which is going to be another eye opener along the same lines.
I didn't help illustrate I Abbott yeah NB -- could great read -- -- whether write questions for you -- going after I finish up here what -- it -- at the founder of Wiki leaks.
I stat is that white is in these documents proves that there are war crimes that have taken place.
That there are troops that are guilty of these -- crimes what's your take on that.
I think it's one of those issues it's in the eye of the beholder if you want to see war crimes are gonna see war crimes I.
I do believe that as as things happening combat I've been there.
People -- killed incidentally for the wrong reasons that happens -- -- does not make it a war crime makes it a very tragic event.
Something that we do have to to to make right we cannot walk away from it.
But a war crime is as strong language which is meant to provoke a response I don't do not believe our soldiers I served there with the right I am one of them.
We do not engage in war crimes as far as I know.
Colonel -- that as you are one of them talked with a little bit about their standpoint they're in the field right now.
These leaks had taken place Howard's how is -- -- safety put in jeopardy because of this and what you think it's on the morale side.
With their reaction might -- that's.
Well I think it's going to be now -- clarify -- quite common Donna reed army reserve officer not serving right now saying as a as -- think tank guy but what that said.
I think this this will not help morale I think this is one of those things it's it's going to be something that you have to deal with very quickly.
The pot the problem here again is the Pentagon has not done a good job of controlling the narrative of the war.
There's look there's an information vacuum if you will during World War II there is -- your Reports From the Front talking about progress we've not really had much of that I think any -- there's a vacuum.
Any information available that bit and that will meet that requirement goes into it.
This is something both the Pentagon and the government -- a better job of of of basically talking about in real terms trying to account for what went wrong and try to put things back on track.
We get need to fix it strategy I don't like a -- one with the current strategy and that's part of what I think they're trying to prove to woody.
And their reaction needs to be from the Pentagon based on the fact that this information that this week has put out.
Supersedes any of the good stories quote well what are the positive stories they told about this war.
I would I would that use a White House term to to talk about this is a key point this is a moment of of of being able to teach and say this is not what we really are all about this is what we're all about let's reset the narrative to show what we're really trying to do why we're doing it.
And frankly we need to focus on the real adversaries where they're at which is Pakistan and that's one of the points -- I think everybody would come away with.
We cannot hope to win the war and -- we we win.
That did it that the part on the Pakistani side of the border.
Our political hack ahead and set the narrative today what do you think he's -- -- -- the narrative going forward how would you I'll -- it.
Well first off I would focus on the fact that we have to get into Pakistan we have to do joint ops I -- directly and above board with the pakistanis to secure their side of the border.
We can't -- we have to work like the Pashtun the question don't you border nor should wait.
We have to then incentivized.
The issues of how we work with the -- the pakistanis are more worried about the Indians in the we hit it and help in the Cold War there and lastly we've really got to focus on how to get our troops out of harm's way right now they're between the collar bomb.
And the Afghan government often you can't win between -- being a position.
If that's the federal government is corrupt people know what the collar bomb offers some alternatives which people are -- -- -- going going -- so.
You've got to consider how to get ourselves out of the middle that.
Allowed Afghans to us to sort it out for themselves without us being in the middle didn't try to focus on the real issues hidden that's -- -- Well -- -- it's it's it's gonna have to happen we have to find a way to extract ourselves from that focus on the real issues and Pakistan.
And try to bring victory because right now we're not doing well.
Quick question here why do you think that Pakistan -- -- -- In in the eye sight of our leaders because when we talk about this where we're talking about Afghanistan and again goes back to that -- rhetorical -- that you're talking about.
I mean the public we haven't we -- talked about Pakistan why are -- missing that.
What is important if you -- the president actually did say the source of all of our problems in Afghanistan come from Pakistan his speech at West Point last year when he announced his strategy.
The problem has been.
I don't think people of I internalize what that really means I mean we've talked about the Pakistan as an ally yet there's clear evidence.
Secretary Gates just said this spring there was concerned about it.
And about -- so we we just have not identified well I'm focused on it well we need to incentivize our relationship with them we just can't get -- giving a billion dollars expecting the change your behavior we're gonna back.
Well as -- -- -- book again.
Well my opera my -- is operation dark heart.
Comes out at the end of August 31 of August and it'll be an eye opener that'll -- same same same information and greater greater detail -- -- -- body -- by the and obviously if it -- we'll answer.
We do expect an exclusive on that by the way colonel decided well we're working on that are in fact what we're looking forward -- that we appreciate you joining us is as you always do.
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