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Here's comedian and magician -- libertarian Penn Jillette.
-- show Penn and teller DS is on showtime tonight at 10 PM and the co anchor of ABC's 20/20 John Stossel -- upcoming segment.
On Canada is -- -- specialists segment.
A segment on that's definitely just the segment just simply well he would -- -- -- I got the whole the whole prime time you car about maybe a couple minutes for.
You know we talked about doing a whole lot all show long -- -- Canada so be ready from Canada I don't have a problem with the handed out.
A candidate doesn't exist and that.
Okay so John let me start let me start with you.
And let's start with Canada the Canadian health care -- and so tired of hearing because I grew up right across the border in Bellingham Washington.
I know the people they build most special part of the hospital just repeat all the people coming in across the border team to escape Canadian health care.
Tell me what you -- up in Canada.
What stuck most with me was the town that had a lottery so many people are waiting to get a family doctor they can't get one once a month the town clerk.
-- names out of a box of the calls the lucky winners congratulation.
You they have a family doctor write.
A bit -- Insurance.
Really is but I think the problem because it.
We have no restraint.
We have no restraint whatsoever.
What you can also got -- if you have if you have food insurance.
There's nothing but gore -- shops.
All we have is not really insurance.
What we have is prepaid and that's a very big difference if you haven't -- the people could get real.
Coverage -- -- were really covered if they lost a lot of money I have had a catastrophic event.
But still had.
Control over what they were paying them a smaller level at least someone -- who was consuming.
The the the service would have some control over the payment -- I think it's really far away from individuals it seems like a bad thing we'll I don't know.
If either one of you guys if if you've ever had this happen to you before but I know I said in a doctor.
Doctor's office and it'll say.
What kind of insurance you have it be -- for script to -- kind of insurance do you have a say you know whatever.
I think when I'm gonna give you this instead.
They they they made different choices based on.
If somebody else is paying for it and it if you're -- -- your fully insured you don't care.
As I don't set as if he had grocery insurance he wouldn't care in the grocery in this store and the incentives.
That creates this spend more.
Are just insane and that's the problem with -- health care and yet the politicians say.
The solutions -- with more insurance right and I think I don't know about you got bad treatment just.
Once again you're three put put all three of as -- -- -- libertarians.
It's like this is their convention.
People when you when when when we talk about -- -- Pollack on a happy -- more upstairs he's watching on all of this product.
And yeah yeah.
-- -- The thing about edited the other argument that people always have this woman what are you gonna do to fix it what are you can do to fix it first -- -- against people -- put people in charge of their own medical.
Care and then I also -- the attorneys because the other reason.
Why nobody seems to care if the doctor is under so much pressure to not get -- -- -- -- -- -- Absolutely every test because he doesn't want somebody to say what what did you do that test it's safer to do a thousand tests and somebody else -- -- so they do many more.
I don't know that capping is all that fair or that libertarian if somebody -- truly egregiously maybe a trial lawyer should punish the heck out of them -- -- have a loser pays absolutely okay how about that reduce the number of suits right if you if you have if you are putting it.
If the person that comes in brings this ridiculous lawsuit.
Loses they pay for I'm all for and then the parasite class can't just go suing everybody for bad reasons and they won their proven wrong they don't even at the sailors are so -- and how would you fix health care.
Well why don't think there's there's all this pretending.
That we're going towards socialized.
Madison we're not going towards that were already there and one of the problems is that people are pretty happy with Medicaid and Medicare.
Have I thought I think that.
Individuals having more choice and more control over what they do.
Here's a really good things I'm afraid that -- -- the really duck position.
I would like to get insurance away from.
The employers know why your boss -- Has to be in charge of your assurance it should be the individuals and travel with them and that was only -- -- as I understand it.
During World War II oh it was a work around them -- breezes to be able to give people more stuff.
Stop the employer from being in charge of that make -- individual your employer's bottom charge what you eat and eating is as important as medical care right.
Here's the deal in New York.
Because I'm of small business owner.
And I have twenty employees.
I can't go out and buy a be part of a plan in the entire country.
I can't get a big group plan by the government -- But they restrict insurance companies for putting a big huge group so it's costing an arm and leg and it's worse in New York.
Then I -- anyplace else.
And it's illegal for you to buy a policy in New Jersey say where they may I had a right you were stupid rules -- -- your policy costs more -- about a -- show a little bit of John shuttle's upcoming segment on health care.
In Canada and Great Britain watch this.
You want innovation and fast treatment that often comes from people pursuing profit.
And you see that in Canada.
Because even here there is one area where they do offer easy access to cutting edge technology.
CT scan endoscopy or cost if you lap Ross fifty arthroscopic procedures to evaluate joints for cartilage abnormality available all -- 24 hours seven days a week.
Patients rarely went.
It -- a C a patient that's carnac appreciate argument in that patients need we can generally have that patients scheduled within probably a week.
But -- to bar -- me now to get that kind of treatment.
Won a CT scan Canada -- it vet clinics say they can get a dog in the next day.
For people the waiting list is a month.
It's absolute I believe.
It let me ask you both this question in pen you said a minute ago.
You know health care went to the -- to the employers back in the 1940s I went back and I played on the radio show today.
A fireside chat by FDR where he talked about the second bill writes you -- familiar with his second bill of rights.
Yeah it's it's -- you guys are gonna play on television because there's there's video of it as well.
It's practically been erased from our history books.
He talked about there was a right to a job.
He actually wanted to change put this into the constitution right to a job a right to a house.
And a right to.
It was rejected.
But if you look at things.
He did put the beginnings of health care he did put the beginnings of you're never gonna have to worry about it was Social Security he did put the beginnings of -- right to a house right now about 60%.
Of houses are owned by Freddie and Fannie.
And -- and what does Obama do he -- by the way we'll just -- your house if you if you're gonna collapse if you're gonna lose -- you can rent from us.
My gosh our country is being transformed.
Into something that is nothing.
Like what our founding fathers laid out.
True or false.
Certainly going -- that correction I think today that.
Platform would win its people with sounds good yeah I have a right to a house I ever right to health care coverage -- -- Don't -- Oriental all we have to explain that the people that if you want good houses in good health care all the innovation comes from that evil capitalist I know.
-- -- okay movie but go ahead glad real -- I was gonna say but you're always talk about the ambitious people have the ones who want to work hard.
You should also stick up for the lazy people.
Capitalism allows people to do just enough to get by.
And not have government tell them what I could tell you shot that's also a reasonable life choice it is I have absolutely no problem there are people -- -- -- -- I of that you know that there are more beds.
In New York City than there are homeless people there are more beds in homeless places.
In New York City true or false -- -- I have no idea okay.
Not know she like you're like mr.
don't know everything I'm okay so -- yeah that'd.
They actually this city actually hires people to go out and and a lot of times they know these guys by name and they say please come into a shelter.
They choose not to.
That it America you should be able to do that but why is it that we had this nanny state and again it comes back from the progressive movement in the early twentieth century.
Where they talked about.
If you it eight you know I think it was HG wells who was a big progressive said the state has a right to humane league.
Put you down if you refuse to work or to conform to society.
This is craziness.
But I had to apologize to Rudy Giuliani because I attacked him for it is we got out.
Stop the squeegee men we gotta get these people off the streets I too felt if you -- -- sleep on the street were we to say you can't.
But he made New York a lot.
Work this -- hasn't played us a live EG you don't have a right to -- harass me.
And pound on my pin window and say come on pay me -- I thought a lot -- who didn't do that but bar.
-- -- also on our child or your but that was -- I do but also was not we're not sure that was Giuliani there's a lot of stuff from free economics from a lot of -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Yes I can't.
John we're starting with you okay minute on the clock go who's your dream third party candidate.
I am you are -- Penn Jillette spell a lot laissez Faire.
All in all -- -- I will not -- Is volatile.
Would you rather be the American idols are or America's Got Talent czar.
America's Got Talent czar Penn Jillette what government agency would you get rid of first.
-- security John Stossel would you rather see a doctor in the Dakotas on an Indian reservation.
Or in Canada.
Or in -- Yet no need to.
Pendulum -- naming China would -- easy what name your child yeah.
-- naming LAI.
That's easy baby naming your child I -- Is it a great tribute or dooming your child to obscurity.
I think you should -- only bad thing about -- your children.
I and thank you very much John thoughtful I appreciate it when -- special honor -- when's the a week from tomorrow Friday he's added a week from tomorrow on Friday -- tenure BS starts tonight.
Took while provided tab and we just a nominee for -- -- today so that's today that he'll actually Penn Jillette is BS never ends.
We'll see again that -- it.
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