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Todd as he agreed to see you again Jeremy Kaplan joining us for the first time on the show he's a science and technology editor for foxnews.com Gerri great to see you well thanks for having me on at last -- never -- I -- I guess that's yes.
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It would seem at least on the surface the word of a -- tablet we sort of got word of the staying in the days before the Apple Tablet.
Running a version of chrome OS.
Something something out there in the Easter effect take a look at this video which has been making its way around the web right now this is.
What it would look like running the chrome operating system perhaps a Google tablet who knows where this came from when he gets what's your take on this thing.
I think that video that there were looking that was posted by one of the people inside who that is designed -- has something do with chromium project re mistaken on that nodding your little book -- we're looking at here is it had to happen.
Apple had the iPad you knew who was gonna come back something they came back within for the -- -- a comeback with a tablet.
The question is of course the interface anybody can make -- device that size everybody at the same screen technology they don't have the patents that apple does.
But will they get the interface the iPad honestly I had -- -- winning here is that what people he is can look obviously welcome what's going well.
I'm -- just sit in the technologies that makes my arms translucent like an outside.
He he received little low marks.
Yeah you know I think before before the iPad.
You know there were there was a lot of speculation about what sort of magic carpet apple was going to release and now that.
Now that we know what it is it's a known quantity the industry has collectively exhaled and said okay.
Now we can evaluate this we can figure out what its strengths and vulnerabilities are and how we respond to that and I'm sure we'll see a number of products.
But use both chrome and an android.
That's competition for the iPad.
Yeah we saw at CES of course we saw a lot of different tablet devices running android we -- a lot of different.
What apple does so well -- what we saw with the iPad of course is that.
They didn't just state.
OS-X on this device -- -- just stick android on this device.
They build a version of an out of their mobile platform.
To specifically scale for the -- paso applications will be -- specifically for that nine point seven inch screen right.
Yeah absolutely yeah I think that was very Smart they were able to leverage all their existing apps but.
It's gonna get even more exciting when we start seeing developers develop.
IPad specific apps right.
But what do we make -- -- though is this thing going to be a Google proprietary.
Piece of hardware do you think I mean we saw this one with a Nexus One -- father really in the hardware business with the phone.
Certainly Google found tablet business I think with the whole tablet market there's just so many unknowns at presently especially starting the apple iPad like.
You saw it for twenty minutes I haven't even spent twenty minutes with the darn thing.
And nobody actually done it pared down on open it up -- with power and -- what makes it tick there's just so many unknowns behind this and now we had a school one which is.
Who is the mock up it almost seems like this wide open space to me was -- -- -- sort of -- doing Indians their foot in the door here you know what I mean or he's gonna really be successful is the bigger question I've got enough gadgets and carrier on a daily basis don't want.
Something else that to me that was the one big question and for all these things -- don't feel it it's really been answered that.
I think the Nexus One was very much you have distribution play you know let's try the model of -- picking the hardware first inflicting your carrier second.
As we've had in Europe for many years now there -- some obstacles to doing that in the US that.
Made me become easier to overcome over time but.
Android devices have that legacy of the Smartphone market it's a known market it's a very high volume market.
The -- market of the tablet market is more speculative apple is going to need to do much.
Much -- I have to do a much a strong initiative in categories.
Creation they have they can't fall back on sort of the iPod or.
Or Smartphone legacy that they've had in their hand held products so.
You know two.
Two to the point it's going to.
Require much more involvement by third -- developers to define the identity.
What this product isn't as capable of.
I think it's going to be a while before we see exactly what these devices will be used for I think one of the big determining factors is going to be the keyboard.
Do we finally get rid of the keyboard as an input -- the main input method.
If that does happen in the way that works well you can pull one of these up and actually -- on it works well for -- I think we may see that transition -- -- you can -- you can have a nine inch iPad you have a twelve inch tablet as long -- you had -- input functionality.
Then you've got a long long way that I think it's going to be a while you honestly I mean there's no way the world we're getting rid of the keyboard not any time soon I don't think it -- technology glad now where when you touch the touch screen and actually.
Well slider but that part on the -- isn't some kind of -- thing puts above others simply with some.
Rumors there's some speculation that we would in fact see that with the iPad I mean you know in the -- can ride the storm right before that the right on the storm.
The -- -- of course the haptic response but Adam you know -- to remove a keyboard from the equation I think apple did a great job and correct me if I'm already one of the things that they did.
Then I hate using this cliche the sort of paradigm shift which was explaining to us.
You don't think -- community were sort of thinking I'll -- it doesn't have this it doesn't have that but really if this device is for your mom to be able sit on the couch.
Do we need a full keyboard and that's where apple try to explain to us where this category is right.
Right -- they talked about that a lot and I think a couple people on the panel are you mentioned I think what's gonna get really interesting is.
Where developers take this I've talked about it a little bit on my -- -- sort of like we're gonna see some amazing -- come out of this.
In terms of how different industries and different -- and users are using it.
And when it comes to the keyboard -- yet keyboards going to be important for some applications like doing email or surfing the web but we're also gonna see some I think innovative new ways of interacting with -- -- operating system that don't love the keyboard.
We'll -- apple did our -- at -- did a great job of that already with the iPhone and the iPod Touch we've seen some very interesting things specifically around games and other types of applications.
We'll get specific because in your friends with the guys over -- on the group to right.
I think fans -- 1010 case -- -- thing is somebody I know I.
Yeah but I mean I -- I know what they're they're doing they're really excited about the iPad and they're looking at it they're looking at doing some pretty dramatic things with some other apps and they're not just putting them over.
I don't know if you've spoken -- recently but what's your sense from the developers you've spoken to.
That there may be sort of a sea change here.
Yeah I think a lot of developers are really excited about the new form factor and what they might be able to do with the application on the -- a great example then they came -- basically last week and said.
We're gonna redevelop all of our new applications for this new platform.
And I'm I'm hoping to top topic can at MacWorld next.
Did you mean guys guys -- go through Saturday do we expect to see at MacWorld obviously -- keynote there this year from from apple but do we expect to see at MacWorld sort of a lot of developers saying.
We're excited about this we're gonna really -- to this platform or is it one of those things where there.
I think what you're gonna see is an awful lot of announcements this could be a ton of talk about I'm planning on doing this.
But you know the point that it would kind of -- to me is.
There weren't an awful lot of very instinct demonstrations during Steve's keynote.
Ran and I don't know if that was just to secrecy thing they didn't wanna tell anybody before and there'll obviously there -- Now whenever you talk a newspaper and magazines which felt like they got short shrift in or at least we thought we would see more and there just wasn't there wouldn't want period frankly I mean it when during the last iPhone -- -- -- whole what you talk about peripherals and some people came -- they had.
Very intriguing design for new ways they can interact with the phone -- the blood pressure cuff I think I think I remember it right glucose mean could we finally saw it and we finally saw that adds.
This year at CES split it -- you know like oh well over a year to start to begin to see these peripheral and maybe maybe they were just to this point saying here it is and go out and and do stuff with it but I think would -- -- a lot more dramatic -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- well here is.
-- -- two things that's would have with the iPhone the iPhone was introduced in 2007 it was a platform and still people really understood what was going on with the App Store -- a gets a cool looking phone.
All that new interface great and it collapsed or you know people start realize what you can do with this device.
In your pocket it took a while I think the same things happen with the iPad.
People are saying okay is this just a big iPhone.
If I can already do this my pocket what is that extra screen giving me at this point it's up the developers to come up with something that could make that screen something you know I got half.
Movie the FDK was released on the day you know that that the product was was introduced so hasn't been out there that long -- I think even.
There's -- -- usage today as maybe I'll just throw out a number 50% content consumption.
That Smartphone usage today is about 90% content consumption.
Maybe this is somewhere in the 75 or 80% content consumption and there's just more opportunity to.
-- creative or productive what what this kind of brought it.
If that's the case I would think that Steve -- Brought two or three major content.
Creators in when -- -- the vigilance your one official the Russians the -- had a lot of hard work there was a rumor -- I -- on the web last night and you're Steve.
Jobs showed up for dinner here New York City.
-- New York time I was not talk about it unite the that -- We -- I was called grow its seaweed salad last night to even those billions beat him not know yet fact I want it really -- go diving to that but.
Since it was brought up I ran into him yesterday when I came to work.
It's not everyday you brother Steve Jobs and you walk in the office -- let's look at apple.
Perhaps that's what he had.
That's one obvious place I guess -- on the storm not the Starbucks down the street he was carrying that you'll Packard computer right yeah.
Amazingly he's carrying the Microsoft courier was.
Wednesday showed up more than former -- innovator in a bit after.
He got more to work than just the Kindle app bright idea -- -- Scenario rented it to Steve Jobs yesterday when -- came to work you know and and then of course the -- sort -- coming out as to why he was here immediately wanted to know is he doing a show here is he doing -- -- you know.
He's not and also -- somebody else happen to be here we also know that there are some publishing houses near here there's a guy named Rupert who happen to be here the second time that happened to be some other.
News coming out of all this a number of outlets have reported that there was that the media dinner last night here in New York City as well as.
A number of points where he popped up here on the third -- to -- with some Wall Street Journal folks showing off the iPad to the journal folks.
That apparently met with some folks in the New York Times.
And all these publishing houses -- right here so.
Let's throw it out there -- I'll let you roll the dice but what do you think what do you think -- -- things going on here.
I think obviously media is a big play for that for the iPad I mean books and textbooks and -- and magazines and newspapers I would agree with the rest of the panel to I was hoping to see a lot more.
Around the magazine in the newspaper format and I was hoping that some of the you know be demonstrated that way they showed the New York Times app which it was basically just an app.
Yeah that's it it's true it's it was an app that they only two weeks to work on -- course I'm not surprised at all on the book front right the -- front which is.
So I say just before I'll say it again I think it said it to you -- -- -- can re not really sure but.
Yes it -- yet to come to one day you're gonna actually.
We've got two weeks go to a publisher harpercollins and say or whomever and since each time she should say hey.
-- -- in two weeks have Malcolm -- we'll turn on a book.
And -- Creates a rich media content two weeks so we can show off the -- -- the video the graphs and stuff I -- -- what America might be able to -- yet been put to -- for -- -- -- -- her -- -- and they -- and who called it.
You know and -- think of what this new way -- actually publishing books it's like.
Now we see the device to your point time.
Now we see the device now publishers take you figure out what you -- -- do with it and that's been the evolution of the iPhone right.
And will they take will they take reading the next level and had this conversation with my parents what other people -- say.
We get it about reading things on what we'd like to get to believe like that tactile feel holding the book and is that we've all heard this before the can they make this experience compelling enough maybe not the first generation the second and turn this into the de facto way we -- content.
Simply turning the page on the book if that resonates -- people enough to -- grass and say.
I'm ready to put on my physical newspaper.
And that our newspapers hit it if Steve's able to.
Cut deals with the Wall Street Journal in the -- times -- our newspapers can start pricing they're delivering their their fiscal subscriptions and sky high.
Make the online subscription very reasonable get more more people using the online version of -- that.
-- -- one -- -- we saw this -- -- disinterested with the pricing of course the pricing war with Amazon we saw a number of publishers pulling their books saying look you know.
Puts it we're tired of that now and now they're out of there and in and really interest in bargaining position.
Because now they're able to say to Amazon.
We're gonna go the iPad.
Cameron you know get what we want 1499 gives them more leverage it was brilliant the way -- -- Steve seems to have done it because he sort of force the right recording -- -- 99 cents a song.
Now he's able to force sort of like reverse forcing -- by allowing a slightly higher priced easy forces Amazon's hand.
-- to compete at large with Barnes & Noble these other companies in here.
Here's another thing that I've been thinking about what this in addition to pricing is apple gonna make this -- closed ecosystem completely is there with us completely closed meeting.
Can you -- -- somewhere in the news about another device I mean look when school's done and one of the things that keep putting up -- -- Schmitz interview he talks about how.
If you get in with Google -- use Google for everything -- in -- -- your mail we have a button here you can push that and get out all your data is ready to go it goes right anything you want.
-- won't that bring more people this ecosystem of apple says we've got the best reading device that's why you should use us.
If you don't like -- you can take things to purchase and use some of this other system the way Google does it makes people much more comfortable out diving instead of -- -- -- -- -- -- Because I guess what I can export is still haven't I don't have to -- roach motel exactly and that's the power of the pub format right -- -- Broadly compatible -- like Amazon's book or book format which is a -- because -- At what's your take on -- do you think we're gonna see an ecosystem here with the -- with iBooks.
I -- very mention the pub format is an open format so assuming there and in that format.
You should be able to take them now DRM comes and threw it right yeah and this is -- publisher thing.
Apple needs to do deals with publishers and it's probably going to be a little bit an uphill battle like they had with the music industry to get the DRM -- -- there.
I don't think they want the DR amount of you don't competitive they don't you know well -- but then again there have been reports that.
-- even though apple is using -- club that hits it will be using different ERM and you won't be able to take books.
-- or -- on the iPad father.
Other platforms or at least not apple platforms those those have been the reports.
You know -- -- but.
You know -- in this case is.
Relatively benign and and should just enable you to use a solemn honor the device that uses the -- for most -- President just because the book reading experience is so limited in the digital book reading experience -- and it was the same way when.
We first started using it.
But then as soon as we had these.
Things these bridges that connect to stereo system your computer and ends of the four between players and they've got friends that an MP3 players on the there was -- pushed it to strip the DRM off.
I mean you could you potentially envision a future where there's six.
Different you -- your house I don't go to rat -- here but this raises a larger question of can apple continue to control the experience and he does this and the way they have in the past.
By having superior products the Windows 7 comes along people say OK when the civet -- look a little bit to -- it's better stuff we better.
In the end though apple is kind of doing with this -- they close it down the way Microsoft has been operating officer all that which is closed keep everybody locked in word format.
Can apple continue to do that will they stay far enough ahead on the -- -- people are willing to stay in that ecosystem.
Or people like -- -- the catch up just enough that people billion a month.
I'd love apple stuff but I don't really get to -- it with these guys they don't have to get locked in you can forget.
I don't know we're certainly see some fracturing -- certainly in the app approval process about some of the redundancy in some of the things that apple sort of said before we wouldn't see.
-- -- in the App Store we're starting to see some leniency opening in which an NC with all the blowback that they got.
And you know in the iTunes experience of course apple has that.
Audio books that are completely done by audible so they allow these other formats and their only owned by Amazon after us exactly where so will we see you know -- Amazon -- bookstore.
Partner into and why not they have already you know -- aren't allowed the Kindle app yet again Amazon doesn't care about selling hardware although they're acting like it.
And that's what sort of weird they're starting to act like is certainly with the purchase of touch co.
Which is a touch screen company a small company that suddenly out of the blue stopped doing business.
I was -- -- really get to -- we'll talk about it now that they just sort of out of the blue.
They -- say we're going to be doing business anymore.
The New York Times reporting that it looks like they've been ruled in an Amazon took took them over.
So a touch a touch Kindle.
This is what does this mean do we care.
Let's play one and one of the things the iPad is brought to -- -- something that we've seen in our research which is.
Consumers are interested in in reading content and other than books on on dedicated devices Amazon.
Isn't just a book store their music store their video store and read if they want to create the same kinds of ties with content that they have with Kendall.
Then they need to explore other display technologies before you go on to our before we move away from you tell us about the NPD's numbers this week -- you guys released.
Early adopters of of -- readers that looks like their expectations have been set.
One of the things we found is that 60% of of owners of these devices.
Have not used any of the supplemental features of them they're not accessing the Internet they're not playing music they're really using them.
As a fixed purpose.
To the device.
And it's really not too surprising because.
A lot of the early adopters of these products for avid readers they were looking for portability.
They were sold on the superior.
Qualities of that.
I -- him so when my condolences the son of -- -- yesterday every -- my hand someone might Kindle the first thing they do.
There's a touch the screen and they want -- -- wanna -- -- wanna move that paid by touching the screen -- at the -- immunity smudge marks off my screen because our associate while Sony is Sony has had touch screen.
LCD screen at the bottom Adam is.
Don't throw this out to Adam is this natural progression a natural evolution of this product.
This battle in the -- one for me because I don't know anybody who I talked you have the Kendall who says.
I want it to be -- touch -- -- I wish it was a touch screen.
Let me get this weird phenomenon that apple comes out and says here's a touch screen and we thought that's what the iPhone to federally every Smartphone had to -- touch screen phone.
-- -- -- -- -- Yeah it's weird to me because apple has such a small market share in a lot of these markets in terms of percentage but then everybody wants to follow them.
It's a great point is this is a knee jerk reaction I mean people -- to Ross this point and and he's numbers didn't you know -- this.
He -- it you know they wanna be able to read on it they would have been redone it and I mention that little bit before the show you're talking I've noticed that I would -- the older generation late baby boomers and all that I've spoken with about the Kindle.
Think have a very different take than the young generation they like being able to carry the books -- -- just watery.
The monochrome screen is fine if it's like reading the -- all right here it is my -- it's convenient I can take it everywhere I go.
They are asking for more and they are -- totally happy with that by one's spouse won't pay and they use it that way I think it's the younger generation -- used to growing up with -- weapon used to seeing colors emotional it's going Portland that doesn't -- O meter reader in an iPad.
In a phone.
In the last couple -- throats and just wildly -- speculation here let's say that.
I think your editor -- that the younger generation is probably more incident more visual experiences color whatnot.
Let's say that your generation start buying things in droves and really gets used to -- reading everything on on this LCD screens color LCD screen.
And then thirty years from now however has really crummy eyesight Verizon won't want to look at the first public it'll -- screen -- So -- -- happy with -- and I -- that's not a lot of nothing.
You know decision there are other display technologies emerging to.
Some of them don't require to be backlit there's little lead there is the -- assault -- -- -- anywhere -- So you know they're going to be many choices coming up tomorrow so likely we're gonna see in the future the near future generation and I got the -- -- people to basically tell me that yes we will see the Kindle with that sort of -- later this year so we'll see some sort of a beautiful color display with.
Whatever technology near salt displays using which is using Indian licenses was it it was -- ends noon CNN and unions the word.
-- -- you don't pull some ambient light which then -- Is able to reduce power so that they can get project about three weeks on a battery charge plus a touch screen display.
So maybe if these people who are also blind when their older the data from their iPods -- what they've gotten her putts didn't do so in thirty years old Jenny Harrison or -- illegal -- -- thirty years the three beautifully stable or -- -- batteries in the metro accident -- at his -- telepathy.
We -- seeing the end of February the -- tablet.
-- and I love -- I love the tactic that fusion garage since the maker of the -- contemplative.
And here and -- again I love that Webb city -- did you view I guess it's huge you know -- -- the future though juju dot com that's right that images that they're using our.
-- -- -- The images of avatar.
The featured in in their -- -- -- display which is I find funny to wait till James -- about that.
But breezy that ship finally at the end of February and they.
Part of their marketing campaign in marketing push at least in social media sphere is we've got flash baby.
Flash is coming -- did you did you at the end of February on a tablet.
Let me tell you I'm so fed up with flash yeah I just feel -- lost premiere the other night when exactly I watched -- -- after my laptop B seventeen inch RG BL ED -- I'm running the -- flash posting accelerator hardware accelerated.
It does blossoms like stuttering is addicted to it I couldn't watch -- I had to downgrade from older version of flash didn't get lost to play probably -- a fast dual core processor machine.
Driving me nuts I think -- I've reached him -- five and less Adobe.
They'll be Smart people that -- Photoshop definitely part of why can't they make flash work better I don't get it after all these years why does it work better.
I know it's -- -- -- what does -- say this week at least it was rumored -- speculated he said at that town hall meeting.
Yeah flag on Adobe.
I don't remember this is a big quote that and I don't want to misquote event.
You know I'm I'm of the same opinion I had a lot of issues with flash a lot of my audience -- it had issues with flash and just terms that.
Performance -- -- just have to imagine that it's it's one of the things flash has been around for a long time so I imagine a lot of legacy code.
It's sort of like Photoshop -- why don't we have 64 bit Photoshop on the Mac and I think because they have to spend a lot of time and resources.
Re writing that stuff -- and I don't know but dead the winds of change are coming in the united switched over to you -- him a five.
My eight Danielle as well as my -- YouTube.
So I'm playing around with that and it it seems to be working pretty well it's it's early technology but they and I don't think it's gonna replace flash.
Very quickly but it certainly is coming.
Ross and it doesn't seem me.
We need these sort of this -- like this in the web all the time right can technology and so.
Give one get all -- sometimes takes one company say you know or don't flash for people say hi I see the value and html five -- moving that way.
Lot of companies are moving away Hulu is there's going to be moving that way well.
You know this is the last plugin you know talk like yeah the last star fighter and -- that -- through the last one -- but that's used on on a regular basis and I think what -- trying to do.
Is two and Enron are around apple not only by.
Getting flash on virtually every other Smartphone platform but but even into many televisions.
It's already you know flashlight -- already been on many.
Feature phones and I think it sort of counting heavily on on Google for example to supported and android they show that in a video but at the end of the day you know you have to think Google is much stronger supporter of html five and I'm an open web stand.
It's that it's not our work if this is like Microsoft saying that old Windows Mobile.
Was great on a Smartphone just because it was trying to copy windows of the menus and everything I read that -- was there are running Adobe.
I would say OK we're going nation off by the world -- Apple's going to who's going there.
Google's going there.
Let's continue to support flash let's innovate -- -- -- -- also transition over Kindle fire in a product we control and give somebody a fantastic each Kindle fire experience.
Because of they're gonna hold on minister the last second -- -- there's -- behind closed doors and all the songs which is gonna flip eventually we'll consumers and companies.
And we left pulling the plug ability to be behind the scenes and at times -- an -- I I think I think the challenge for them is that they now have a developer community and it's day.
-- flash and then -- to support it then there essentially abandoning that developer community and -- never come back to Adobe if they -- needs them.
Yeah I'm not so terribly shaken up about flash I I just feel badly though for all of the people out there all the restaurants.
Who built their entire sites around flashing.
I I've said this for years it's driven you nuts when I've met with people who -- we've got a website.
It drives me nuts that on certain browsers and it causes it to -- you can't access it -- I can't look at certain things restaurants build their web sites.
Around flash and so you have what this beautiful classical music blaring and you have the menu spilling out and if it's a crab -- give a crap crawling across the screen.
Thought so you know and you can get access that stuff so that legacy those legacies of the people who haven't touched a web sites in years.
The mom and pop flower shops are going to be upset because they're moving away from flash.
And increasingly I mean.
That the one of the more basic problems there's no 64 bit windows version flush right right exactly what the haven't a couple of my language but -- -- strategy into it you increasingly cup manufacturers are selling 64 bit computers and if you go to target -- -- wherever you go by computer -- did you get that yeah and the -- was a second mother second biggest complaint about flash other than its body is performance performance like that -- come out and say.
OK we got -- -- -- people are getting upset with -- -- only support.
People that hardware acceleration for for most any new computer the last two to three years has some hardware acceleration for you -- 64 and say.
Baseline got to have hardware acceleration given the performance problems start at least -- give -- more life.
They've got they've got a ways to go to keep this going because it's I think enough people start to use it and try to get fined -- it's crashing enough don't troll I've been using lol yeah.
Since it was released the latest version if it flies that particular studies flash -- that one out of 500 crashes.
-- browser and you know -- it as a result of which data need to speak to this a little more and I can't of course but Google being developed chrome and certainly safari so that if if flash crashes which is the main reason the browsers crash you're still save you could still access your other pages right.
Right that's what in the new features -- safari and snow leopard you know it was that the plug ins won't take down the whole lap.
Yeah and in chrome to -- you're able to pull out the different pages and remove the different pages but one of the main reasons that browsing the crashing his as a result of the result of -- Here's a little video of the juju and down.
Here's a fusion garage -- rock the -- not talking about it.
Take a listen to some of it as he explains -- sort of walks us through some of the interface won't come back -- -- out of this after a few seconds.
And he's he's he's pretty safe this then just -- to -- bad.
And that's completely confident with the traditional physical violence so that went for the demise would threaten me.
Wrong do the problem and the browser yes you if you know it -- of the functionality but the US completely different.
You basically have sharp cuts and -- categories you have what we -- connect category.
Where you can go to put people feel that are gonna find that Hulu YouTube -- laughter.
-- needs judo and education to you -- -- previously did -- -- this compares the iPhone is anything like you can have.
Occurrences -- in light of the notification on this menu.
Yes I think so website developers using the eight -- constructive will be announcing that will be able to extend functional -- to get out of -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- You could get nervous like I -- confidence all -- -- you Obama.
Which opens up and you can have whatever you want from it destroyed.
This past the screening is this -- -- position yet.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- We're watching that talk about -- -- the cost so price tag for 99 for this thing.
Seems incredibly limited now we watch this and -- -- big marketing push is flash.
As it relates to the iPad.
I don't see anybody run this -- the big -- on the tech front of -- talking about this before who was gonna buy this thing except my opinion techcrunch readers.
-- -- -- Get the iPad comes out of fourteen -- this truly hits the market for 99 the average consumer knows everything about apple we see apple -- -- -- and everybody knows what apple has.
Nobody -- the tech community -- witnesses that you think if you're watching that on your son's been partnered up with something for yourself you're fairly easy to use computers you're not gonna -- the -- right everybody knows -- -- -- great things he does apply Adams is that you anything that the iPad -- other than flash.
Any reason to buy this thing.
I don't know I think it probably third.
You different markets I mean Apple's device is going to be an apple consumer product whereas I think that like he said.
Audience for did you -- you is that.
Techcrunch people of that guys who really want to hack -- -- -- -- and had to do everything they wanted to do they want to.
White -- -- father then put their own custom build of some Linux variation itself.
I think it's really two different market.
Scott have battery life of the yes.
You have the -- the iPad two I just yet.
And you know little worried about fusion garage being around us over to support community you know I can call apple care.
Get him get things taken care of community.
Calling rocket Crist not there was this person is like twelve guys and Colin Porter took -- day and I'm putting us all copies of the -- plus workers have already added I mean most people that -- -- that they -- what what do I do that this body check Google even had this problem with the rollout of the Nexus One not a -- official call center setup there was sort of funneling things back go to T-Mobile T-Mobile sequencing called and we don't know who -- I haven't thought through -- call and their Google and they're -- they're -- yeah exactly so that's a good point out let's talk about the Nexus One that's another big story this week AT&T.
Getting the Nexus One.
Or who cares.
The yet both -- and also multi touch down on the Nexus One finally.
Felt this was -- course -- a question from Google it first -- in the -- not launch with multi touch and of course if you believe Google and you believe they were saying which is a -- it was a design -- we didn't feel that most people wanted to do things with two hands.
They don't wanna have to use two -- -- one hand and -- you pinch to zoom on the actual device.
Most people wanted to -- it with one hand they're doing most things with the thumb and that that.
That is what they said.
Through their research they found to get by that well.
It's interesting take here on the in gadget show couple weeks ago -- was interviewing error thing that project manager product manager for the Nexus One right.
And heat they got into the multi touch thing -- for android for android and he said he said.
-- closely as we have multi touch it's completely capable phones bring the operating system can detect multiple points.
What should I -- -- -- that -- -- -- the iPhone maps photos and all that he said we have not implemented pinch to zoom as a function of all if you try to define what multi touch is right.
And then he said and then they -- cable wide open to -- and then he kind of got quiet about it if you believe the rumors the one that I think was probably is that.
Apple and do what had a gentleman's agreement behind the scenes because their patents on multi touch for -- week.
-- exhibited believe that because Erik -- even address that you know the sort of idea that this is back -- deal right so now apple work this out with Google said you know.
You keep this week -- -- agreement which.
Apple and it really technically -- anyway.
And they try to patent it wasn't like Nokia actually have a there's some -- hundred your patent goes back who knows who actually own multi touch you're shaking your head honestly think I I don't.
Believe it's the gentleman's agreement you know what.
What what apple really gain from such agreement when Palmer and you know all these other handset makers are are implementing.
The -- -- Just they would just be handicapping one competitor and other competitors would gain expensive of that plus I've ever really like but -- -- Microsoft.
The competition but increasingly it's apple vs Google will -- -- -- a gentleman's agreement we have with the main competitor you like big conspiracy theory about this was -- literally 48 hours after Steve Jobs was reportedly -- -- -- Google in the internal company meeting.
Google labels pieces of the nexus what it was like a quid pro because as soon as I got out the news -- -- what is -- Pinch to zoom right away sort of like way two and two equals four here broader question though about Nexus One and apple -- mean.
School in the in jobs supposedly set in that same meeting you know we're working for us we're gonna out innovate we're gonna say so far ahead of who we're going to be more frequent updates on the iPhone.
We're gonna they're not really keep up and -- Now that most -- -- multi touch will have multi touch and we've got this graphical interface apple actually -- in 2007 not part.
Is -- -- -- more typical for apple to keep up that far ahead of the pack is Google going to be coming up with more more innovative things you the right behind them in some cases ahead of them.
It's apple going to be playing catch up we -- again there.
Well the apple has an inherent advantage in that they're vertically integrated you know just -- -- is rim has been just as palm as they control the hardware the software.
And even out of the chip.
Four there -- other portable platform so.
You know the Google I think it's -- a good job of android but it's it's very difficult.
To compete on user experience when your licensing to a broad range of handset makers as opposed to when you're controlling -- whole stack and you know that's that essentially mirrors what we've seen.
Between the Mac and windows for for decades.
So now -- people can use -- unlocked Nexus One on AT&T'S network.
There's AT&T needs more people using their data.
Compare that at that at the end of which fell -- -- yeah what's your take on the Nexus One.
First of all the multi touch and AT&T.
-- I think the Nexus One has a great device I know a lot of people who really really like -- and again I kind of agree with -- I think we're looking at different markets.
The one thing about the generate operating system is -- open and it's on a bunch of different platforms that I have set it on my show I don't think there's any doubt that probably over the next year.
Android is going to be a dominant operating system on Smartphones.
The differences is that each one of these phones will be slightly tweaked.
To work for the handset manufacture and in different ways that you can't just easily move from one to the other.
If I pick up an iPhone -- an iPod Touch and I'm already an iPhone user I know exactly how to use it.
Same thing on the iPad killer and they pointed -- that that -- the keynote.
So is the real -- competition and four.
We've spent on February in terms of licensing opportunities -- this.
Obviously what I was Symbian what you get -- -- what is Windows Mobile competition for anybody -- right.
Well I mean -- but if Windows Mobile seven is as compelling as we hear it's going to be and we hear from wind and Microsoft that they are excited about this.
Instead you can be you know compelling way but look good to be fair.
But we've all played with the HD to write and have we all flew over to the voices skepticism again I'm a big -- out there and I'll probably -- -- -- I'm trying to be very optimistic for Cyprus I bought a Windows Mobile phone.
OK I would I sit on this.
It's going to integrate wrong beautifully with the it seemed like a great idea at the time because you thought it was as soon.
I think that that was an annual rate with -- -- life experience and it was gonna have this full body would do everything here everything it doesn't do.
A single thing in any sort of unique OK I don't like the only Windows Mobile seven can possibly do to atoms are added you can -- this back up.
Do you mean it in this idea that because there it's ubiquitous and we're seeing android and all these different phones.
Went hardware manufacturer gets their hands -- like HTC got their hands on Windows Mobile six point five I was able to steer it such a beautiful way on the HD two.
It you know there's no real standard for hardware so all of these developers -- -- their -- in a different way and it seems like.
Android perhaps is a victim of its own success which is is which is its openness that it's also created a bit of a mess for itself.
Yeah that that's kind of the point I'm trying to make I don't know I'd call it unless I mean you're gonna have these great experiences on a given advice then if you Q is that device -- that ecosystem to work in.
You that you might be okay -- -- and seeing different HTC phones running android that are slightly different so they're from the same manufacturer running the same operating system but they're really different experiences.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I don't know if it's a massive look at this -- -- picking up momentum.
In the US we saw it.
Make huge market share gains in in Q4.
What the Motorola Droid and the support that.
The Verizon put behind that device and I think it's a testament that android that.
You know that that phone was able to deliver.
-- user experience that was received so much better than the storm.
That Verizon got behind last year people are buying android devices because.
You know they would they want phones from a variety of manufacturers and offer better Smartphone experience than we had under windows.
Mobile how does another hardware manufacturers who compete with Google putting their name and an HTC phone -- and putting it on google.com as an advertising.
Market -- -- Right right now that's not a big threat you know I mean online sales of of phones are very small percentage of the market.
Carriers really dominate.
Cellphone industry have you it's always going to be who fought and I'd -- To me then the next one of the first phone and I -- that I thought made my iPhone looks Lola Bolden.
And I love the Nexus One and and people -- you always acted who phone we know it as the Google phone they don't even notice the Nexus One they -- the Google phone.
I think the challenge though it it really comes of a marketing thing in the same way that apple really took over the MP3 players -- I thought it's just sort of the de facto it the -- it is arguably a much better product.
And -- never succeed in that -- well these from the people who really talking about here is failure Microsoft's imagination.
Right I mean we're we're talking about like what you're talking about with Windows Mobile.
It's just a failure of having all of these different things and having them work together -- one cohesive way and I think I think it's just it really becomes a marketing thing because apple came up first and did such -- has hit out of the park with the iPhone.
It they really just gained.
Market -- and mentality and if you're going to the store looking for a Smartphone is one thing in your mind right now -- that you might be thinking what the school with things well but.
There's the iPhone it's really hard to overcome that.
The years of being ahead in that market which is why they cannot -- -- at long last have been trying to get their foot in the door -- here it is we've done this where their first.
Build up that that -- Are we seeing the beginning of segmented markets like we did and web email space Hotmail Yahoo!.
Gmail if you look at the demographics behind that Gmail has a very specific demographic Hotmail had a very specific demographic -- that was kind of what the average user someone who wasn't that technical team that was more -- -- I don't see and hear what people that are in technology.
Are we -- with the -- apple seems to have like the broad consumer reach and it does things like.
Video multimedia very well in school to get more of the highly technical.
Slice of the market and there's going to be all these other iterations of Windows Mobile and maybe persons they -- that -- carrier specific that people walking for the ball by the state you know -- -- that -- segmentation.
But -- about Microsoft here because an interesting piece this week and it sort of it was one of the best pieces I've written a long time by Dick -- Who.
It was a former Microsoft employee for those of you don't know and he had -- New York Times and it's an op Ed about.
Arguing that Microsoft's better days are behind and that it's become this clumsy uncompetitive.
And he uses a lot of examples of course from his tenure there to explain sort of outline.
This idea and I thought John Gruber had an interest in take on this and he said.
One of that one of the explanations he gave a Microsoft was somebody in some department.
Just decreed by fiat.
You don't want her to kill this particular product I don't think I don't have an idea side silo mentality -- silo mentality and instead of having Bill Gates say or someone say with an overarching vision for the company to say does that really work with -- -- overall product line.
We're gonna kill it.
So he threw out there that imagine apple doing that someone saying I work doesn't really fit -- so we're -- -- Well that that that is exactly the contrast I thought about when I read that that op Ed piece.
I remember when Steve Jobs talked about I work on the iPad and how he went to the I -- team and think that you know can you did this war pitted -- At caveats was not well hey I'm not taken my -- you know eighty dollar product and offered it for thirty dollars.
Hopefully that's gonna compete with the with the Mac you know.
-- -- -- -- So so that was really the contrast of that came to mind when I read.
Dick -- piece at a whatever -- what did you think of the Microsoft opted by Dick brass.
You know I I read -- -- I'm gonna come probably come -- up like an apple fan boys they had you know I don't I don't remember when Microsoft was really innovative and let you go back to when they were you know making windows but aren't you -- Office.
Back in the day I mean they seem to have always been a follower but then they come in and they -- -- market -- you look at something like -- they were very late to the browser space.
But they can come in and totally -- dominated.
-- and Microsoft responded time which I thought was.
It made no sense to me they responded.
And didn't even address.
What he was talking about so why didn't respond -- I think they did a bit they talked about clear type.
They talk about how clear type has now shipped on every PC they talked about a lot of the innovations in the -- box I was the first HD.
Console I was.
The first one to distribute contents digital it didn't talk -- -- they didn't address the problem well actually I think it ended up right there telling about the symptoms might not right now he's played stones that guy he's claiming Microsoft is ruled by this problem with like.
Soft reminds me it's almost identically to where IBM was through the 1980s and early 1990s they were under John acres in the eighties and early next and they had this NASA transition -- -- what happened with.
IBM had a world class and still does research lab.
Fantastic stuff going behind the scenes never made it to market because.
-- -- -- for the executive management.
Didn't know how to work within the engineering -- to bring us markets and as -- -- comes in just that we get things like the little track -- Thinkpads the red not.
All that stuff -- sitting in that even apple went and and hooks over the technology for the -- from idea because they didn't know what to do with -- to do it in Microsoft in the same position they supposedly have fantastic research labs.
Doing really cool stuff behind the scenes but it never seems to see the light of day it seems like they need some form of minute -- -- step in here to say.
What's going to see what these guys doing and figure out how to market.
Stuff and make the product that people buy I think that's their salvation is not to be trying to get people locked into office for the next ten years and -- it's going to be.
What can we do better than other people -- doing pushing out the door and got the money to do it.
-- I think a lot of the challenge facing them is that.
Here now we have the whole open source community and it's kind of a lot of the world's developers essentially competing.
Dan Simon and open sources is doing to Microsoft now what Microsoft -- apple in the -- in the eighties.
I think Microsoft also challenge because that apple has this one clear face and so we will we try to think of Microsoft the same way -- -- has Steve Jobs.
Microsoft will it sort of has this Bill Gates -- not really anymore but we we think of them as being this one.
Organization but really Microsoft -- pulled an 8000 different directions meaning they.
Make the computers -- cause news.
You've got -- -- apple here.
You know what 80% 90% of the world -- those who uses Microsoft computers and with full security flaw issue they've got going on with the entertainment division over here.
They've got this -- division over here it's just such a gigantic company via the written did they are cast they are.
Hard pressed to innovate at this point because it's such it gigantic failure to Steve -- and.
I've Apple's not a small company either Apple's a fifty billion dollar company -- and Microsoft but I went -- small but they're not on the same scale.
But I know if I get your point in my point that I had is when I call Microsoft too.
Needed -- -- -- featured the tallest thing and show our allies do something -- One half simply does not know the other half is even talking.
Do literally don't even know that I've spoken of that division that I've done this or done that -- apple may not gonna call.
Competitor as a funnel -- you know -- everything goes to that fall Microsoft.
-- you work but follow my colleagues back on that project because you know those divisions aren't even talking.
You know that the Xbox community is not talking with the Zune community when all of us who wondered why this not this integration across this beautifully -- a piece of hardware.
-- not -- -- phone why does not integrate with -- why you still churning out Windows Mobile.
And this experience is more and ultimately you could argue that Microsoft is just too big for its own good.
It's just the sheer size of the company has made it a very look at the challenge that the big challenge for Clinton to do in -- -- -- -- look at Google.
I -- you have this massive corporation you have this massive around the world corporation but -- still have a vision.
And it seems to me -- this vision statement for Microsoft has gotten muddied anyway it was a good thought he -- if you haven't had a chance to read Dick recipes do a search for.
Because it's and very well written 'cause like me he's a former Cornell -- -- Runner -- -- the solution all Microsoft's woes of these products is to get -- -- out -- doing more -- heated -- I think you.
Products to pick up when he worked -- so -- we need you we need him fumbling around with the HP slate.
Punching -- -- -- Kindle and I -- -- -- for fifteen minutes without power but I'm.
Let's -- what -- -- to get to.
We'll talk about this at the end here but I want to talk about so we'll do our iPad apple rumor roundup which had promised.
Our audience webcam Todd brought -- -- -- webcam.
Take a look at these spy photos.
In order but not really spot at all because apparently took place at the apple keynote Steve Jobs standing there holding the iPad.
And WIRED Magazine zoomed in took this photo I think we have this Kevin of the actual close them yet he's a webcam.
It has today or smudge mark it has that powers my friend Ken ray said is that -- -- before.
Started toenail polish -- that they yes have you -- sky -- a what do you make of this do you think.
This was a prototype and this was the -- that he was using there on stage has -- web cam that we're likely to see what it ships in the next fifty or -- days.
This thing with a webcam.
You know I think apple could do anything before the product launches and I went through this video and I went -- frame by frame after seeing this image to -- and see what I could see.
You know kind of mind my job to do that sort of thing and there were also some pictures that were -- that were supposedly showing embezzlement had a space for the camera right.
That would fit the same when that's in the MacBook.
So it might spear deflection off but you can really -- -- and -- they know there's actually a closer shot from a different angle.
And you don't see that thing -- -- so unless it's just really hidden behind that.
That's -- I mean anything's possible -- Apple you know might wanna -- video thing I think there's some video looks and SDK to do video with the iPad.
So certainly -- their mind maybe something happened and they said you know that it doesn't needed in this first version and then might be version team.
This cost -- could cost could certainly be an issue.
Processor performance could could be an issue if they want to have the same kind of -- chat experience that they have on.
On -- today but you know I -- that -- the -- is such a large iPod Touch that it even comes with its own missing camera.
Theories just like the iPod Touch -- so I figured out we know that the iPod Touch was supposed to have a camera.
And we know that it was going to based on the tear down -- Yeah maybe there is a business decision here maybe the next iPhone that -- Probably gonna see in the next couple months of the latest is going to have a forward facing camera.
New dual core processors based on apple Harvard -- -- you -- video calls out of your iPhone and they want it.
-- that revenue to eighteen whoever their carriers are going to be to push it over that -- that Avandia have a you have anybody could also be bandwidth considerations you know they're pushing relative.
Low usage plan at fifteen dollars a month.
Madrid don't want people pushing past that we're video -- -- that your numbers this week that should only plan only 25% of people to use them the Smith's numbers.
It's only -- 25% of people -- abusing three G on an iPad the most of them are going to be using over Wi-Fi so who knows -- and what's going to be an issue the other -- this week.
Tech crunch some of this rumor says that they're two tablets currently in the -- right now.
Two tablets in the works and what I'd love is the we spoke to a source -- friend and have a cousin is a source and beat the consensus is a dentist and we have heard offensively.
But they said -- corroborated in fact that there are two tablets in the works.
One with a larger screen.
Perhaps maybe that's got a webcam and -- you -- -- buying this at all well again I think it -- respect interface that the iPad turns out to be a success that its format you can get -- touch things you need to.
What does the bigger screen -- at this point except a bigger screen carrier which some people -- -- -- they just watch movies on it sure.
But other than that if this doesn't become your primary input device back -- the -- back in places and new novel way -- input tax.
But had to use a keyboard I can see that happening otherwise why spend the money I don't know -- people to pay more for.
And there are 36.
Skews for this one I can turn either six different pricing options for this one -- -- a muddy the waters for example -- to do by throwing in another.
I'm pat on top of -- are you -- here first there is another model and its candy apple red that's what's coming up the -- gravel project 00.
-- this story we're gonna wrap it up but it isn't just a minute here it is sort of this week that fewer and fewer young people are blogging and out of -- about blogging as much anymore but I had happened to stumble across the story -- working on them -- against some FOX & Friends because I hope we will look at the month.
This one got excited he's gonna create an entire web -- around his wife.
Who when she watches random movies decides she cries she cries at the end of every movie and isn't sure what movie seems to be so he seems to film it all the time.
Here is he -- like you're watching returned the GI the other night.
Check this out what happened.
To -- who want to think about it.
We'll -- I don't usually going through something profoundly I realize.
-- There you go that's a reasonable on everywhere and music creator -- what own website check it out.
There are a lot of reasons to cry during the first -- during the pre equals.
Yeah she got more emotion -- of the George Lucas script that I think anything else ever.
But they're crying wife dot com -- -- Adam had the same reaction when he saw seemingly just -- opportunity.
Adam christianson is the host of the Mac cast sticking out of that cast and then Mac cast dot com if you need -- -- dot com right out of you know just met cabinets Mac cast dot com -- out this great podcast there great analysis thanks so much out of the joining us hopefully I'll see you soon.
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