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Sat -- to see it nice to see you Greta and I had the exploded memo out that I had exactly -- -- good fortune remain and it.
Last night big speech present union that present state of the union.
And he said that's.
But if anyone from either party has a better approach that will bring down premiums bring down the deficit cover the uninsured.
Strengthen Medicare for seniors and stop insurance company abuses let me know.
One of the criticisms the Democrats of out of Republicans is that we have no -- -- you're not helping Republicans say.
-- cut out of the -- what does it.
Well you know it's interesting -- he pose that question because I had given you know a number of ideas in the direction that health care should take.
And enforcing those ideas were incorporated effect when dramatically different directions since -- time I voted for the package in the finance committee mean at that point ahead.
Considerable concerns but I thought -- -- Continuing the process and seeing what we can do to build the bridges and build a consensus but instead we added.
Well they added 12100.
Additional pages to the legislation that it has to find his commute more taxes more spending in effect on the premiums bring -- premiums.
That's not certain.
That premiums would be reduced.
In a dramatically and a dramatic fashion -- what would contribute to driving up premiums between mountain time the legislation.
Would take effect in those questions that I had submitted to the Congressional Budget Office to find it exactly.
What would contribute to driving up those you know premiums between now and then.
In what will contribute to bringing down the rates eventually and we needed to know stances or what the premiums would be with the co pays and deductibles.
-- -- questions that the average Americans always asking when they decide to buy purchase to purchase health insurance if they can afford it.
-- that seem to be a couple issues couple layers and health care one is a substance of it but the second part is sort of whether or not the Republicans are included in the discussion or not I -- the Democrats -- they say.
-- Republicans are obstructionists I talk Republicans Republicans say they won't even include us.
You have been having unique position at least a little loud in December racing to build -- talk the Democrats.
Aren't Republicans included in this discussion.
-- They haven't then they might have been obviously during you know earlier on in the in the process and -- -- conversations.
Obviously with the White House in the leadership.
Those initial conversations might have taken place whether -- not health care.
You know would be on the -- I don't now but I do know that they were so Republicans in the finance committee.
That we're working group of six that I was apart with him opposite to his credit he tried to build bipartisanship -- at that point and fortunately.
The issue continue to be driven by artificial deadlines I sit in the house that we get the deadlines let's just discuss how we can build.
Strong support for the right policy crafting health health here's a complex issue and not to mention -- we had to get it right -- so many facets to it.
But unfortunately they were really obsessed.
By arbitrary timetables it did not fit.
The complexity of the -- and scale that I would ace.
A lot of the Democrats -- concerns about timetables you know it's you know it's it's now inside the way conventional wisdom -- Going to a one year in the first -- two years is the second hand issues obviously.
Election -- let Kenya and I plan to the president -- to the Democrats that.
You know you have to abide by that time -- and we're all in this working on it together get it right.
And secondly there have been major initiatives that have passed in watching you civil rights in the summer.
The 64 welfare formed in the summer 96 to two other attempts it would vetoed -- -- President Clinton and we -- able to succeed in his third time this summer 1996.
You can achieve extraordinary and initiatives in my opinion if you determined to do it obviously they had.
The numbers mean they had sixty votes Nancy it's -- that they had the majority in the house and him the presidency so.
Any point in time I guess he couldn't control.
The outcome because they had the numbers to -- -- I don't know what possessed him to think if you can accomplish such a major initiative.
Under and very shortened timetable we were criticizing finance committee during the summer -- taking to line and I said well it's obvious.
The people -- familiar with how he really doing the right way we weren't concentrating the politics account concentrating policies -- we ask.
Questions asked questions to -- eons has it you know really really you know trying to see him in each facet each issue.
And the more -- you know unraveled you know soon as -- variously as his health care.
We you know we learned how complex it was and it took more time.
Those are the types of questions that should be asked by every member -- states that wasn't happening.
So people understood that rightfully.
American people figured it out.
You know that he's -- it's one thing for them as one you know my constituents -- to me last week.
It's one thing for us not to -- -- -- and everything legislation that we truly expect our elected officials to do that and they knew.
That this and it was not fully of understanding the complexities.
In the scope of the legislation.
So is it in my in my Wright -- and this may be oversimplifying but.
Is the press -- act.
Every Republican I've spoken to wants some Health Care Reform them.
That's that's a given right and and every democratic senator -- something to fix it but at what has.
Is the urgency -- the deadlines for the Democrats.
And the complexity and that is that is that the some of the problems he can't you can't count which at that time yet it was first.
Ball that in in the breath of the legislation I mean it.
It was more expansive even from the time -- finance communion October 13 since that time -- they added 12100 more pages.
And more taxes Medicare payroll tax for example -- they doubled it.
That would really have an impact on small businesses.
They require employer mandate.
Require them are for health insurance as a major policies than all the fundamental questions.
Exactly what was -- going to accomplish for the average American terms -- premiums co pays and deductibles for small businesses.
What would be the Kosovor you know the lowest cost plan.
In the exchange then beyond that was -- behind him back room deals behind closed doors most of which.
-- -- You know since October 13 since we voter finance -- all behind close to its.
It is no transparency.
And virtually no amendments.
We what are -- in the senate because.
We would denied that opportunity to improve it I was pot of so many conversations.
And meetings but nothing ever translated.
Into you know substantive policy changes.
Rather they concentrated.
On trying to negotiate his special agreements where states -- exempted.
From the compliance.
Was national policy which is you know totally unprecedented.
How I some justification as senator majority leader Harry Reid said anything about the Nebraska deal about what you making reference did.
Which was done which is surprised you know many people I think in many people in Nebraska was there any of us have justification we hear that wasn't.
But from him from him and from senator Nelson wasn't buying a book but it certainly looks back well.
You know it just -- it's not him that's not the way we should be doing business.
IE when I was attempting to offer my solutions.
I was on the basis of changing policy for every -- Even though -- remains -- and Medicaid for example we didn't benefit as we worry very generous.
-- now in our Medicaid policies are kind of into -- at the Israeli justify -- you know they didn't I never heard aid me in direct justification of why.
They decided to move in that direction -- I in my mind proposals.
You know weren't considered -- me needed to be included because I think they didn't want to make concessions on substantive policies and they decided.
To move in that direction for whatever reasons listen I understand the progress of the majority mean they have the right -- you know votes and votes -- to make.
You know I think their own proposals within their own group but.
Ultimately it doesn't engender much confidence from the American people let alone when you have.
On precedent agreements where there wholesale exemptions from compliance national policy which is.
Is truly -- -- so I was moving one direction.
And they were moving in another direction is -- As we've been trying to work through these issues and I was during working good faith attack the president on many occasions throughout the fall and up until the very end.
But it just made virtually impossible for musically and kind of legislation was represented and they had to 400 page amendment.
It was -- -- -- -- -- for Christmas season and that triggered this is the clock.
And we had to vote at 1 o'clock Monday morning so less than forty hours later you voting 400 page amendment.
It's no ability to modify let alone have the ability for every -- -- -- -- -- to read it understand it.
-- -- another 400 pages but no amendments and then you know we said attend the subsequent posts and -- Christmas Eve day.
People understood that and that's why I think -- incurred the wrath.
Of the American people.
Last the president spoke out about health care to take issue at least at -- about the processors and he was.
Eight Andy remarked she's making -- was in reference to your party.
Now I think that Anthony is first and foremost is to I think the president.
An image and the democratically should you should.
Trying to figure out of the way.
To extend themselves.
Do you know broad Republican group and I recommended for Christmas take a legislative time.
And that point the president has they would be wise to use -- -- depressants -- this legislation.
It's too much is too much at this time can detach ourselves from the economic environment it's -- -- job creation job growth.
And I certainly heard that from my constituents in live along the process the process really.
Does affect the credibility of any product if you do it the right way.
And begins to right itself might -- greens everything but at least American he would have confidence that there was an open transparent processes interest in the finance committee.
You know -- was the high water was an open and transparent process and people.
You know let him virtually you know generally support of the united disagrees with the policies in the united but they knew what was happening in the industry that it even as they do -- -- -- with it.
That's the way the legislative process should work but rather -- -- to get the you know the one vote margin in just to get it over the threshold rather than looking concentrating what do we had you house pets I -- to -- -- -- and reach out get a group together and see what we can build on their -- Actually some very good components of the legislation small businesses that recommend along with -- I democratic Collins I think would be important tax incentives -- -- buying across state lines.
Those -- thinks it should have been done long ago unfortunately weren't they can be done and -- something that we canal rally around at least for status.
This undeniably -- for health care that we can yes and that's -- so immersed in this legislation I know.
It's had its impossible issue very difficult that people struggling with costs pianist who -- state.
That's -- I want to resolve it and in a reasonable pragmatic way given.
The perilous economic environment we -- spouse is health care now.
Dead -- at least this particular bill.
I think that this this do you legislation I think is going to be very difficult.
Two reaching -- -- -- I think.
Democratic Caucus in the house and senate to accept the slips into only the other you know me not being liberal enough -- time.
Dan far too liberal for others and so whether or not is senate bill could you know you know.
Be accepted the house.
I think he's really remains very open question and -- other colleagues who would like to see much more modest scaled back version.
But pieces that we all agree we could support insurance reforms and so on.
They could make a difference hand and we we you know I think we should still be committed to trying to figure out a framework that would work until workable pieces that are practical.
This has -- -- present let's be practical.
And I -- it's not the count when I stood you know he is actually.
You know I mean and a lot of issues it's interesting I think he was -- trying his -- -- the -- substance and in some of the issues.
He wanted to accomplish this goal hand I think you know.
At this point I think the president probably realizes that you -- -- should've waited and you know earlier in this process I don't now.
At that -- I don't think he did you know -- -- widening differences.
And that's a good question I don't know if he you know thought that he bowing out that he thought that he could -- -- in during the house senate conference I felt that that was -- -- -- not been too late for him but it was too late.
For me as if they can influence the process in the -- he buried it.
Exercising influence in the house and conference.
I I think for -- from you know from a spectator on the outside when the deal was cut.
With Nebraska -- Austin and wakes up and -- to find out in a wide Nebraska get this deal.
And then in the meeting that the let the White House for the unions.
Got a special deal and -- small businesses who might have been same situation didn't get it with a Cadillac -- difference I think that's when you know.
And became enormously difficult on American people and for -- I did exactly right that's what I've heard from my constituents I think that -- manifest itself and results of the election in Massachusetts.
Now I'm in new senator Scott brown and I think absolute right because it wasn't it wasn't the right way to proceed to -- in the face these special deals.
And -- sweetheart deals it really I think eroded the public's confidence.
But also creating inequities.
You know -- -- you know against states and regions against regions and it really would impose on -- taxes on other.
To really absorb the costs of those states would be exempted -- from Medicare Advantage policies are from Medicaid policies and so on.
You know there's no patience for sitting around a table and trying to work through a number of issues rather -- just sort of this -- get it done.
And will work out the problems later I just didn't think that that was acceptable approach.
I understood that you know health care affects everybody and you just get -- really sort through these issues it takes time.
-- I pointed out time again Medicare to a year and a half.
When it was connected to so -- it -- -- that was then this is -- -- so you know these tumultuous times and present in many ways.
Economically for for this country and the American people.
I -- what was happening in the you know -- expressed their outrage.
Senator thank you thank you for.
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