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I'd senator Specter welcome back the program nicely what I guess democratic senator is more appropriate -- -- welcome back to the program.
Marched through a few strong punch through your invitation factor a lot of the following -- -- -- I think you and I am a lot of heart issues we're gonna disagree on.
But first the U wanna put cameras in the courtroom which I think I might buy myself an agreement went that you know -- you talking about the Supreme Court and every other court.
No I'm talking about the thus Supreme Court many states supreme courts are now televised there's usually.
Fire scored in great Britain and Canada I want to.
The Supreme Court to be televised because.
They have such a tremendous impact normal lives of all citizens -- -- -- newspaper reporter you have an absolute right to be in the courtroom and right true story.
Have now should ensure most of the information comes on television.
Seems to me a logical extension for people understand.
Is there any danger that that that lets people play up for the ports he would end because they know they're on television and they act differently is that a concern.
Well that is -- She earned -- a -- sure if they do you know there.
Probably you know film.
But I think that that.
Mild dish of rapid sure potential disadvantages.
For outweighed by the -- -- -- -- people understand what happens in a very important facet of government.
I -- her I just have a hard time.
Figuring you out there's somebody that I -- -- a lot of over the years.
I disagree with -- quite a bit but -- I've I can't figure out.
How you could go from supporting George W.
Bush and some years 8990% of the time.
And then supporting Barack Obama nineteenth at 6% of the time considering their their principles their core values their belief system.
It's so diametrically opposed.
-- how do you justify that.
Well -- those statistics.
Next you're leaving home well I'm not challenging their -- you're saying but we have a lot of routine matters.
-- are almost everybody.
-- -- -- When President Bush was -- office I disagreed with him on many many issues strong warrantless wire tap for tomorrow.
Woman's right to choose.
Oh on labor protection.
And I've disagreed with the President Obama.
Out on issues I have been an independent and if you try to look at the specifics on mark.
Voting record it's consistent and.
Well I it's it's it's actually not I mean it was going to be fair we're going to be honest about this site and -- you a few quick examples here.
The commandant of the comments -- made for example about Elena Kagan that would shoot becoming solicitor general -- very harsh.
-- a Democrat you gotta support Elena Kagan you're on you're on Meet the Press you talk about health care.
And you David Gregory -- I wanna turn over the issue of -- you would not support a public plan.
Your answer that's what I said.
Then in the New York Times a short time later yes Schumer has a right about supporting a public component.
It card check you flip in three different positions on card check.
And the question I guess that that I'm gonna ask you as you know it does not seem like that's a pure political expediency.
Know him much to be specific.
Moment when I hear when you're dealt with a public option.
We were talking at that point.
About single prayer and I oppose President Clinton signed a prayer have a gigantic chart -- -- the bureaucracy that many people said.
Close a significant factor in -- defeat.
When you came down too -- what was in the Obama plan it was a level playing field than the private sector.
There were still very much involved.
When you talk about terror card check from the very storm.
Are opposed the idea of giving up the secret ballot consistently.
All the way through.
-- said early that there was room for arbitration and providing.
Last chance or repression would be explorer.
And if you solve the from shaving your social on on.
Solicitor general trade him from the Supreme Court of the United States.
I was very direct and a very.
Much of disagreement worth her refusal -- questions.
And I shed on the final analysis I would before -- -- -- Balance almost core.
And because so she said that she.
Carol stone former justice Thurgood Marshall was.
Was a role model and her room willingness to save a court televised show.
If these matters where you have lost a lot of subtleties to you know I'm glad that.
I'm glad to take up your specific I haven't been survivor I've heard I wanna -- -- center he.
You know you got to believe in politics soon and -- it but I will tell you that.
It's not the perception you could say that these are subtleties.
But what you said about Elena Kagan we'll stay on that issue for just a second.
In a one month hardly what one month before you left the Republican Party what you said.
Voting against terrorists as solicitor general.
You know you were very strong he said somebody with her strongly held belief was not qualified to be solicitor general.
And -- you're Democrat not here in the Democratic Caucus if she's not qualified and if she's not qualified to be solicitor general.
How is she qualified to be a Supreme Court justice.
I wanted to merit our post paid him first was sort of general because she weren't -- answer questions.
Specifically issue when I answer.
On what position she would -- -- call me.
Issue of the Holocaust victims warning to take their case to the Supreme Court specifically -- issue of the survivors of the victims of 9/11 going to the Supreme Court.
Now I thought solicitor general -- -- -- questions.
Went to -- Supreme Court -- be an -- stage she's following suit.
With what everybody else's turn -- refusing to answer questions -- laps.
The reason that coming back to television that I want to say the court televised so that people understand.
Well what is happening in those proceedings -- product.
See if we can't influence nominees to tell us a little bit something about their philosophy but.
You know situations -- this significantly.
I look senator I I guess you know -- you could say whatever you want I'm looking at your record.
Public about your record on health care -- and at the votes that you took.
He spent all these years in the Republican Party and then when it's once it becomes politically expedient -- you.
To leave the Republican Party believes you can't win.
In the Republican Party the latest -- the polls that show would you just prior -- you jumping ship you didn't have a chance to get the Republican nomination.
So all of a sudden you leave the Republican Party.
You become a Democrat and then you start voting like a Democrat and I can tell you that when -- -- with George Bush in these years you can say these are subtleties or not.
90% of the time Molly -- George W.
Bush is hardly a subtlety.
Those are strong positions and the very strongest criticism Americans have right now.
Is that politicians are out for themselves.
And it seems on the surface that you were out to get reelected and if that meant compromising your position you're gonna do self.
Well I I have taken up your issues warm Taiwan.
I'm showed you where where you're wrong.
Now all formerly called my big issues.
I had been independent congress probably only.
Major issues like -- -- warrantless wiretapping.
The issue of unemployment compensation on the issue of health care -- -- -- -- on.
Federal expenditures for a national institutes of -- -- on those issues I was with the Democrats.
Perhaps moral from a -- for Republicans on the former big issues.
Now you know so pleased -- one way emerge from these don't lend themselves really.
Two of simple shall -- on television.
-- Braves specific objection I gotta be a serious and I'm -- every one of you haven't played.
I thought there might look with all due respect senator you served your country but not to my satisfaction I gotta take some -- it's not just make.
It's if you look at the polls you weren't even able to win your own state so obviously the people of Pennsylvania.
You know they see that this political expediency of play but -- let me give an example when you when you left the Republican Party your statement was that that the party.
Has moved further and further to the right you find -- back at odds with Republican philosophy.
Explain to me how somebody that was with -- Reagan and and President Bush explained specifically where the party went to part of the right.
Well reporting went too far to override.
When -- -- world offering filibusters on every issue.
-- went too far to the right -- 200000.
Left the Democrat Republican Party.
And join the Republican Party biggest 200000.
Fall apart they have gone to foreign on the run and that's that's what I went out outweighed -- way to Maryland -- -- did not answer the question that's the point.
I think I think I -- and we'll let your viewers very determined -- But -- 200000.
People leave the Republican Party.
-- so very very different primary and I was handed a round -- -- but look here.
The big tipping point came -- the stimulus road.
And I knew that it was politically disastrous to cast the vote for the spending much.
When I concluded that the country would slide into a 1949.
If we didn't have the stimulus -- are you may disagree with the stimulus vote.
What the economists have said that perhaps since that infusion of that federal money we -- had another depression.
And once so I have voted for the stimulus.
There was no way there was there was -- there irreconcilable.
Differences between me.
-- they your Republican Party out and I look at analysts -- -- losing an election.
With -- and tire war shapes and settlement.
Not a very unusual planned.
You know I can -- -- I've I've got a long record elected five times longer serving.
Pennsylvania senator and listen Sean I don't have any thing to apologize for -- -- beautiful hug anyone.
I'm not well I'm not to appear here are not -- your community college are pretty strong here young man.
Okay they struggle we have I think I want to talk about television I've been had you've given Palin made good to protect most people a long time to prepare but -- -- senator there.
I am giving you as much time -- answer these questions as possible because I'm gonna -- -- -- it's not just Sean Hannity does that add an I've given you a fair amount of time -- answer without interrupting you.
For the very purpose that you can make your case let me give me an example what I -- maybe maybe you can respond.
I consider myself senator a Reagan conservative.
I believe in limited government.
Lower taxes fiscal responsibility.
I believe in a strong national defense I believe an energy independence these are these are core values that make up Sean Hannity.
I find right now that the country's divided that it it.
You can't reconcile -- -- Reagan supporter and then become a supporter of Barack Obama because his policies are the antithesis of that.
And in many ways as I look at your record I see that that's the direction you're -- hitting it.
-- -- -- -- Take -- -- today president Reagan's nomination of from judge -- I'm sure you would agree that judge -- ought to be on the Supreme Court.
And I I disagreed with matter.
There were issues -- -- came up one on funding for Reagan did not walk a lot of expenditures on health care.
And I led the fight.
For funding for the National Institutes of Health first to get ten million dollars extra in the stimulus package.
And I faked even your listener should be more inclined to be with Arlen Specter -- Sean Hannity on -- So that I had disagreed with -- Reagan on matters is I disagreed with bush and our special far.
How were -- world and -- work -- has been one of independence.
Well you eat it's you can say that but here's the here's the thing we both know.
That there are very different governing philosophies right now in Washington.
Are not Republicans are not supporting the Obama agenda you know and those that did support.
President Bush's agenda of what you -- one of and you -- pretty strong supporter 90% of the time this is not new ones taking a single load out of context.
And to go from 90% Republican the 96% Democrat.
It it does raise what do you like need to raise him or anybody else senator the issue of whether or not these decisions -- for political expediency year old power.
You can get mad at the messenger all you want but the numbers are pretty.
It's the start.
In my mind.
No I'm not -- not -- -- you.
But the messenger.
I don't want you.
Saying that you don't have -- makers you have quite a bit but.
Are -- around with him.
And this is -- repetition of percentages there are a lot of those who -- -- -- votes.
But you raise specific -- -- have -- issues.
And all the liberal back a long time I'm prepared to tell you exactly.
Why I did what I did.
And they're consistent.
All right I died I just have made a genuine disagreement senator I am not here.
You know you you've served your country a long time I and for that you should be commended for your service IE but on issues involving health care.
Elena Kagan -- card check some issues involving national defense.
Personally I have a hard time reconciling year old positions -- new positions.
And I just guess what types of first time you mentioned national defense weren't sure complain when a major I'll I'll tell you have kids -- -- I voted on why -- -- -- I can give me some specific quote you said we're almost there are New York Times and knocked in August of 2003.
The events of 9/11 as well as the war in Iraq require our government to intensify its efforts to combat terrorism.
I -- -- can fit it in that particular case we have a president that's having a hard time right now even uttering the words war on terrorism.
He refers to it as a man made contingency man -- made contingency or overseas.
And I find the president's position is totally at odds that those of President Bush though you see -- the third different center.
Moral -- have not supported President Obama.
Point any -- -- which could conceivably be interpreted.
Not to be strongly against a terrorism I William and finally how good are -- -- and our world to terrorist prosecution Iraq.
-- nineteen nine.
Terrorists who carjacked and kidnapped point one have I supported.
Here's when always haunt our way to not want to watch unanswered questions now that you can you give me the post I here's my question for you.
Are you -- all critical of Barack Obama on national defense when he says these are -- caused disasters overseas contingency operations.
Do you think he's shown the grit and determination and resolve the George -- showed.
I don't exactly understand your question -- -- he hasn't sent any thing tough lesson his fifth person.
Implied in al-Qaeda and it just hate hate hate he's trying to pursued against the Talabani which.
-- just protecting.
But but but but the point is he was against the Warner what was gonna -- what what if he had -- let me consider her way to Manuel won't apply if he had my way or boulevard past.
Or what advice.
I would like which is a very honest with bent on -- -- -- -- -- journalism is not address the president will not acknowledge a war on terror when the president is saying.
These are our men cause disasters and overseas contingency operations if Barack Obama and Joseph Biden had their way.
We never would have had the surge in Iraq.
Will you go on record saying that there their refusal to support that was a mistake senator.
-- Do not believe that they surge in Iraq where successful.
-- -- aren't there and said so at that time.
Yeah I think this series history I've disagreed with Obama.
Policy no -- -- the -- ultimately succeeded.
But you make your judgment of the time based on the information you -- And -- you still it still haven't sign of any thing I haven't been with Obama.
Where he's weak on terror.
Some don't and I am saying just the very lack of recognition that there is a war on terrorism senator is a fundamental.
In opinion that I think is dangerous to the country and that's why don't I don't think Barack Obama -- -- denied that there is a war on terrorism yet yeah.
Yeah I hope I hope I hope -- -- wife sister and review our fire appear to us like -- -- -- senator I I am Venus cordial and as nice as I can be I I a I've been fair do you all throughout the years.
I know we disagree I -- it say -- I'll be honest let me tell you what this comes down to for me.
It saddens me that I think somebody that wants you don't not -- I didn't always agree with you.
But I thought what you're right a lot of the time and I I feel as you go on down the road that you cannot support a Reagan philosophy.
And a bush philosophy.
And then all of a sudden because you got to lose an election support -- Obama philosophy which is completely at odds with with Reagan and bush.
I take an independent look at each one of these issues everyone that you raised.
Five cancer you try to view and it.
I've managed to have pay less and -- out there wouldn't be here relevant to say that this interview was about televising the Supreme Court.
Irons now I'm back and what a way to you've gone back to the -- Clinton you've raised.
-- whole host of issues that go back a decade or more.
And I think I've given your pretty good fractional responses on each one of them -- I what do you give you YouTube you've got to viewing audience or maybe even somebody that a bridge and made.
I've that there is a sudden -- -- -- senator I don't know if you if you know if you watch this program monorail base of the ghetto.
Bob Beckel was on last night we have Democrats on this on this program on a regular basis.
And one of the things that we try and Foster here is -- free and open exchange of ideas.
And I think I've given you more than your fair opportunity I find it hard to.
To put the two philosophies together you obviously are very comfortable -- -- otherwise you wouldn't do it.
I'm just concerned.
And and it's not just me senator there are a lot of people -- believe political expediency is is one of the reasons at this such an anti Washington incumbent mode.
Well let me give you -- contrary view.
I believe -- the American people are fed up with me with me gridlock in the stagnation and and with the extremism in both parties.
What are they extreme isn't in the democratic what -- extremism and they never when we have a big argument were on small business.
And -- senator McConnell.
Of course once for votes and senator Reid's gonna give him only three votes.
And I think that people like independence.
And I think I have been an independent -- And if you take a look at -- the American electorate is shifting and shifting toward independence.
So that people were not saying.
You gotta be worth -- all the time are you gotta be with Obama all the time.
I think people prefer independent think -- take up the issue is one of the time.
And exercise their best judgment and I don't know I don't believe that everybody.
Our -- in my judgment all the time on our mature in that category strong.
Well -- well YouTube did vote with Obama in 200996%.
Of the time.
That statistic is not correct term if you take a look at those -- lesson here you have plenty of time.
-- itemize your compliant (%expletive) I've answered them -- you have sort of won by Juan I YouTube.
-- -- to your satisfaction let's say that but senator we appreciate your time thank you for being with us.
We're alone much much -- here thank you.
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