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Its front page news in Arizona fueling the fire over birthright citizenship.
One out of twelve babies born in the United States in 2008.
Was born to illegal immigrants now that's according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center.
What does this mean for the fight over changing the fourteenth amendment which grants citizenship to babies born here in the United States even if the parents are illegal.
Mark Hugo Lopez associate director of the Pew Hispanic Center joins us good evening good evening how are you -- very well so what what prompted the study.
Well women -- -- a number of studies over the years looking at the characteristics of the immigrant population United States including -- -- -- -- this is just one of many studies that we've done.
About undocumented immigrants in the United States.
Haven't idea of how many children born let's say this year Mara hello what's illustrates here the information to parents who -- affliction one of -- is -- -- Yes we estimate there's about three of them -- about 340000.
Babies born to at least one undocumented parent in 2008.
That represents about 8% of all the babies born in the United States in 2008 or one out of twelve.
In terms of Trenton 40000 re able to determine how many were instances where a parent just came the United States to.
Have a child really -- like six or eight months or nine months before.
And those who for instance have been working United States illegally for several years and having children.
One of the things we were able to do this CNET and there are some limitations of the -- but we are able to look at see how long the mothers of these babies have been in the United States.
And 80% more than 80% of them.
Had been in the United States for more than a year so they've been in the US for.
More than a year prior to having their baby I so it does so let's and a 40010%.
To 34 so about about seven -- and give or take.
Thousands were here we're just here for parents who had been -- a short period of time for appropriate time yes I would is there any in terms of the heavier study did you determine where this was happening -- -- the -- certain parts of the country we've seen more of this.
It's actually difficult to determined.
A very specific localities for this particular data and frankly for this report we don't have information about what states or what parts of the country.
Undocumented immigrants are having children.
However the undocumented immigrant population is concentrated in a few states about two point seven million of all undocumented immigrants are in the state of California has a single.
But some of the states in the top ten include states like Georgia -- states like Virginia.
States like Texas -- -- states like new York New Jersey -- intensive with about 7000 babies are born 2008 with parents who have been here and at least less than one year.
Do you -- are you able to -- make any and attempt to determine whether or not they came for the specific intent to have an American child.
The weather not simply that they -- they were here a short period time and had a child.
We are unable to determine now what their intent was or what their motivations were for coming -- United States.
Let alone determine whether or not they came here specifically to have a baby all we know is how long me being here and whether or not they actually had a baby here so all of those.
Who had a baby 80% had been here for more than a year is all we can really tell the -- 40000 in 2008 give any idea what 20092010.
Or even that the trend is no we don't -- looking a little bit farther back and talking more broadly about ten children under the age of 181 of the things that we do know is -- has been an increase in the number of children under the age of eighteen.
Who had at least one undocumented parent.
In 2003 either about two point seven million children in the United States who were US born but had at least one undocumented parent.
Today the numbers more like four million so there has been an increase but there's also been an increase native population of undocumented immigrants from this time percent of paid about seven years and it's one point three million more.
They're reporting here in the United States estimate that's our estimate -- I'm so how could how could these numbers I mean.
And so it's hard to turn in his numbers are quite get quite study I guess who don't necessarily mean.
I meadow what our how our package is going United States anyway but how how certainly -- the numbers -- it is difficult to actually determine.
Whether or not somebody is is here in his legal or not that's actually not an easy thing to do.
And it is an estimate and there are many ways to write an assessment we use something called -- residual method.
But essentially where -- are estimating something where taken against based on a characteristic.
Folks who are here -- country and who participated in some of the surveys the federal government have not dead nationalities ethnic background -- we talk about undocumented immigrants about that they're about eleven point nine million according to our last -- for 2008.
Of those seven million were from Mexico alone.
So the majority the vast majority are actually from Latin America with Mexico -- in the Dominique Canty has turned into AAQ determine how many let's take Arizona is an axis is rare sign any impact specific impact on state of Arizona.
-- -- -- has been there's about 500000 undocumented immigrants in the state of Arizona so for the state of Arizona.
While that doesn't -- -- as large as California two point 7500000.
Puts Arizona in the top ten states in terms of the size of its undocumented immigrant population for reference have let Texas know Texas off the top yeah I don't remember -- up about my wanna say one point 71 point eight million bucks.
But at least it's more than Arizona mourners and yeah well thank you very much and I know that the rest didn't give a more comprehensive -- is coming out soon so -- looking for that as well can thank you very much.
Arizona State senator Russell Pearce who co wrote to the Arizona immigration law joins us -- -- Sarah.
Good evening Greta.
Well I don't seem to our last guest list in today's numbers.
Let it ain't never been a man of few words semi -- -- that you haven't thought about it.
Well at those numbers are very conservatives like the estimates were put out in 86 when they granted amnesty -- -- Thousand was the -- they said there was over three million.
Not a very conservative numbers -- we know that.
In the end winning -- of percentages we know from the Border Patrol that 80% of those usually nine -- His -- -- you have other countries averages 333.
Have been identified come across a border.
Many of -- countries of terrorism.
But anyway 80% -- what are called old -- -- -- other than Mexican.
80% of those -- -- -- -- to -- 90%.
Of those that are in the country illegally are still Hispanic descent at least in the south last year.
Saw -- those numbers are very -- -- you know we've talked before.
They estimates range from that.
Some -- was born to illegal aliens.
More in the United States users had a report that oversee huge -- 60s70000.
Last year just a Texas along so that number I suspect is a very conservative.
I think that's a much larger number he could be as much as one out of six.
-- in the United States are born to illegal alien -- Moments I had was so led the study says one out well let me say one six right now I'm curious whether it has any.
Then it has any impact on your Ernie thought about it because it -- -- a difference between someone who comes here with a specific intent to have a child.
To make an American citizen and someone who might be here illegally working for five years not here legally.
But them the woman gets pregnant has a child was at is -- -- and -- -- different tune anyway.
No idea is still in this application the fourteenth amendment I mean you did as an additional we have laws in this -- illegally -- The only good remain yet we agree -- we reward you with them with the birth I -- citizen.
-- of of -- board called birthright citizenship.
It was never intended to be part of the fourteen on the he had been recipe would get -- -- once thought I mean there's judicial record decisions to make that clear.
This that they did debate Howard Jacob Jacob Howard on the floor of the senate as senator talent in right in -- -- she said didn't.
This amendment does not apply to foreigners or aliens at all yet we keep -- supplying it.
And that came from a court decision after the slaughter house and they -- -- decision which made it clear.
And -- like I said the at the American industry there's no doubt where their report.
They were not considered citizens under the fourteenth amendment congress had to -- three times congressional action recognize him to citizenship of the in this.
Have a candidate who just -- that exist.
I would quit taking it all rights for women in this country and says he's profoundly I'm likely to -- that you're gonna constitutional amendment.
To deliver the fourteenth and then I just don't think it's gonna have but it's a tremendous serve let me let me ask you something -- -- -- -- constitutional amendments.
Doesn't that constitutional amend my head clarification.
It's already clear Smith supply.
I look at what what I -- and you know I can you had a -- can debate that that happened you know cure and curious is it.
If you -- to achieve what you lot.
What you would you want to apply retroactively.
To the children who have been born to -- -- immigrants are not -- this wesun at prospective in your mind.
-- -- prospect of I don't think you know even wrong here -- even -- been wrong you can't take away that that's been done and that's unfair.
Nobody wants to be unfair what we want to do is fix a bad policy and then this application is an unconstitutional declaration of citizenship -- board.
To non citizens he was -- the writing of the fourteenth amendment it never was applied that way initially became a policy later on there's been ignored.
It's simply unconstitutional and it -- was never meant to -- He'll admit to the African American -- you know that was you know was written after a bad bad decision.
You know that that basically -- African Americans were -- humans congress rolls up to the occasion it was learned that the dread dread Scott decision.
And they said whoa -- pass the Civil Rights Act.
That's not right they did and they said let's go step farther let's go fourteenth amendment to protect -- they -- a terrible wrong it was the right thing to do.
But that is -- hijacked from the African Americans this was.
There are -- that they did applied in -- -- out.
Yeah why did the African American for the -- you'll we have jurisdiction those five words that they love to leave out of that debate there in the fourteen -- it.
There's not a reward measurement and for those -- we have jurisdiction it was intended.
To fix a terrible wrong.
To -- the African Americans their rightful place in the table recognize -- legal lawful citizens and not apply Haley is legal or illegal.
And I didn't get I got to go to break but let me just -- and one thing I guess I was -- -- -- that you're not a man of few words.
None read I don't know I have to reset your and a bit but it didn't -- yeah -- there and that's a big comeback thing.
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