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Hey Good Friday afternoon everyone welcome to gadgets and games I'm your host Clayton Morris it is Friday afternoon 2 PM eastern time as always you can download the full video podcast tonight tunes the Zune marketplace facilities to saying that the thank you for making us the number one downloaded video podcast on iTunes for Fox News we appreciate that.
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-- let's dive right into -- the big story I guess this week obviously Google Chrome OS so.
We heard about this earlier in the year.
And what we heard about it of course there was nothing to talk about installed vapor right -- was Google might be was on the blog posting.
What we're gonna see from Google and -- operating system.
And now we actually see it are we excited about it is anything to be excited and -- Actually am quite excited about it again I'm excited about having something for netbooks.
That is when you're actually viewing and using an OS on -- 7023.
Inch screen yeah it's completely different than how you use in that book.
And so that they they introduce tabs.
Around now for our adaptations and as opposed to having it dock as opposed to having all of this different.
Stuff to deal and so on and that look I think that could work really really well yeah it makes it lighter and.
A lot of stuff and I think the most potentially exciting for you consumer might be the price tag if you know because it's free unlike windows you know what you -- -- -- -- -- -- -- before.
If the -- of chrome OS makes the netbook.
I don't know fifty bucks cheaper -- hundred bucks cheaper at scale that today -- lead for greater sales and things like that.
And you know consumer might jump -- and and buy something it would not ordinarily buy.
But I think the test is going to be yes it's great that the simple but is it.
You know is it too simple you know gonna do everything that I want to do.
Before -- -- this this netbook and also you know we're gonna have to see what apple does next year too because.
The biggest disappointment for me at least for Croats is that devices aren't gonna -- per year.
These could be completely different by that apple has you know that the ten inch.
I had a wherever they're gonna -- IPod Touch their toys we're gonna have to look at chrome OS to a different set of glasses there.
Let's take a look there's a video that Google put together and it's almost like child like -- a way to put together this video is about a three minute video but this is Google's way of sort of explaining in a very colloquial all laid back -- way.
How old Google Chrome OS will look and work on a netbook take a look at this can we roll out.
You -- on the Internet using a web browser.
-- you know that thing with the address bar and back button and bookmarks that -- you're in right now up.
That's your web browser.
If you're like me when you're on your computer you spent something like Jack -- I don't -- 80% of your time on the Internet.
In a browser there's emails chatting you're reading news watching videos playing games buying things just to name a few which kind of makes the web browser the most important program on your computer and if you think about it hasn't always been this way.
You see web browsers were first designed a long time ago with the old Internet mind you know back when it was slow and mainly just words with leaks that to send you to more words with.
Links back before all of these innovations.
So some guys that Google asked what -- we redesign the web browser from scratch with an eye towards the new -- you know maps video and web apps that are a lot more.
Dynamic and so they created -- a web browser that's crazy fast on today's Internet.
And it's sleek and more secure.
Mostly it's really fast I mean my biggest question when I had to have my computer is how long till I get on the Internet.
Right I mean if there isn't any Internet I might not even use my computer did you know that even the fastest computers will still -- like 45 seconds to boot up 45 seconds you can make a sandwich -- that time.
So here's what's going on and computers booting up there's this list of things to do stuff I'm sure you don't care about but it cranks through them one at a time where you probably noticed is that your programs begin loading up slowly and if you let me see you see your web browser icon appear like double clicking -- over and over and over let's nobody -- emails to read all of the stuff is called you're operating system.
And over time it gets rusty -- -- once first computer gets slow.
-- -- was like wait a second if you're operating system to hassle O'Malley really using forced to get on your web browser to get online and may be.
Well maybe we don't.
Need this anymore what if when you pressed on and you were on the Internet in seconds what -- your browser.
Was your operating system and it's a check this out this means that you don't have to deal with with managing programs or nagging updates or lost files are confusing.
Settings -- blue screens of -- men and there's no nagging updates.
Which means you can still listen to music watch movies interact with friends you're creating documents you're playing games you're reading your -- you're doing all of this stuff that you -- dealing on the Internet because the thing.
None of this is stored on your computer what none of it you -- yet none of it really nothing yet.
Nothing is stored on your computer.
Well where is that.
It's on the -- You know like when you access your emails from your computer and your phone the email it -- stored on either device of everything stored on the Internet -- your phone your computer all of these devices are what people call.
Which is kind of a big words so maybe just remember this.
Chrome is a totally -- web browser you can download it right now on your computer.
But -- will test is a totally rethought computer that -- you stop worrying about your computer so you could focus.
On the Internet.
Which is what most of us use their computers for nowadays.
So -- -- -- a video like that to explain Google Wave.
Think a lot they might actually understandable way that -- was.
He would do it looks like a three and a half hour thing you have is ridiculously long all right so interesting men's speed -- -- you brought up something earlier and -- -- bird watching right now said he just would insist.
Chrome to say is good because it's free a netbook vendors without limits free failed.
Would easily say that.
I gotta say that that problem Linux is not the cause -- that.
At least in my experience the user interface just not something a normal person would ever want to use.
Linux is great for servers don't get me wrong and it's you know it's been great for that kind of stuff but.
Hopefully who can do what what the different varieties of Linux haven't been able -- is making user experience that people really understand him.
You know that they don't want to have to deal with the idea that there's all this stuff running around in the background it's.
Do you my -- give -- the web.
You know my calendar couple other things and I think -- -- kind of thesis that market share in things like Gmail away from.
Hotmail and Yahoo!.
That's where chrome -- you know if it has a chance that's kind of where they're going to be able to get it from.
I think there have been able look at.
Yeah I mean here's the thing with Google is suitable throw something out there at least and -- say hey look we don't have all the answers and so he's going to be out for a year it's out now I've become friends over PC mag we're trying to get a two run right now they have all kinds of buggy issues with -- trying to get it on netbooks -- got to last night.
Working with a source code is not exactly easy.
It's not turn keys -- -- trying to put on these netbooks having problems within won't launch properly so even try to get get it up and running at this point they're saying hey.
Here's all the you know here all the cuts and bruises on this thing.
Which is what they do right now so what do we think about some of the experiences let's take a look at some of the photos are you mentioned some of the -- The tab look.
Let's stick to look at some screen shots of what the OS will look like this is a different way I guess of looking at.
A browser Xperia you know operating system experience which is not have having the dock at the bottom as you pointed out.
You can see these tabs up at the top.
How is that the how is that betters a better.
I could be in and net book.
-- obviously on my seventeen inch MacBook Pro I would hate it but it.
I think in that and that environments it could work out really well it will take some getting used to it obviously.
But I always find myself and I've heard other people say the same thing.
Just getting really frustrated with trying to do the same things they do on night mine no book on -- book and so it's just.
I think it could work -- obviously I have to play with it to figure out a bit.
If it's a viable solution but.
Yeah I'm liking what I see so far Italy's.
Here's what Google needs to do they need to make sure that there is no instance where this thing fails because.
And if I'm on the play but if I -- under ground to find somewhere that I can't get online.
If my computer bricks if I can't do something you know even if it's like.
If you don't have offline mail for example were -- read all -- that I got if the Internet -- suffered second and everything disappears.
If you know something happened with my Google account and I can't use my computer.
To get back to the store right away you know that someone made it kind of -- on -- yesterday what happens if Google suspend your Gmail account is local talk service you know ya gonna get it -- -- -- the whole computer.
Can't fall apart at that point.
That's -- who really have to figured out that there's no case where I put this thing open and it doesn't work or else it's it's -- -- forget it.
-- number of Google outages lately are -- Gmail outages lately.
With some with limited explanation some of larger explanation.
But are we making too much though of Gmail outages.
I mean look we how many times we wait for a train -- five minutes late and we have to deal with this or how long we have to wait in lines because we -- -- because one register as an open while some woman standing back -- in the -- which.
You know like.
We deal with this type of thing all the time -- making too much of that.
I think -- geeks but -- stuff just right so early adopters don't care if you can't get it while you're in an F sixteen you can't get Gmail lawyer and an F sixteen.
Nothing and I think you know this is like when we have ruined when Amazon -- -- for an hour whatever America.
And losing millions -- -- I'll go get toilet yeah an hourly and where's my order of toilet pay but that's self.
-- that's kind of a website I think people may have a different take when it's their actual computer itself you know when it's -- -- my my iPhone doesn't work.
I get really -- again at AT&T and I think about you know -- Vivendi's something new here.
And I think at my computer doesn't work just wanting a one -- that doesn't work I can go to sending off on -- -- at the computer doesn't work I think that's a different situation.
We think about that do you get frustrated.
Do get angry when is that when you about it just like that you sort of accepted as part of the process and look I mean how many times to our computers crash I mean how how many times do you have a Mac the crashes.
-- -- -- how many times you have a windows system that needs to reboot.
-- be part of that.
Well -- -- shiny happy so -- -- getting very.
It -- in other ways -- I.
I did get frustrated obviously because.
I'm an early adapter if that happens I use everything at the same time so -- I get frustrated.
But I always bad bad ones -- complain on Twitter.
To that -- -- -- -- mountains there has been down for an hour and a half.
Then I set back my kind of calmed down and I think that's just kind of the pattern that we all follow it's important for early adopters and you get frustrated with things and say.
In this can't happen because then.
If it continues to happen in the mainstream audience walls -- adopted either so I think that's important part of the process.
At the same time we do have to just kind of.
Deal with stuff that doesn't work because.
And -- yeah you're right about that let's get a little more esoteric though -- this idea of being stateless or not having all of our stuff live on a computer and that way and of course they said they're gonna go solid state drives.
It's going to be in a way that's just basically like cashing web sites -- this -- experience where were able to jump shuffle through all these different applications pretty quickly.
What does that say -- for Microsoft we had a question here on Twitter asking.
What do you see Microsoft doing compete with a free OS like Google Chrome OS when one of -- -- living in a clown basically.
That's and that's something that Microsoft is really gonna have to learn how to adapt to because.
Kind of thrived over the years at the idea that you have one or two computers that's kind of your home base.
And everything -- can live off that one computer.
Apple -- does the same thing I mean they have a great and Michael -- which we did you earlier he didn't make this point all the time.
Apple -- sink and think right now is between your computer and your iPod or your iPhone it's it's one device to another.
But where -- -- kind of LeapFrog these guys -- the idea that you're not thinking between your computer.
And your phone your syncing between your computer and the Internet.
And your phone and the Internet and Google is kind of that big it is the white cord between your phone you're on your computer in your iPod you know.
So I don't know that's quite where we're normal people are right now I think normal people are still at this at the stage where they maybe are thinking a lot more between their.
There one computer in their divisive mean you think about chrome OS.
-- even Google Android like.
-- the music gonna come from is that it's not coming all from the cloud its -- a lot of it's -- -- -- -- come from your computer on the same with chrome OS and unify wanna.
To listen to a song on my netbook on a plane somewhere and I that are -- where is that coming from you know -- -- -- -- -- There's no iTunes -- where my getting all this stuff from.
But they did a real point of saying this is for netbooks so does the person who has an iPhone once in their music the person is using a G1 phone and wanna -- their music 300.
It's at the divisive and use a netbook or are we moving thinking yeah I -- -- -- that as their main maybe their main computer is this.
I got the sense from his speech yesterday that this was this is netbooks right netbooks notebooks netbooks.
And that's all they're caring about it but yeah this means for now right now our -- but obviously got to get it working -- -- -- it worked out of quitting on.
People who can use pretty much only in that book I don't know how they do it because I could never do that -- A home.
If they'd -- primarily take this to work and any time they go out and abouts.
So and it's possible that they might -- -- think it using but I don't know that that's the majority either.
Probably one of the things that they suggested the speech I thought -- was interest in which was look we're not in them.
Processor will we don't -- Google tried to look at what other people are doing and then try to react that way we try to do would be sort of trend setters and our own way and of course I'm paraphrasing the -- which was laid out.
I thought that was an interest in point that.
All right naysayers began.
And yes I guess and look -- all look like fools and we don't think that there are right.
I -- look at stock share right now I mean they've done some things right so.
If we're all going to be living in the cloud -- a lot of people say we're not going to be because you just can't rely on -- maybe there's all maybe they're on the something of this.
Absolutely I mean there's absolutely no reason in the world for approval -- chartered to.
May just like a copy of windows there's there's no reason for them to do that -- their whole motivation here is.
-- -- guess right and this is where the future is Pia and in the meantime no matter what happens people and Microsoft are freaking out right now you don't have a lot of this is not just.
Hopefully getting a lot of people use Google services and -- Google OS but a lot of it is let's disrupt Microsoft lets you know.
Make them lose focus on what they're doing or or try to reinvent themselves and hopefully kind of slip a little bit.
That that's the plan a lot where this is coming from and a lot of the other things they're they're working on two but definitely Cuomo us.
Did -- rates pretty simple maybe -- needs to partner with streaming music provider like rhapsody but then again when you're in an airplane.
Or today and Houston's needs when you're underground in the summer when you're the submarine and it -- -- out there anyway -- -- get access to the streaming music.
I mean I -- -- one in the subway I'd love to -- listen to pandora all the time you know I so I just listen to music natively on my my iPhone app.
I think it's that person.
Sarah real life Sarah writes.
Well teaching new chrome OS who chrome -- looks really cool so the web browser becomes your OSS -- really.
That's -- really accurate.
It's kind of -- yeah.
-- well not opposites kind of -- She's -- mix yes so I mean I guess the real question I had this question yesterday from some -- what if I wanted to.
You know do needed documents -- what I wanted to.
You know have -- -- yeah I mean exits all Google -- and number I'm just living in the cloud presentation will presentations right I want future PowerPoint presentation.
I mean you have to -- me pretty hard to find building a PowerPoint presentation.
And I'm gonna travel somewhere I'm gonna build this thing -- arrive on stage and -- this thing up on the podium.
And I take it on line.
You know I mean I guess.
-- I guess you can save it locally.
But you know if you're relying like down on something you know that was in the cloud.
Yeah at this point it has its -- does that man looks completely -- and let's look at our -- OK because you obviously early adopters.
Heavy heavy geeks here.
What is your typical day look like for for.
Computer usage means that you're crazy -- injured you know uploading all kinds of video -- You're crazy and I did.
You know crazy up -- and Dallas but just a typical Internet daily -- visiting in New York.
Typical Internet day for you mean -- -- jump in an email browsing the web or are you doing a lot of stuff natively.
I -- when -- travel -- now that's completely different thing about it normally on iron when I'm at home at the studio.
I am constantly on me now upon science -- counseling on.
On my browser.
And I use Google bucks a lot to actually so that would work well for me.
I use keynote -- for my presentations and I don't think I could move to Google presentations.
But I used to tweet -- for Twitter so I want that native desktop app.
-- -- Yeah I and of course like he said I do a lot of uploading and downloading but.
Other than that I am constantly constantly using my computer.
Both low collapse hands.
On the on the web -- -- -- I'm the least exciting computer user -- computer I have to desktop computers one in my desk at home.
One of my desk at work I don't think anything between them.
-- accept my email.
I have a phone I don't think any he barely anything between my phone on my computers I'm very boring I hate laptops.
I used desktop so big screen so you know and -- I never buy -- netbook.
I may be interest in the tablet for.
-- the reading in in gaming aspects of it and may be watching movies on a plane.
Yeah I'm I'm -- As much just like kind of focus on technology all day I'm basically just sitting in front of one big terminal -- a time.
Actually has me in -- threshold because I is -- hosted by them yeah I mean I can say is all of -- -- to use mobile me.
And -- I did for awhile but -- island.
-- is wrong because values mean I have Gmail course and I have my life seems to do everything now in Google you know and five with a podcast -- -- who group's page and I use you know Google -- for different collaborations stuff and I'm using.
Google Voice all the time you know.
But I mean -- use Gmail.
For my iPhone but I don't -- mobile me so I have -- just be forwarding to a mobile me accounts of the that's it you know all within the mobile me ecosystems are wrong.
Why judges I want it all went plays -- -- multiple email address that right popping back in for that my Fox News you know doesn't hop back and forth through all these.
I just want I want the I -- finally have one catch all.
You know email client or just one spot weren't getting all my counts and 11 box.
I use -- claim on and says the Mac it's at the mail Kathleen yeah mail MA IL plane like -- saint it.
And so actually it it it doesn't kind of combine them all that it combines them in -- one out and then you can switch between Irene now the chances and I really really like that so it's something that like that was on the iPhone yeah I would be how often is checking is an Emanuel checkered incidents.
I was constantly check I think every two minutes.
Besides checking on all your house seat in scene when something's coming and -- different in boxing don't have to switch back to warrant if you're expecting something.
Interest and hit it.
-- -- -- -- -- I today I knew that I need a solution so writes that rhapsody can cash songs locally that might allow it to work offline for temporary periods that's what I'm liking that most the biggest problem right now is how we -- our music coming after.
-- -- -- -- -- Wolf -- and I wanted to talk finally about blue chrome OS sort of market I mean I'm curious you know how this -- apple -- -- -- Microsoft at large would look at 2010 you're saying obviously.
Things could change dramatically by them but how would have changed dramatically with this mythical Apple Tablet you called a unicorn -- -- like yesterday.
You know if it's gotten pushed back to middle of 2010 this so called Apple Tablet or.
Those types of devices that will run an operating system what does that do to a mean is.
Should apple be worried should Microsoft be worried how we see this playing out over the next year.
Well first of all.
Either of those markets are still very small you know we focus a lot netbooks because we're kind of nerdy and because.
They're small they're kind of cute but.
That I can't very laid back like children.
It's a fast growing market but it still.
Fairly small cap com and so you know Microsoft obviously wants to own that market they way they were not -- any PC market.
So if they lost I don't know ten point 2% of that market to -- -- chrome OS.
They would not freak out.
Apple Tablet same story like you know what it's cool that might be something that you know maybe a million people -- in the first year the grand scheme of things that's still very small market.
Who knows I mean you any of these things can happen and -- I could come out with a often Kindle in the year that.
It has a color touch screen into the lot of different things that this whole idea of a small very portable device that does a lot of different things.
Could come from anywhere it could be something that a lot of people gravitate to depending on pricing and kind of -- durability.
Or could be nothing and we can keep this -- thing where we are right now where there's book readers that separate from your laptop which is kind of separate from your netbook which is less powerful.
Obviously ever wants a piece of it Microsoft of course has the most marketshare right now the most to lose -- and around the kind of fun for scraps right now.
Hands on life and taking.
For chrome OS.
Well I developer's -- -- I mean.
My understanding is that because this is being made for totally new hardware.
That it just takes a -- make hardware I mean you know they came out with that kind of them.
The first preview and when -- so let me get this straight because as people are trying to put on -- now trying to work out bugs on an issue it's not -- -- it's.
Will not be able to insult -- from the ordeal you'll only be able to -- -- -- with Cuomo actually islanders.
This has had something that I just glanced at it in the -- If you wanna try it and download it now it is what he's talking about I think you can kind of run it right as you know it.
And related somehow but I don't think you can install it as your primary operating system.
You'll be able to the lesson maybe there's some hack that'll come on you know who knows maybe two days -- someone -- have let that happen at some kind of -- Okay so here yeah techcrunch has an interesting article right now thanks -- point and here's what.
Because it's open source you have a chance -- -- -- yourself unfortunately most people aren't ready to undertake a daunting task of actually taking Google's recently open source code.
Turning into a bootable computer so we put together a step by step guide to doing this for free.
In around fifteen minutes depending on how long.
It takes to download the US itself.
No this won't get you can be computer booting chrome OS natively and frankly you probably wouldn't want to yet anyway.
But it will get it up and running in a virtual machine and that's what the folks over PC -- Osaka last night have been doing.
In a virtual -- machine using the free software virtual box which is available for Macs PCs and -- next.
Few caveats here though.
We didn't they see you -- tech -- -- -- we didn't create -- -- Build ourselves it was downloaded from -- so in theory could have been tweaked by some malicious hackers do you Google account information.
And they don't try it -- haven't.
And I didn't drive -- -- yeah thank you for throwing that out there.
-- -- so yes so this is something that some nerds might do but -- real peace and not really be able to use chrome OS until they buy a completely new device so.
You know eventually if Google wants to get into.
That you know.
Your computer work for something like that -- more things move.
To this cloud idea yeah that's an opportunity for them take a lot of share from Microsoft or whoever but right now this is still very much.
-- small things.
What we -- you're talking about chrome as a browser experience has been a lot of people asking what browser and I always have to throw this out there very often can't access certain things and I always find it's because -- using Internet explore.
Always yes he even Internet Explorer eight not even an older version of -- and -- the -- whatever happens to be who knows.
So I just was home for a few days for an early Thanksgiving.
This past week but my family and tolerance of an interesting story.
I know well because after work straight through a -- Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday of next week so.
Anyway I was home I installed Windows 7 on my parents older you know older PCs got a new PC up and running for my parents and and -- Windows 7 on -- as a dad you're not using -- and explore -- I refuse to allow you to do this so we put in chrome he was blown away by -- -- -- believe.
How fast it was he couldn't believe and I always say when people ask me on a PC use chrome on a Mac -- use safari but until we get.
Chrome OS era chrome four for -- so what do you guys use you as use chrome as a browser.
IAEA use chrome but I primarily still use Firefox and had a violent because it's hard to get me to switch my habits but I want to plug and he's used in a lot of -- don't actually -- -- I have a lot installed but I don't actually use them so now I'm trying to move to crown because I love crowds of fast yeah.
-- you got.
You know what I've I've been using Firefox basically straight for the last five years and four years sick you're sick and I am.
It's become so bloated and yeah might have -- that reminds me of Netscape communicators we thought okay -- will wait ten minutes.
So we'll go get a -- is our publishing platform at the office is.
Only works on fire -- right now so I've been from nagging my.
Programmers to get it working on safari.
Or -- -- -- we could do stuff with -- on the iPhone and safari and I'm also gonna try the new can be you know which is basically Mac a five version of Firefox.
But I'm -- you know the Firefox itself for me and -- really losing my patience takes.
Forever to load some stuff when I type in address -- -- the search through my history and these are things that I could figure out some.
Place -- have to delete a bunch distort information or changes setting but.
People shouldn't have to do that I mean this -- yeah when your software engineer company you should be making stuff that out of the box works well forever yup so.
And that's what my dad -- to use these bookmarks is a real threat to -- real state bookmarks folder for that boom he's right in there very easily and I showed him he might get as one of those guys who didn't understand that.
You like hell opened on a web page.
And he thinks he needs to close it out to go into his email them to respond and an open up something that's -- tabs.
I showed him how to really start using tabs on a regular basis and getting used to that chrome experience to be an -- more manipulate them because they -- as a separate instance -- movements you know move them around so but isn't amazing kind of eye opening that stuff that we take for granted it really is kind of times they were for us.
Most people -- still.
And not kind of picked up on -- Cleveland back -- you know I find that on FOX & Friends about seven months ago I did a segment on backups and found that.
You know studies have shown that only about 7% of people are backing up and that's on a good year of they're actually back -- they did a poll online on foxnews.com.
We had you know hundreds of thousands people respond and the percentages were even lower than that for people who backed up so.
Did a back -- segment on that.
If people went out bought different hard drives and things and -- started using it on a regular basis someone lost all of their photos of the week before that they don't understand that but we take that for granted.
You know -- any -- of them.
But you know this is something Microsoft could be a leader in there that aren't in the apple has their kind of back up system but you.
Lot of most people don't match those and -- most people.
This is somewhere Microsoft -- Part of their kind new strategy should be.
Some sort of back up hardware and indeed they make some nice hardware they make -- that I like to make Xbox this is somewhere I think they could become a leader.
And kind of take their new you know as people get Windows 7 victory by -- bathtub toys if you -- Microsoft retail store.
-- -- -- people you know I lost a lot of my stuff a year ago.
In a hard drive crash and I still -- stuff up so.
I don't know -- Didn't find -- because people trust Microsoft when they're shopping eight you know as non geeks.
And people who just get those laptops or the right up top.
They pretty much trust what they're being told them that area so I think they could.
It -- cahoots with the data recovery -- on the at danger.
All right real -- eight races is my brother just got chrome OS for a -- a virtual machine didn't have to buy anything new says it's slick.
I today's the first person I've heard -- got it up and running and doesn't have an issue with it that way but when -- you what do you do think you're on web browser.
I guess I.
I don't know what else yeah.
-- -- what else you gonna do today -- factor here.
Yeah well to reintroduce our guests are you Dan from a -- -- deputy editor of the business insider Cali Lewis of course a host of geek brief dot TV what are you working on an -- he -- Well they took -- -- -- -- geek brief but while we're in New York.
Trying vacation but trying to -- of youth to have you view the working I have.
And I have yet we're just we're -- and where and who are constantly trying to improve and do better and have.
Have a fantastic show -- Weird part of daily viewing for me so checking -- -- and I'm always reading with -- writing what you guys are working on what you guys working on right now there.
-- look at growing we're we're recently -- some -- staff covering Silicon Valley and also the media industry so we're going to be kind of growing from our.
You know we've been around -- two and a half years started covering your -- -- -- -- become a global tech -- and digital media be.
And now we're expanding into more some of the other traditional media you know like.
-- one side and also Silicon Valley and the other side where we actually have someone there covering start up -- stuff like that so.
Let's dive -- -- -- -- big stories making news this week of course some of those leaks that boy genius report got about Apple's Black Friday deals and then Yahoo! picked up on a more broad story about some of these other tech leaks about.
What we can expect from some great prices on Black Friday.
And looks like some steep discounts at the Apple Store was at third really pull this up -- a 30% off.
30% off Max.
030% off all iPods with an asterisk that -- iphones or shuffle here and announce -- -- 125% off all Max I was just about to buy one of the -- 27 inch IMAX.
And I saw this and it's stop me because I thought -- wait now I have to wait a week to see if this is going to be true.
How do we -- -- -- two weeks and -- -- not shipping bit.
Yeah that's another thing so I had to wait another time so I don't room.
Literature all I wanna be the the bearer of bad news but I'm calling BS on.
First of all I read a lot of comment threads they say the background image on this sad it is.
A freely available background image that a lot of people have used for other things.
Apple would not call it in their own merchandise -- their own advertising the Apple iPhone that just wouldn't do that and they also.
When they say shuffle they use a lower case -- and apple being an extreme perfectionist company would not make the mistake of making an upper case that's.
Provided much I call BS on this I think they will have Black Friday sales.
I think that they're not going to be that steep discount that we see here and boy genius report has really great sourcing in the mobile industry but I don't think this is real.
-- taken a stand what do you think.
BS -- them idea I mean I saw that I was thinking this is probably just made because.
Well I didn't know about the ads on the shuffle but that the ball land they've but it isn't yeah we'll find it.
-- right there.
Yeah I would hope I would hope you have Christmas time I'm -- -- -- have great deals but you know Baghdad so.
It is easily do -- price seeing me do you know they really don't know a hundred bucks offer something like that but it especially that point seven inch I mean that's so -- that that is right now I don't think that's gonna get.
Much cheaper I think they're gonna try to put some other stuff -- Netbooks and things like that.
And I just ordered -- point seven -- and it's not shipping till December anyway since when you get DI seven.
Seven he did want to.
You're not that exciting as from a computer -- understand I need speed and learning that you can't let me right now semi crazy any speed that it doesn't have benchmark testing today because I looked at some on bench very deep bench or whatever -- -- MacWorld just posted there's last -- to it looks really nice to me it's pretty much outperformed.
Any iMac obviously ever made with even beating some of the Mac pros which.
Really impressive in the in the 27 inch screen has -- pixel density that'll blow your mind and think -- got -- really excited today talking minutes when he moved BI center.
I love that I yeah.
I thought I canceled that didn't give me for the guys that -- and yesterday I thought about canceling going back to the -- five but it's torn about so whatever.
-- -- -- -- Would you use -- you using your seventieth MacBook are you doing a lot of stuff.
But at the studio.
For our for editing he briefly -- Mack Brown yeah it's it's.
Not the latest step that but.
The previous update before that and so I think they have it fixed it by program and everything and even looking at the Mac Pro.
Bad -- -- he's pretty is almost identical now.
-- the I seven right.
Is it beating the Mac Pro now that's what I thought I thought a few of those ten yeah which which not at bats kind of -- stuff I think -- ram but still.
-- Austrian president -- between consumers kitty in your screen right and a whole big box on the floor.
This is a really impressive machine for mamma Mia you know.
-- for two grand to get -- like the best monitor they sell and also.
A really good iMac is kind of made.
And especially because you'll be able to use that screen as as a source for another computer to so and three years when this thing is pretty much -- -- for me.
Then who knows I could get another iMac and maybe use that as a second screen from them.
And speaking of video and another story this week I thought was interesting we can jump into and obviously you live in the video world quite extensively that FaceBook has now become the third most popular video.
Site for uploaded videos who did this blow anyone else I completely shocked I just -- single -- -- on base really ever I'm right there with you.
Have you you know this is one of those things where they're just so big that they're going to be in the top three and everything's gonna be -- huge player in.
Search someday -- to be an and that's one of the reasons Microsoft invested in them.
Probably by far the biggest photo sharing site you know you think about a -- photos are really small and ugly and they.
You know that they -- -- my very nice that's all our pictures from -- -- I'm quite garbage.
You know let's Facebook it's what 300 million people -- on -- so they're going to be taking video and because he gets a dozen.
At her home how good quality as we see this all the time that people aren't so concerned with high definition when the -- and a little cameras -- -- doing these things.
The other uploading these videos from parties and so forth it's not as -- forget his name chase what's his name the F photographer guy.
Who had the new book out called.
That the best camera is the one you have with you.
-- -- Quoting here I know you -- about these new -- out he's an app for the iPhone is a really great -- by the way a photography app for the iPhone called the best camera and have.
Heard people yeah that's really -- got all -- and all kinds of needs filters you can upload directly to Twitter and so forth from there but again maybe this is FaceBook is the site that's the best site you have with you you always have a way yet on any portable device so naturally be a video site.
Yeah I think it's impressive that I am shocked yeah do you share a lot of stuff on FaceBook -- mean or is it to walled off for you in what you're doing.
For me and in my position I can't use FaceBook like.
-- like most people use it's I can't pay attention because I kept all my.
And many new friends me accept them back in -- -- 5000 people right but.
Yes I I don't really use FaceBook like I would if I were just -- violent -- on TV game and you have my own video shows and stuff.
She -- this is where I'm very proud.
Because I have never accepted FaceBook request of someone who I don't consider like a plan that's why you cannot be denied I can use.
Oh god -- OK Mark Cuban is only one but yeah.
That's how that I can use FaceBook like the rest of us here and I do put all kinds of stuff on their links -- -- I actually worry about putting too much on there as I don't want people to get sick of me because I fill up the whole activity feed but.
I do use it in a way that's more personal because I'd kind of -- those people that I'm associated with them FaceBook.
Twitter completely different you know I'm happy to put stuff on Twitter and know that the whole world will see -- the FaceBook I've.
Kind of kept my in my innocence -- And and it and I see other people using it that way I mean I don't know if my friends from college and high school are gonna use Twitter ever the way that.
Reporters and other media people do but they are definitely using FaceBook for links and videos and that.
Rikaart right rights debrief is the best great show and always informative and -- Kelly that's -- free thanks -- they trick for that appreciate that.
And Twitter how do you guys use Twitter I mean now with his -- we feature that's going -- -- quite a bit of controversy this week.
-- latest outburst because the controversy is over the way in which the whole structure of it is -- is laid out with.
The web application.
Of the re tweet so it's got the little.
Weird almost like a recycling logo hat you know with the re tweet which makes sense and you re tweeting someone -- content but you're not allowed to -- it.
Because Twitter is response has been in the API.
Third party developers they're gonna have their way with that they're gonna make you make it over but this is caused quite -- fury this week why -- -- -- everyone so upset about this.
Understand why everybody's that's one I've always had a problem with -- tweets because I get frustrated when I'll retreat something.
That I would never do or say or anything and then people think.
-- your money and that's a really frustrating part of the re -- as it happened organically.
But so I I kind of -- that they made something official where you can't worry worries see somebody's profile so it's obviously not.
For example me.
I obviously don't like the ability to not arrogant an ability to comment on that the tweet but.
That's that's OK with me I'm willing to compromise there -- I don't really understand why everybody yeah it seems like a silly thing to be upset about but because -- Everyone was because everyone's just started this and I love about it everyone started re tweeting how much -- -- -- -- we feature.
Great deal of problem of -- Come on Twitter dorks are always going to be Twitter -- they're gonna get mad about any new feature that comes out.
I think there's a few reasons why -- -- this one because Twitter is you know people and in the valley and they think they know better than anyone else but also because.
There is a couple problems with the kind of non official -- -- one of them is that you could impersonate someone else by re tweeting something that they didn't actually say.
OK what -- and probably not going to be used that maliciously because.
You have a reputation on Twitter and what you do with that is what you do -- another one is just that's not very elegant you know if it's at the messages too long you have to edited to make it shorter.
I'm sure there are people out there who it's who measure their tweet -- So that they can be retiring their iron to limit the after they -- them are there.
And I it.
Com I have well what I want to give credit to the person who originally said something right there the one who are funny or or Smart or something like that.
I don't know what's gonna happen here I mean they're gonna have to figure out a way for you to annotated or make comment on it because that's.
What kind of grown to become the whole point like.
I don't re tweak anything -- -- it's really hilarious or.
I can -- really in Miami too yeah -- really useful asset in this blog posts that that would be the next up for yet but they just wanted to release the bad.
Here's what I knew that it was not understood by every one -- this was even only like a month ago.
FOX & Friends viewer had written and said you know there's returning.
Sister is going through -- it needs like cancer treatment and is trying to raise money and stuff you know if anyone out there would you mind.
Helping out -- whatever gets you get the point get the message -- so.
I -- we did that this person sister is dying needs help or whatever was.
And then I got a lot of tweets backs and I hope your sister's recovery and a yeah I think this wasn't my sister but I appreciate the sentiment you know.
But it is don't realize that they haven't realized that our T.
Is the language of that we've sort of taken for granted measures -- that would be useful.
I didn't Twitter has a long way to go I think in.
The language and big culture you know win in new people comment because I constantly I did at twelve.
Days of -- -- series and I think I'm Claudia does -- help explain everything.
But I -- still I get.
People constantly asking me questions what the heck is -- I don't understand I get on there.
And I don't know what to do yeah so there's a long way to go because it has been so organic growth.
There there really isn't any way to figure out without -- -- him doing it so I'm in the gallery treat things just happen out.
And another part of the growth -- talking about is they change the what are you up to and commentary for what you're doing to what's happening.
And they wanted to make it shorter I guess presumably make -- shorter or because they're big fan of that show.
-- Which I was so.
Do we care they pointed out that people organizations and businesses quickly became began ignoring the original question.
Seemingly on a quest to both ask and answer a different more immediate question.
So they weren't.
-- Twitter was they were studying this and does so they were studying this looking this and -- if people weren't saying what are you doing in -- they were asked answering a question anymore so they weren't saying on the way to grocery store they were saying.
I'm thinking I don't know.
I'm confused -- about I'm -- something or ELR I'm with us so really wasn't an answer to that question so now it's what's happening.
It's perfect -- is a better solution.
And I think more or less people will be intimidated by and questioning why am I doing here.
Yeah I might be using Twitter now I can explain what's happening on him this and joined with -- and -- show independent and so somebody goes is into pop culture for example this morning that they would have -- and for the first time what's happening.
Miley Cyrus is -- just got -- and -- deathly crash.
So he had then then that gives them some of -- go I think as opposed to what you do.
And I think a lot of people just really stumbled over that question are you guys you -- I think it's hilarious that we're talking about this is really not a Big Ten.
Good question -- now it's shorter.
And it's also way for them to sell that during the Super Bowl to Budweiser and change it to what.
And I can see that the access.
Let's talk about an ad that was run this week finally.
But I filing but we'll get to actually it's effective video real quickly I want some of the flip cam some supplies and hardware news this week and we -- -- have come yesterday take a look at some.
Nothing new that was really there.
-- -- on the -- there -- a couple of things it seems as if most companies right now waiting for Consumer Electronics Show.
Holding back on some of these devices.
But one -- -- hardware news that I thought was fascinating in the game especially because we saw an ad rolled out this week for the first time.
The flip cam that was a first time I'd seen a flip cam commercial and up until this week you -- -- these commercials.
And they're just little videos and -- -- viral videos.
Still might be just two guys sitting there like slanderous stuff on a sandwich.
And then the person on the cameramen.
Yeah that's disgusting and then just hear the little the sound effect to the flip -- -- are you flipping -- you use and flip it's it's all these small little tiny videos and there.
They're really capturing what is what has become this market which is he small videos of people posting the FaceBook now it's getting Wi-Fi that's -- news the week.
Seems like an answer to these sudden.
Influx of videos.
From the iPhone 3GS to YouTube -- am -- wrong about -- not I think you're absolutely -- ending this would have been a nice feature for flip to have two years ago.
But I'm I'm really worried about -- and maybe this is maybe I'm ahead of the game but for me you know flip cool really nice products you know.
Glad that they were able -- -- -- company for millions of dollars and runaway.
But cam corder is becoming an -- It's becoming an app on your your phone right -- on your iPod.
You know a lot of different stuff and I don't know if people are gonna necessarily for much longer buy -- separate.
Small Connecticut devices beyond that HD is not that good so it's not like you're buying it because you're gonna make a movie in HD with that.
And you know you you have a phone with the cam -- you're gonna carry around a separate -- -- -- -- Yeah I love the flip cam and I -- I have one I use it a lot.
But I don't like having to carry multiple devices you know I've been using if I go to a conference or something I and abusing the Kodak CIA now yet because got a microphone and -- -- can run right it's my new little quick review and running gun.
And use that and added later and then uploaded music for fox but I don't.
Yeah I don't want -- have all these devices I don't have a purse.
Forehand or a man bag to so I don't know I really I mean yeah they need Wi-Fi and Cisco's network gear company lets not forget that they want -- using Wi-Fi.
And everything course -- I don't know I'm skeptical about the long term future of -- we think.
Hi I'm not a skeptical of everybody else but I I understand the whole.
Convergence thing -- -- obviously -- to everything to be in one device but I do carry my flip around with me you know.
I carry it around with me personally is.
As a way to take pictures of food and -- This.
-- -- -- Our own -- he can remember yeah.
Say your member -- that can blog about it islanders who did or whatever and if so.
And I don't always get what I want out of the iphone's camera or you know the jury -- so I like having that ability and so I don't.
I see a lot of people that are -- really excited about the flip camera and just regular consumers.
Not geeks so I think -- you know it'll trend with us geeks saying.
In convergence -- convergence but then it may be old tape for five years.
Yeah I ever in my head I was slow and around the idea of a two year time span for this because.
Right now we get what two hours on the flip ultra HD.
You two hours of a video and -- -- HD is not 1080 what is actually candidates had a yesterday -- 1080.
A lot -- and it's sure it's not say.
It's not Scorsese and the noon.
But it's still two hours you cannot get that on an iPhone for and you can't get that on some of these other devices so there's still this lack of convergence -- we'd like there'd be one device that hasn't.
But may be long term strategy I don't know maybe it becomes.
I don't know what happens to pure digital who is an acre of course are so wacky politics -- maybe it becomes a Smartphone.
Yeah I -- let that -- -- you know with the android on this thing and then you know or an iPod Touch kind of thing where it's not a phone phone but it -- an -- -- I think you're always -- gonna have those families who want one of those devices TV is that the kids could be you know.
Who knows it'll be interesting to see let's talk about AT&T this week finally firing back at Verizon for those got a map adds.
And here was an -- I think we have it no we get Woodson and little bit late.
We got it featuring.
Luke Wilson but take a look.
Who offers the best three G experience let's compare well as the nation's fastest three G network.
Which network lets you talk and surf the web at the same time.
AT&T for most popular Smartphones.
To access to over a 100000 apps.
Name that starts with the letter V.
They cannot want when you compare there's no comparison AT&T a better 3-D experience now get 50% off the Samsung touch screen phones after meeting only -- What's genuine disingenuous about this.
All of it.
You know they've got to do something and there they have money you spend they found Luke Wilson yeah I guess I got out.
The point is this is that advertising you know if that's the perception perception is reality -- AT&T is -- probably convincing a few people that it's not as bad as Verizon says it is.
Now that's it.
All right the -- lawyers will fight it out on their own court.
I guess and this thing is and I think when we talked to some British some British tech journalists they're blown away by.
In the marketplace for advertising in the way in which we get away -- here in the United States.
With putting out things that aren't accurate or factual in our advertising.
I mean I don't know -- do you get to travel over England a lot now so if you get to see some of these ads over there -- we led to believe that everything we're hearing them when watching that we can sit there and say -- That's all accurate I believe everything I'm seeing on television.
I find it hard to believe that that's the way it -- the way it works over there.
My favorite sites the -- showing that the picture of the food product and then when it actually looks like a play in Germany or whatever you know it's.
I don't know I don't I think that people are skeptical but he -- TV advertising that definitely listen to it -- -- -- act on it.
But I don't know this is to phone companies talk about how the other one sucks that's been going on forever now.
Back and forth back and forth 100 like 1800 collect vs 1800 colleague -- -- -- you know.
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