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Joining me now is professor Butler Schaefer who teaches at the southwestern university school of law and whose latest book is called boundaries of order.
Professor -- it's a pleasure welcome to freedom watch.
The later on my way -- end of -- thank you.
One of my favorite stories is also one of yours and ended it it shows the -- and that you so clearly and wonderfully articulated in the piece from which I just quoted Martha Stewart and an FBI agent.
Are having an informal conversation in an FBI field office where there are other people in the office as well.
During the course of the conversation.
He says to her she's not a target.
Of a criminal investigation.
And she tells him about -- that -- sold on a specific day and whether or not she authorized to being sold.
He lied to her.
And she lied to him.
He kept his job.
And she went to jail.
-- what is it about the government.
That if we lied to the government we can be prosecuted and incarcerated.
Even at the government -- knows were lying and no one was harmed but at the government lies to us.
There is no response whatsoever.
Right I suppose that goes back to the basic definition of government has been -- and -- -- a monopoly on the use supports.
Monopolize that or that budget thing.
You know we won't be treated by a different standard than Crabtree -- But -- wing it when you think about it.
The people who work for the government in that in a democracy.
Work for us so they're our employees.
That went how could we possibly tolerate what employer would go along with -- employee.
Knowingly lying to him with impunity and the government does it every day in a million way.
Right we we we talk about the big relationship of -- principle of agent and and we give people a little bit of both all of -- -- a government official who spoke in he would have been riveted and worked our own government.
Unfortunately it does we were just talking with the idea.
-- any constitutional -- running for the Republican nomination for governor in Texas by the name -- Debra Medina and she was.
Telling me about some horror stories involving.
Wasn't the ending of the kilos story sort of a fitting mockery.
Of the opinion itself he -- had a woman that lived and a house that her family had owned for longer than she had been alive.
The city of New London, Connecticut.
Condemns the house to sell -- to a private developer so that the developer can develop a parking lot.
For -- -- drug manufacturer Pfizer they take the house are about to develop the parking lot.
And the drug manufacturer leaves town.
You know this is normal big problem but the whole -- of -- -- visits.
Are part I think being questioned and some -- -- over the Michigan Supreme Court.
In the poll found case couple years ago had upheld the power of the state to take some land to turn over to.
Cleveland General Motors.
And about this time oh by the year little over a year ago they had another case where they completely reversed and -- -- -- but no more work.
You know it's it's funny how -- how property rights cuts across.
The ideological spectrum.
As you know I was a judge in the New Jersey court system arguably the most progressive upper case.
Yet there are New Jersey Supreme Court opinions absolutely prohibiting.
What they yet what the US Supreme Court allowed the state of Connecticut to do in key -- it is strange.
The corners of this world from which the defense a private property rights sometimes come professor.
Right and they all come back when I start my -- classes that I ever hear the first skater Evan reed is they dread Scott case.
And begin with a question of self ownership you'll own yourself.
And -- from there -- on it everything just kind of all about -- that a -- you'll -- yourself.
Don't you also all -- extensions of yourself but to every bar and ordered -- -- -- and this includes other property forms include some -- income if you were earned and include the holding you were -- everything and that you don't.
Have it it did it come down to them back a little things that went up my book is that -- All of our social relationships.
With one another.
All come down to -- -- the bought property.
Right how and how much of that will let the government take and what will let it air regulate professor Butler Schaeffer it's a pleasure we hope you'll come back thanks for joining us on freedom watch -- thank you.
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