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It -- -- welcome to get to the games it is Friday afternoon I'm your -- -- -- who got a lot to talk about this week we've got a great roundtable of guests today let me jump right in and welcome them onto my left is -- to -- from -- dot com question -- there -- nice to see Stephen welcome -- Clinton.
We're talking -- incidence of -- here it would and one of the geniuses behind games.
Where you can you can TT news updates I think -- -- sitting down step down okay.
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And scopus does support this is at tech editor with popular mechanics dot com -- -- is always ethics guy and he brought his night vision goggles will show -- off a few minutes.
-- driven technology -- from NPD group one of the big brains in the tech industry nice to see it -- and Ross thanks for.
And and we want to say I know you were twittering I was twittering it.
The little surgery there shall be.
The a lot of friends so we -- here on the mend but it's from beating people up -- it's perfect for the I welcome guys let's dive right into -- so we're talking of course the big story this week modern -- for -- called call of duty modern warfare two.
Breaking all kinds -- records looking -- -- the numbers already I mean this thing is.
This thing is already on pace to do you break that 500 million I think they're setting for themselves.
-- they've already said that in the first -- for hours just in North America and the UK that is sold.
310 million dollars for the -- and again.
Four point seven million copies of these game you're seeing.
In terms of the amount of -- they'd been engineered to be LA yeah -- -- like a Halo 3 hype was I think.
Pretty big yeah if you you know you if you step back and you look like something -- -- sports has been -- out there and and more homes -- -- like that that.
Pacman back in the day and this game -- is just about the fastest -- ever come -- in any form of entertainment that -- for games.
It certainly has the advantage of the halo games that look like for like -- with Xbox title.
And really just have a critical threshold of number of sales and get simply because -- only -- Xbox users.
-- -- PlayStation users and it got PC users so it instantly have like a big big adventure gunning for the top spot.
Yeah who has some of these numbers I mean that -- over the over 300 million.
But you know we -- hearing course this year already that.
Videogames are gonna do we were already hurting courses like the end of the year it -- -- mean it was like August July when traditionally don't have that these big game releases because of post.
We're not having is being releases tilt it to the end of the year.
Could this be you things Ross the big -- of all time.
I think you the and a -- position him well and I'm sure Austin tomorrow more for the real -- -- -- -- Walker I mean.
Right so what's the big deal with this you know with the big hype on this game.
Well that and -- call -- super popular what makes the headlines is the revenue is the cells and the controversy which I'm sure we'll get into.
But what I think actually makes against a popular personally people who play it is the multiplayer -- illegally pay attention to.
What we're going to be talking about which elements from the single player campaign -- played as a social experience the plant.
As people played halo and even before that as a sport especially -- creation of their body you know.
-- each other up and you pick a side offensive -- and then with modern warfare the first.
They introduced to all these point systems where you basically level up your character you get more abilities are -- what -- -- -- an incentive to keep playing.
And -- -- does get hooked on this and I know that the game I think about a week at.
Having been out for three days and we are seeing reports of people minority played for 24 hours they found -- -- hours opener of their life they devote to Ottawa for.
Online like that -- -- export.
And the prestige package that he had done the it comes with these nifty night vision goggles which did you offer to model them for us now -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Can now look through them when they -- actually working that vision goggles on with the proceeds it's you could have a lot of fun is if they they -- equivalent to -- -- -- And lo and behold I could see in the dark which he -- every little boys Tennessee but I don't think it is the dream -- salute you look like this is when your.
-- -- -- -- You know but yeah that may lead not not by made by top military -- I -- know this is the finest Chinese plastic you'll find -- -- -- -- right jacks Pacific that's why didn't they made out on.
And they have a line of night vision goggles are -- but that yet -- the prestige edition.
President is escaping.
Me right now but it's well in excess of the sixty dollar asking price for just the itself is even -- I think an eighty dollar hardened edition this is about that so it's.
The ultra -- hard in addition to the heart and -- -- Nelson didn't know if you're really just looking at terms of hype and everything in other management worker has.
-- mean that sells many copies of these sports which is bundled with the -- -- But the players who play it are much more hardcore about the other it's really kind of hard -- people -- he was technically it.
And in terms of just the news cycle in the news interest that really helps get people on the record saying things like this thing 24 straight -- -- it.
Nobody stunning 24 straight hours playing Wii Sports that is -- -- they would be good.
-- waste away they like I thought we had a rough as solar and charisma or the other thing we portfolios are Dahlia.
Yeah that's why I like I have my carpal tunnel as a result of all of my tennis ball went -- -- -- tennis playing.
-- -- -- -- just the ecosystem of you know that the live experience Xbox live with we've seen it recently.
And really seen this update.
We -- -- seen the announcement of the update coming next week for for Xbox Live the experience of having no home.
Theater experience at home media center experience.
I think is many things you can cram into an Xbox that's what we're getting -- FaceBook net.
-- You know wolf certainly these are very powerful devices in the home and they've really opened up a portal for.
All kinds of of digital entertainment we've seen Netflix for example take multiplatform strategy appearing on.
Blu-ray devices and the integrated into television and so.
It's certainly one home where a lot of the services are our burgeoning but.
Not always in the living room so while a lot of these content companies are really hedging their bets across the.
And I -- and is looking at some of the Xbox Live updates that are coming getting to play -- -- a few weeks ago.
Really an exciting stuff being able to stream Netflix instantly.
Not having to go to the super cute -- that information not having to jump into your instant Netflix queue on your computer than jump back you can literally scanned through the movies there and watch him instantly -- -- -- HD.
Equality is beautiful.
On a device like.
If you have -- good enough and there's -- I've had the new firmware for the Xbox it's going live for everybody -- have had -- for few weeks at least Microsoft supplied some folks in the early.
And the good is that yes you can stream 1080 PH David the bad -- that.
First your direct application three Xbox that tells you whether you have a fast enough connection and then when I did not fast enough connection would you view it -- little about it disqualified.
Did what I -- -- my councils play games so apparently it took that.
It I think it's kind of cool because an Xbox light source first launch from the system can only 2005 or 2006 and were -- him out there looking nothing.
Like this and just technology wasn't -- we didn't have streaming Netflix we did have -- we did that FaceBook.
It's really cool to see Microsoft -- -- correct approach to constantly upgrading -- consciously trying to keep it up to date.
With whatever -- they could just put out there kept thinking service senate and they didn't do that that's kind of cool it's become a lot you know a big much bigger part of light -- it.
You know in a story that I suggest you guys -- earlier but don't we can comment on this a little bit which is that Microsoft released a statement but in reacting to.
And sales for the month of October.
That the Xbox-360 console is the hardware leader year over year unit sales and growth.
And looked like Nintendo when he was through personal was a leader -- quite awhile -- having to drop their price half the holiday season.
What happens -- Sony Elvis.
Well -- I mean this -- you know Microsoft for that statement mean growth.
The numbers NPD put out showed that Xbox was number -- -- -- the -- -- console correct.
It was the Wii was the top and then the PS3 for the month of October and on the Xbox 360s that's of the little bit to spend comments saying that incredible growth.
But they're going after and together -- is having some trouble but the PS3 is a system where practicing harder numbers.
Going up and ways they hadn't before I think the -- dropping.
There's also -- I think he does most future proof like it's kind of a forward console that was a little bit ahead of its time both in terms of price and what it's capable of doing.
And other we're getting some decent -- -- and some games instead of multi platform blockbuster -- seems -- country to which rocks.
People are -- -- seek history is kind of a really forward looking -- the console.
So Kevin going to -- some of that video again of modern warfare -- have with some of the guys who spent some time playing -- that he had a chance to -- you.
An -- quite a bit and Stephen we know -- probably been.
Playing this for a couple days straight now helplessly sure -- take us through what we're experiencing here from a gaming perspective.
For the first persecuted is in the third level -- -- cliff hanger.
You are private -- -- he'd been brought -- -- an elite military task force here in Russia.
Got a motion -- heartbeat detector on the -- but basically -- big.
Created a game and some of the development -- infinity ward is good that that runs like Michael Bay action movie kind of pace it right now it may look kind of -- said this is a bit of a -- sequence in this in this part of the game.
Word you're just trying to keep.
Sort of hidden in the storm.
But everything's about the break listed a few seconds and things are going to be blowing up undergone snowmobiles being chased by helicopters and that's the problem Michael Bay -- -- bond.
And we saw that demo.
In absolute blown away by that set -- this is it really were seeing this trend in gaming which is it's become a cinema experience even Sony has made jokes and they've done some of their commercials recently around this idea.
Of this cinema experience with a girlfriend doesn't know that it's a game as if he's he's getting immunity -- -- play these games for powerful girlfriend thinks it's a movie unfolding.
-- it's really cool to see that and I think it's most -- when you look at the cut scenes because these days there's really little difference from cussing -- being quite.
Is that you actually look at the original PlayStation and the like final finishing seventh the cut scenes look beautiful and get a look at too but there's this huge kind of hasn't between the nowadays it's so seamless from coaching action that really speaks a lot to -- sort of back that made against themselves that's true I mean -- -- some of -- older games and you deceased that you had sit there and wait fortieth in the cinema scenes and you just nice to drive me nuts member of having a good old lives of the PlayStation 2 X-Files game to -- game.
It was like -- step -- There's a good blend between it was I was eight interesting -- you know it was like a mystery unfolding as -- went along if you like X-Files and died but anyway I just remember that was standing out to me because these cinematic scenes from the thing just ended up dragging.
On and on and honestly I won't play his game I wanna you know I want to be fox -- go out there and and you know.
Go to the story line here.
Pletcher brother whether -- watching Clinton in his report it and yeah this is my nose is -- mind.
-- not as nearly as good as this although I'm addicted to call of duty so.
I've -- I've had been actually thrilled to get my hands on this game and be able to play.
So final thoughts on this well obviously one -- the -- thoughts and one of the controversies this week we can get into a little bit here which has been.
The do the scene with the Russian terrorists in the airport scene right certainly was yeah to a shocking it's it's it's kind of unexpected on the feud if you weren't spoiled about what happens and I don't know we spoiler alert people.
But come in in the game it's there's that scene where you're trying to kind of prove your terrorists bona -- -- an undercover guy -- -- this Russian terrorist group.
As part of proving that your AOK with the terrorist cut involves killing an extraordinary number of innocent people in a very very stark in it's manner.
And it's kind of something that is almost -- just to create controversy to the feeling but I never really seen anything like this and video game -- -- and -- means -- video game.
On the and you know they're getting punters in the obviously wanted to controversy in character -- it's crazy.
-- people ask me about it how you feel about this and I'm sort of torn by because you've got the parental ratings on you know and videogame industry has gone to great -- tried to at least.
Make parents aware of the but you know that the rating system and bring parents into the fold.
But you know they are -- -- -- said he got to give her son had no idea this was in the game.
Found out only later through news reports such that this was in the game -- month though you know mom would get I get that game out of his system.
This is a problem with.
The rating system is that a problem with just -- -- lack of acknowledgment about this type stuff material in the game and live -- And I've never I've never.
Played in that area of looking a box -- big gamer.
It's in a movie trailer where they warn you will include scenes of terrorism you know no big labels things develop more specificity so I don't know that.
The father you're talking about.
-- expected to have been forewarned.
But what he might have been subject to.
Is the expectation that they and wouldn't go there and that's the thing was -- people is that by the Syrians would have not only a terrorist massacre.
But that you would be able to have you have the opportunity to participate in and if you -- And that.
Would I think surprise any parent and would spread any player if you add them to spoil YouTube -- -- how do you.
With the game does do though is it warns you when you first booted up that there is going to be something in the game that's offensive that you might find offensive.
We won't penalize you if you skip -- you can skip the excellence -- you what that is.
So I think there are going to be people we're gonna get through it and there and well I don't.
Want any part of this and I don't wanna play I don't think anybody's guess -- because if you press the button like you don't know what is your curiosity -- only a matter curiosity like what's the above what's the big deal you wanna you wanna see.
Russ and -- -- put your response from regaining perspective but we think this has to say about the rating system in the back and forth here I mean what's your sense of us.
Well you know -- we've had oh a lot of issues around probable concern and parental control costs -- a range of media and -- ultimately.
It's important to do research.
You know clearly.
-- like this you are are putting up information about what what can be expected in these kinds of products and inform parents should have when -- that -- Is it because itself.
Mean forgive me if I'm wrong but there's no video and it's not federally mandated that they do discredits itself not only incidentally never violated our pets -- my movies -- movies -- -- either think yeah evidently there's no but it -- -- standard through which they have in itself itself standardized tests and they have to.
And in general role content industry groups.
Implement his rating systems -- in an effort to avoid.
Regulation of these kinds of problems but there's two things by the -- one is that it's it's done in a way that's meant to make you feel sick it's it's doesn't glorify what you're doing and at the end of it isn't panicking and doing what happens but it.
You -- -- -- about that and it does have a good job of not making it like a funding it's just gross and you it's meant to make you feel growth and it does a good job of that.
And I think is the reason so shocking is because of what the media when you get it's it's it's in video games so we've been raised for twenty years or thirty here's a video games.
If you can't just put it -- -- them as a product aimed at children.
As sort of liquid essentially put herself or did for cartoons they kind of showed that yet just because you thought the meeting was for kids because they furcal still.
And it's I think it's sort of like the Simpsons -- -- Problem for video games where it if it kind of shows that the medium has grown up and its audience has grown up 20 and that can do more than just the -- -- It's interesting because when we look at -- the movie industry.
You know we can have we can you know have fun with Woody Harrelson beating the crap out of zombies with a baseball bat.
And people race to -- that ends up being like the winner at the box office the weekend and you could you couldn't.
You could not get more violent and disgusting in that sort of experience.
It is because the insomnia baseball -- three years I didn't play great come I don't belong to protest yet we're doing little -- -- -- so basic a good pirated it doesn't feel at all like it's made.
To be fun day doesn't feel -- when you play them and became authority -- and you can't get a much more stringent rating and that they must give the equivalent of the pornographic rating.
For and against it to me and the ratings seems to signal that there's some tough stuff.
I had a chance this few weeks you -- sit down with.
Super Mario Brothers creator Zelda creator -- Donkey Kong creator Wii Fit.
She -- me the most so from Nintendo -- -- -- weird title I don't know that he has or a real title that -- he's he's he's he's there and when you're asked what sort of title he has I don't even know he knows what it is.
It had -- -- -- -- sit down with them take a look at this will come back and talk about the new Super Mario Brothers for the week coming up with some.
Did you have any idea when you're creating characters like Zelda and Donkey Kong and Mario Brothers that they would have such a lasting legacy for families and children around the world.
-- -- We'll -- -- don't really when I was younger I wanted to be a Japanese comic artist and at that time in Japan.
Many of the more popular -- comic artists.
Would have won individual character -- they would use across many different comments over a long period of time I think everybody would see that character and be very familiar with was there.
A decision made by you to go back to the original way the Super Mario Brothers -- full side scrolling -- going off.
And it's addictive nature of the game when you're putting this out for the Nintendo Wii menu for the homeless.
Mario is a is a game that character of seriousness of ball digital technology has -- Each new generation of hardware we're -- a new installment in the Mario franchise that takes advantage of we saw how Mario went from two -- treaty -- Super Mario 64.
And and evolve again.
-- with Super Mario galaxy but.
With the launch of the Nintendo DS hardware one of the things that we wanted to do was to try to bring -- -- experienced back to its original state.
-- which was very simple they can.
Control that's very accessible to everybody what can families look forward to this holiday season in Super Mario Brothers -- him.
-- particularly interesting about -- -- is that with.
The multiplayer -- you can have somebody who is a very experienced Mario square and somebody who has never played in -- game before and -- playing the -- together.
I've experienced player and visit -- in the game pick up.
The less experienced player helped carry them through the level or get them over to political.
-- -- of obstacles.
To the game is designed in a way that regardless of whether or not you've played a -- game before.
You can play together with anybody -- have a really great time doing it.
And that is that -- -- -- -- and you see more -- that this weekend on the show over and showing off Super Mario Brothers on fox opens this weekend.
It was great about it is I mean I was super addicted.
-- it almost from the start and playing it in it has an immersive experience being able to play with a group of four people together and be able to beat.
Beat each other up back and forth or team up with them and get through the levels.
Stephen and you had a chance to play it -- early review of it.
Thoughts you really like that.
Yeah it's it's a lot of fun it's I mean there's certain something classic about that side scrolling Mario experience so it it plays really well.
It's unfortunate that they haven't made an online unintended and a good job with Mario Kart and their smash Brothers and -- respectively they're racing in -- fighting games -- Nintendo characters together.
We've been playing on the couch together -- we don't plan right here.
We play online and people can networked together I think it's an expectation a lot of gamers having this game doesn't have that you have to be together.
Took place that way it's fun when you do but it's unfortunate can all look up online it.
Isn't it because of a limitation of do we itself I -- I know me -- himself has said that they pushed -- the system to its absolute limits and making the Super Mario Brothers game for the -- is -- it is.
It doesn't just have to do with the console itself.
M and that's.
His comment -- a little bit of a set -- for punchline and that that we -- just not in the same technology league.
Terms of horsepower that's that's -- -- -- and it -- three and you know it does speak to the limitations of the of the -- or the specificity you know to which they wanted a target they.
Experience now and make it -- -- plan.
MM with mr.
-- though it probably the -- that you did your commute is awesome really nice guy -- kind of shocked to find that he had never actually seen wizard.
With percentage which is about equivalent period he had never seen King -- there and yeah you -- -- like you know this -- made it hard -- players the documentary about.
People who obsess over his game -- you -- announced yet but.
There is no unfortunately the king of Kong as we talk quite a bit about that and we had actually there we had a copy of it which was given to on road while -- there.
And probably for my -- simply got.
Actually was given to -- like tonight before but he hadn't receiving getting brought -- in and his translator actually brought -- but it's not there's no Japanese translated version and I think the subtitles it's a weird.
You know the sometime -- he has had a chance to see it so that it dvd or blue or.
I had thought that this would be one of the biggest games.
Of the holiday season.
What do you think expectations.
They'll certainly be very.
-- -- I don't think it's impossible impaired like one worker to you know that -- what factors beyond partisan kind of enemy is glass -- -- in this game.
Charles' part -- that -- says it's -- mean -- America of the European -- I don't know what is the latest -- that -- -- an -- reporter once and you -- -- let you know you don't have to think you know entirely scriptwriter write you -- -- we're -- up arms embargo on the score yet cowardly you know -- -- an -- that to the -- -- it just like that but the scope of those Hollywood that's kind of -- three and Xbox games just so beyond what anything and we will cost especially -- this.
And so they will make it -- Office they will sell a lot of copies of this and everybody and it will be very happy.
Right this isn't direct sequel.
Earlier this diplomatic table -- people are Brothers.
At the weekend which is -- DS titles -- came out about four years ago and we talked them out of -- for -- before selling so well.
Its successor to a game until they're killing capitalism the successor to a game and -- from our Brothers yes that's a twenty million copies worldwide so far so I mean.
The market loves this kind and.
Above what Ross was Steve was talk about the living -- experience and -- out of state for Nintendo not to have that life experience.
-- yeah I think the company has certainly focused on on the gaming experience.
Expand the audience happens to.
That market her for casual gamers.
-- clearly I had some some success -- that strategy and -- it doesn't necessarily have all the and media and entertainment.
Two to go to.
To bring into this Sony and and Microsoft.
-- They're depreciation.
So final prediction is this for the for the holiday season we think there's -- -- be bigger than now modern warfare two.
It seems doubtful because.
-- -- through its subsequent thoughts on the platform -- is only on the wave and evidence and it feels that.
The shot topic certainly -- successful and hopefully for errors -- an -- -- that seemed.
The it's a flip -- finally before -- -- from Nintendo.
We -- her what was the rumor about will not not having a Nintendo Wii HD.
Shot those rumors down intended that this week is that what what was that about right that.
Comes from -- -- -- that.
Nintendo of America president Reggie -- and they gave.
Two Jeff Skilling and -- -- -- couple weeks ago.
Asking about predictions that there'd be a Wii HD and points I actually met with mr.
his -- and today couple hours ago.
And ask him a little bit more about that and he said that you know -- there's nothing they can announce.
But that is the problem with the expectation that are ready that the -- just gonna go to HD is that he said.
That's not how we do things we don't just say okay this of the technology everybody else is doing so we're gonna do it.
If and when we do something like that it's gonna have something new to it.
-- I don't know what substance you can sort of glean from this behind him and I met with mr.
-- moto I asked about future console -- well and he made it clear that the next iteration of the Nintendo console.
Will have a motion captured control of some sort and -- he said it would probably be smaller.
Then the current -- and cheaper -- it was more cost efficient probably new technology to be cheaper.
But -- but it will still have motion capturing in some way but sincerely believe it backwards compatible with the way if it's not a -- like.
We HD you might have a -- in your name and and that -- and everything.
I was jump in its.
Done with Nintendo so we'll see some more that again on Sunday on FOX & Friends.
Let's let's jump into -- -- on boxing here.
Yeah I think that's.
The schedule yet.
-- the -- last night to Samsung announcing their be cold as to.
Which is the new.
Which is their new cell phone -- -- T-Mobile and it's running android.
One point five.
And it's got the cube.
Very exciting very exciting to have the cube.
Rolling in -- which Israel's failure in the Q and -- on this -- up.
-- -- The -- is sort of and navigation were you I would just has that you know you could expand your finger around on it.
You can and navigate the -- or.
Spin it Q this way and then go to it I -- some video we can take that video Kevin if you want.
I don't know.
-- -- Very -- you know and what do you say such as -- certification magazine said it was the most pointless you lie -- -- ever seen before and I think you -- probably an okay phone but I am -- to agree that there.
You know it does have a nice screen Ross -- -- -- your impressions you know certainly one of -- large number of android devices we're seeing hitting in the fourth quarter and it's visually distinctive you know there -- a lot being done -- I can -- now on hand that's maybe not all of well thought out.
Some of them yeah.
You know -- -- -- I didn't have a problem with it I just have found it to be for full price that's industry points 200 point nine box.
It's important -- yet.
I mean to position yourself right now is that a mistake.
-- certainly been difficult for.
And the enhancements above the 199 benchmark -- 3GS.
Yeah I mean I don't know how you come -- phone that benchmark over 199 at this point to 292 year contract.
Because how oh lead.
It display -- Him.
Does have a beautiful sea lions have some kind of leading the charge of bringing Pulitzer heavily -- -- -- -- two mobile devices it's really kind of cool to see them because.
It was initially after the not to any other mobile devices that would certainly -- many phones do.
From anybody other success but.
-- -- -- -- It is let's just a gaming angle of -- -- ridiculous but I'm thinking -- that might be bad for gamblers it's just the OK I know you why they're going dragons application on it and dice again we'll that it that it transformers and you'll have acutely twice -- -- -- -- but I I think that he had.
Could put -- accomplished.
It is so much enjoyed going on right now actually it's hard to distinguish itself the problem.
Yeah I mean talking is that -- into a developer last week any one in the big problem right now is the differentiation and market and then fragmentation in the market and how do you.
They're they're still waiting for that definitive definitive android device to be able to develop for and that's got to be problematic for injury developers I would think if they're trying to wait.
You know it's the -- -- and soft the last thing he was saying you know having.
Opening up he's working -- -- android running on one phone -- applications and -- and another android phone that won't work.
We'll crashing all the time right on another I mean that's particularly following that it really calls into question the value of having a licensed operating system across multiple platforms.
Its developer needs twenty different phones -- that they got a picture doesn't crash that's -- Yeah.
Osama Google Chrome OS we could hear next week we rumors of the operating system.
From Google finally dropping next week we heard about a Mac and finally do you Google.
Chrome browser for Mac coming in December which I've been waiting for.
What should be exciting.
As -- use that on PCs right now I absolutely love -- speed of that browsers.
Next I mean on a PC I don't think -- does anything come close.
-- and now -- and you know -- I mean I know them several of them have read since.
Yeah engines Apple's -- superiority you with a par at least on some of the jobs across his -- really close together you can find huge differences and some -- -- -- browsers -- you know having -- -- variety with -- but I think -- did you or did you see by the way that today Dolly Parton the campaign is now endorsing has endorsed Internet Explorer eight though it.
-- the proposals from what I -- was anytime you have somebody like that comes out and endorses.
Something like that.
You know Internet Explorer the only person that would come out like that and in endorsed in an -- and someone who never used if they hit I can imagine like.
Dolly pardon sitting -- surfing all the time -- -- the kids' welfare and the effect that.
-- would only from.
-- -- There's so yeah let's talk about Google Chrome OS.
From -- -- I don't know how many you gamers you talked to who might be excited for being able to develop on different operating system like that be able utilized.
What sort of area from the -- union perspective are you hearing about any excitement there now.
Not not not really hear much about that I mean.
When you when you're talking gains of about your focus more on applications that are made peace -- already so.
The terms of working off the so -- them.
I'm not securing that indie developers are super excited about it but I could I could -- -- -- so when we expect in is this true I mean who knows a week from now we could be hearing.
Over you know regardless when it ships and and in terms of native apps in general.
I think that there is conflict that -- risks setting up with android because they've.
They've had these developer tools out there for android and -- -- -- with chrome isn't going to be more wet days so I think it's tough to be.
Trying to court developers for android when you -- doing something different with your desktop operating system it really fragments.
The platform in a way that certainly apple and Microsoft are trying to move away with -- Didn't really -- I don't know if they are playing in this does that make it so compatible android and really -- they can make it so.
If you're injured mobile application for whatever reason you want -- run on your desktop it's really east of -- between two.
And they can you emulate entrance somewhere run into programs that's kind of -- It makes like a really cool and I think about it.
Possibility between your phone -- -- but I don't know if they're doing that.
I think it's adjusting to be able to move I mean as Google is keeps wanting to move the quality to bring a great point.
You know and even my dad today this happy talk is -- his office says the real state office saying -- Guessing why would you want to live in the cloud why would you -- hands and my dad still doesn't understand that outlook is not.
An email client it's an application that aggregates email he thinks that.
This is separation whose side are people understanding that you guys ran numbers -- recently didn't you on this looking at.
Moving towards the cloud in my wrong about that.
No rebel well I thought I had -- thought -- there was numbers Ron it would be from you guys.
But it does -- -- -- idea -- the the cloud in the net.
That was one of the things people are talking about more early in the year when in in development conference the service on live.
Announced their existence they've been an incubation for seven years working on this.
And saying you know proposing a model where gains would be on -- anymore it wouldn't be it or they could but that's -- -- you get them instead.
He'd be getting a bit extreme -- it goes back to the Brundtland broad bent pipe with connections when you actually have that.
And we got a lot of mixed response from our readers and those who were comfortable at the idea that they wouldn't actually have their games anymore.
Vs does -- seem -- like the portability idea give their games could be with them wherever they.
Let's talk about some other numbers and -- this week from apple.
To mentioning surprising numbers of course the big hoopla over the Apple Store opening on Broadway -- got national attention which typically doesn't happen for a major Apple Store other Apple Store launches but this -- a big deal.
Yeah this is the first time they've done glass roof.
On the on an Apple Store as a you needed more Wonka.
-- -- And I go -- the glass and giant glass elevator and a little bit actually there have -- in this when they just have the stairwell now trail and elsewhere good first hail storm -- It's we've we've got a chance you have.
Whether it was a very loud and then when Israel did this quite an -- -- -- a big.
Paul Light space.
And they -- all the apple products -- on the top floor all the accessories below so with somewhat different way out than we've seen.
In other apple stores but really the interesting thing that was a discussion by.
Ron Johnson asked if you retail about changes are going to make going forward in terms of larger stores with with larger genius bars -- -- there you know -- -- Because they've just had tremendous success.
You guys put on numbers.
For C Mac -- account for less than 20% of the US retail market.
According -- you guys but nearly 90% of the 100 or 1000 plus segment.
And they really don't want to they've been fighting this mean they really don't want to drop their prices but it's you know it's it's it's really a holistic puzzle and it'll joints together and -- -- What were to launch low priced low margin -- books they don't have the the profit margins that they need to invest in things like marble and glass.
Apple stores which attract consumers -- to -- More you know expense of macintoshes so at all it all feeds into each -- I have refuse to work at the -- Apple Store and when they first built it.
She told me what each one of the suspect's bullets that are -- and I kept calling toll -- -- bundle this summer but for the next forty grand per stuff.
-- And indeed it is sell them.
Thousand -- notebook setup.
And you did say we're talking about the the experience and you walk in and it -- three tables wide.
Is that yes -- really wanted him to to -- through with the thinking there.
Just well for one their their product line is expanding.
So they talked about how.
You know unveiled in the first Apple Store -- you know -- before the iPod it was before the iPhone they had just.
Much -- our product portfolio.
They still wanted.
Lots of room to show off what they had now they just want you know they want to accommodate things like -- 27 inch iMac you know -- Nice big screen and and they want more space for things like genius bars and one on one sessions there's a lot of community being driven.
That that they're trying to drive in the stores and Apple Store space is extremely coveted by third party accessory makers extremists from the coveted.
And having more of it is extremely bad apple because they can upon all these guys are incredible.
The amount per square foot blew me away the amount.
Of sales they make per square foot and made her one foot of him -- So sure that we have -- microphone adjustment issue in a wardrobe malfunction.
-- To per square footage blows every other retail -- away.
Across the board that her foot.
I think date.
What did you do there there it -- that there the size of of an Abercrombie or you know one of these smaller clothing stores but they're bringing in the revenue of an anchor store like like a Macy's.
Into the mall so.
It's ridiculous -- because I mean it's again because of those margins.
Model and the high revenue you know the high -- price per per item prosecutors -- expensive and -- or jeans -- -- -- Yeah I will -- yeah I think.
Yes and have incredible incredible retail numbers.
And they got a little bit of -- Diego on Microsoft when asked about opening -- Microsoft stores.
Which was you know what do you expect.
And I think response was was nice to have a ten year head start us.
Yeah they certainly have that and whether or not this is -- though the question for Microsoft what do they they do in those stores.
You know they don't have a lot of hardware to show off.
That apple does they have -- they have.
Is going to be -- gaming section in the isn't what -- what we have the one store launch was it to store to one -- a few weeks ago oracle.
I think they've they certainly want to -- one yeah -- is Arizona the Arizona or Lincoln naturally that mission -- California.
He had photos on the when it was launching but from a gaming perspective.
He -- you talked to any Microsoft people about the natives they're gaining strategy in those.
I happen to have a process that yet so these -- -- think that they are really trying to send us and -- should perhaps because it is so.
You know narrowly -- and it's going there but.
There that's actually something -- interest and to see how it develops in terms of gaming centric story starts with gaming space and then this.
He DC to -- sections of a lot of other retailers spanning.
It's something that.
In addition to see and -- I'm wondering if apple told you anything about if they're all gonna.
Put a focus on the embarrassment embarrassed about their gaming.
Except for the amount yeah apps have an iPhone if they're present gaming in any improved way and their stories but like -- in the city got.
The Nintendo world store just yet -- -- -- the fully gaining steam in -- retailer.
They're immigrants -- you know Nintendo then -- usual but I would expect that Xbox eventually have a large -- -- -- -- 11 thing that they did -- with that they're not calling their larger stores on Apple's not pulling its largest stores.
Flagship stores you know the way that Nokia.
Have launch opened a few of these.
They call them there -- significant stores because they're also there greatest revenue producing.
These just haven't been isolated.
Retail outlets to showcase the variety of products they are.
You know serious revenue generating machine -- the other stories are there and significance.
In the case standard and -- infantry.
You -- a good point though about apple and sort of being perhaps a little embarrassed by the success of gaming on the iPod Touch in the iPhone platform because we heard an interview -- -- was last week where does that come from.
I can't remember where that interview came from -- -- it.
Within we are you warning -- we had an in this manner of doing your thing -- but -- percent there editor Tucker are our boss -- Did an interview with John Carmichael co creator again and -- its offer products company -- aggressive about.
Creating apps gaming apps for the iPhone name port and a number of -- of doom Wolfenstein.
On -- on -- the platform.
And Brian's interview with Carmen Marseille last week.
And then -- -- -- this week he's talking about the fact that he said I think -- -- -- uncomfortable.
Being in -- narrow -- there's there's an awkwardness about it they did and one of their recent big company you know.
Dog and pony shows show all of the apps -- you know sign showing them compare this to.
Images of all the DS is speaking out there and -- and look look at how far we've comments that -- -- a time but.
They still don't really but the gaming.
Especially not on there and -- -- -- platform I mean it it's its historical historically.
You know it was over fifteen years ago trying to get a good game for Mac it's very very very typical of halo is coming on point that was going to be a much and it -- appointment of one point and it's.
I'll let reverently.
Missed was on the Mac and -- -- like the coolest thing in the Mac and then there was there was nothing else for an -- CD-ROM effective immediately.
And it kind of gave up on the Mac is -- platform for a very very long time.
And then they commit to it reemerged a couple years ago Anderson ups -- a their keynote a couple of things this is huge gap wind you know under that's up from the kind of -- acting success that.
We have some -- -- rodents and I I do remember in fact.
Some -- as I do remember that PSP and PS2 X-Files game.
Thank you did everything but tonight it's my boys -- that game as of every human -- -- -- actually -- that again thank you run on track it's awesome.
That the voices that they the company -- yeah they have they did all the voices -- through Tuesday in putting things that they insects that.
I had a chance also the other night to.
And by Tuesday that they obviously take a look at the new V phone.
From say yes sages stages it's nobody knows he was out of the blue had no idea what this phone was.
We have some video that I shot it's running android 2.0 the keyboard I must say actually looked better than.
The Droid take a listen I think we have audio.
-- -- -- -- -- -- Okay great.
-- -- -- -- -- -- And a video calling those in seeing the video and video -- calling takes him.
Kicking off three times is a much bandwidth is a typical phone call how much power.
Didn't I mean I collapsed I know I knew anybody -- -- is this a different hour and a half using the -- problem is so the some of the other ones have that capability but.
You have that other person has to have that phone.
But the technology and it really took off in America it's huge here it's been huge in Europe for a long time and part of it is cultural I suppose like.
There's this perception whether certain of Americans are interested in having to put their pants on -- make phone call.
That's about -- and part of it up also roughly but the because when I can if the networks America with a handle that you -- And so it's really interesting about this problem is that they're claiming they can you catch that has a video calling over to existing 2.5 chiefs the only network at my knowledge no other phone can do that they also found some kind of cool -- work around.
Make the existing networks there's something that previously couldn't do -- not very well color or the primary could be really lowered the primary -- -- really love.
And dumb and it's -- it's also it's kind of quote the company had ever heard of and they are Bryson.
Yeah I mean.
Is that some OEM for something else I don't know but it's that's kind of out of the -- you see these things all time and it on a carrier deal but -- clinical and Verizon just snagged it for them.
Definitely looks like the -- the only with a better keyboard.
And an extra camera ever sent -- Cameron forward facing camera so -- to see what they do after probably at CES are a little bit before that you know from -- so interesting stuff.
Kind of caught us all by surprise the other night but think how to -- all of -- prize the other night.
-- was unveiled event was taking a look at the new bill HDZ no.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- This you know it's like a Mac mini.
Basically everyone's calling it -- you see Dell has like a Mac mini but a little -- like a home theater.
All these face -- on the top -- removable input pink on their blue on there which I don't get in myself because they sit in a -- At home if you -- -- you want to hide the.
Living underneath for the third time after -- sudden ten dollars extra for but it really played pretty yeah.
What your presence for -- -- and what -- trying to do here is really I mean we've seen a lot of small form factor -- he's in the past.
They're really trying to get desktop quality components.
In a very small.
Very small form factor so more powerful process are.
More powerful graphics.
And and some degree about credibility -- HDMI.
And so you know anyone who's looking to conserve space or perhaps -- this is kind of a home theater PC it really doesn't have.
A lot of cable card capabilities or anything like that but you know if you wanna use -- war or other Internet based media center kinds of contents.
That that as part of the market they're going for.
Yeah I mean in this and this home theater experience that the companies seem to be gravitating towards.
You know with.
Did you -- -- -- a number of was the number of USB ports on the back to on the back to the front two on the back on the wounds here what else was.
Yeah and you've got to HDMI which is interesting because the the Mac mini doesn't have HDMI -- right.
Which -- -- was surprising.
Running Windows 7.
-- but because apple has the apple TV.
Product for true.
-- -- the licensing of course affect the HDMI licensing people within the other night as well and that's a problem HDMI licensing which is too it's like two dollars for licensing fees for product isn't -- Per unit.
For per product so.
Why would they wanna spend that money why wouldn't apple just live with -- mini display port technology and which -- now been moved to be standardized that.
Why would they need to spend that kind of money.
And right about there yeah report.
You know it it's another part because of how the source of this about a person that certainly -- -- The settle a satiric because the front page of the USA DA today had that -- TV.
That finally looks like we could be moving towards a web TV experience we've seen -- before with -- TV was never went anywhere.
We've seen in who did the deal with the Yahoo! widgets in now what TV -- that be a number of them yeah Samsung.
-- -- -- -- License the Yahoo! yeah form.
That really -- still.
Not really something I'm excited it down.
But now finally would be to move towards Xbox Live having the home theater experience roku with -- big update coming next week and then.
Few weeks later -- even bigger updates coming.
Can we finally have -- TV.
A whole lot has changed since web TV was introduced -- more than ten years ago.
The you know that the networks are a lot faster.
The TVs themselves are much higher resolution.
And and display progressive graphics -- -- Better suited to Internet content.
And of course has been a reason to have the -- on TV which has been video an explosion of TV shows now available.
For viewing on the TV that opens up a lot of questions in terms of how.
Cable companies are going to deal with -- -- compete with that also this week we saw.
The Comcast's announcement about TV everywhere.
Looking to open that up to.
Its subscribers but.
You know some of those sites we use flash -- -- the forthcoming.
Html five standards but.
There are now compelling reasons to have Internet content on the -- -- It's still early Friday -- other zone and that it's going to be it's it's it's the different paradigm then went web.
He -- them because back then you're watching -- cable TV which also lets you surf the web on your TV now particular video delivered over the Pataki -- And I think he was like a mythical.
Unicorn back at -- independents -- -- today the connections -- there -- technologies there have been out of work.
And that's what it's an effort to -- idea that you get the video delivered over the -- he could before it was like.
Qualities you know what -- just like your TV.
What's happened in the -- right from the -- TV and now is that Nvidia has.
Ceased being so much the domain -- just television so.
While there may be more web to your TV these days there's also more TV toured -- to your web -- in computer and I mean I find myself.
Watching television one more on my laptop because that's right -- -- officially get it on demand.
And even that you mention -- -- the Xbox-360 services there.
Already doing things were able to bring some of the content you've taken down through your Xbox-360.
On to -- and portable.
Sony has tried various strategies with allowing you to transport content that you downloaded through PS3 to PSPs so.
You're having this portable screens and a lot of people consuming.
What used to be honored -- -- On their portables so I wonder how much if that was all conveniently accessible through the TV people would get back to the TV perfect summer's -- kind of already moving away from -- by.
Says the placed a lot it's -- -- powerful diagnostic of what's going on like that the wall between TV and Internet is slowly crumbling down very quickly crumbling down in fact.
And it almost doesn't matter where you're watching it or even how you're getting it whether it's over official cable connection or already and -- -- people won't even though but -- it's still needs to be.
Easy to do and right now it's not it's not entirely that easy.
Yeah and you know we're seeing even new companies coming in trying to.
Eight with the navigation.
All of this explosion -- really -- in what way.
A number of different ways you have.
Website call clicker dot com for example that is.
Trying to act as kind of a TV guide four on line video.
You have the startup glide TV which has a little track pad like controller for navigating a wide.
Array of contents on on television.
You know there there is an abundance of -- how do you find it.
And and how do you get it personalized for you is this really the question.
Yeah mean I have to say the experience the last night I have the Hulu desktop client.
On my Mac which -- just have it connected -- you know to decide right here and I run it.
Right to my TV through any display port through HDMI.
And with the Hulu desktop client -- -- -- -- usable -- controller flip through.
And watch content that way and it's -- posted I think last night I've used it quite a bit but I just thinking last -- those good keeps growing through some random shows people watch an old science fiction -- time tunnel.
That was jumping over to paranormal state and I was jumping back and forth all the stuff that was in my Q.
-- this is great and it looks fantastic.
You know and I just have your basic Time Warner connection.
I'm not paying for boosted speeds or anything like that.
But though if it could be that easy for my parents to do.
They get a roku box and I don't have to come home and actually explain to them how to set it up and how to then go to your Netflix -- If he becomes ubiquitous in a way that's easy for people.
That's the only way perhaps it will become ubiquitous I think so.
I don't know how -- you -- I did added that this story.
Box he finally getting a box at the.
Putting the box and box yeah he.
So what is this thing.
Looks quite PC might it's worth opponents in Sofia the boxing obviously -- -- -- great and a video aggregates social networking service lets you take care.
Hulu sort of in -- Netflix only other -- -- and put on one program.
And it's got a huge -- peaceful people.
I love it I love boxing in the Boxee app for the iPhone is fantastic.
We're playing that without the GD GT launch party and I hadn't had a chance to play would.
-- being played it before it's beautiful so come in December of social media enabled media senator.
-- has some other great news are also going to be getting to the dedicated hardware device soon it's -- alpha Boxee.
They're there I guess they're just they're they're platform runs on Mac Linux and windows systems but a dedicated device.
Could be far cheaper hardware option so 99 dollars maybe this standard now from -- roku box perspective is that where you might see a placing the market -- Now I I think it's going to be more expensive than that I really -- more hardware that's going to be thrown on it because.
-- takes advantage of local storage I think it's going to be more of a PC like architecture they have run on apple TV in the past which is more PC like architecture.
But you know they keep getting bumped off by apple -- our candidate so I did back on we know I mean as -- up -- duplicated I -- I act and I have post on how to get it back it takes work around.
-- -- -- -- -- Again that he didn't run a -- -- here you know you have existing PC here.
Yeah visceral but obviously -- anymore that your perfect set top box right there.
What else do we have to talk about this we oh -- this week pulling back on the re tweet feature.
Which was getting slammed by just about everyone I know and spoke to Lance ulanoff PC -- he was saying.
Didn't like because you didn't have an option -- being able to re tweet which -- what you wanna do people want to add their own color and content to it and it wasn't that option.
You know I think I think you're coming up against some of the limitations of -- 140 characters.
It's very difficult to comment on something without altering the original post and I think that's.
What Twitter was was trying to preserve they're also trying to preserve compatibility -- -- -- Which I think it's going to be struggle moving forward is if they wanna take it -- place.
You have a feeling that PM in the whole reason give -- 140 character limit so every single tweet can work the text message.
Have a feeling that's got -- like six months left before hum they kind of realized that -- do it but he's using them well I I don't but but the clock said you know one person -- But the idea is that they want to keep this viable for markets outside the US for developing markets they.
They see the potential for this to become a way that that people communicate because that's the masses.
This week AT&T fired back -- at Verizon over those ads we've seen a number of ads the there's a map and then there's -- apparatus.
Ad showing of course the -- coverage from Verizon and in the blues scant coverage from Verizon.
AT&T said that that's not accurate those maps aren't accurate and that there is -- much more coverage than that.
This week -- we also saw Verizon not backing down and then coming out this misfit toys dad take a look at this.
-- You can download -- -- Russell.
-- Five times what.
-- the -- for the -- who played DC and 8999 Verizon Wireless news.
So AT&T file filing a federal complaint basically saying that some reason -- from Verizon so blatantly false and misleading that we wanna set the record straight about -- -- wireless data coverage this -- hits them right in the sweet spot it's disingenuous though to imply that these things.
It would be the toys with the square wheels as of this.
-- he's still clunky -- useless but other than AT&T'S network -- -- -- completely disingenuous you know.
Verizon's trying to get the message out there that the service on the device are -- to each other we saw sprint.
Come out what that message to in the -- so you know it's important for three G phone.
In the real problem isn't that they're they don't have -- over if they put this is -- they do have been over it sucks right so yeah I think that's one of the blue areas -- -- I have my weight -- -- awkward fit that New York city's covered a little coverage if you had tried but betray his by the way.
The -- mention them and that that has -- stuff flo TV.
Application which is another example television moving away from the traditional sat ran -- to a mobile platform -- it was in the -- TV platform.
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