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And join -- of freedom watch thank you joining us now is David -- Who's the senior vice president of the Cato Institute in Washington DC David always a pleasure welcome my friend back to freedom watch.
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Judge well how are you what you're -- -- -- -- -- -- what is your view of the whether or not there is a comfortable place in the Republican Party today for serious libertarians Barry gold water.
Ron Paul types that want to shrink aggressively shrink the federal government -- they welcome in the Republican Party.
Well I don't know about comfortable fact is that nobody's welcome in the Republican Party if they want to change things and and that was true for the religious right and that was certainly true for the Goldwater movement.
So if you want to change things -- you're determined you just have to go in there and do it there's probably a more welcoming atmosphere there than there is in the Democratic Party.
And the fact is that both parties have created a cartel through government regulations and subsidies that makes it very difficult to challenge them from outside so.
I think libertarian should make their own decisions about how they get involved in politics.
But I think that there is a place.
One of the things we have not had recently other than Ron Paul is actual political leadership on behalf of limited government Republican Party.
You look at the people who were talked about his presidential candidates now not all of them believes in and limited government.
Green I I fully agree with you.
And let's see we just had a Republican president.
Under whose administration.
The federal government virtually took over education.
The federal government got involved in.
Paying for prescription drugs.
The federal government ran a deficit well into the trillion somewhat.
Those very same.
Republican members of congress are now opposing.
What Barack Obama wants to do to open mail even though the idea is behind it.
Borrow and spend and expand the government will help us question and I know you've Morelli and and -- and I know you've monitored this.
And I -- you want to talk about it what that members of congress who are opposing Obama care.
Be taking the same position -- that same proposal had been advanced four years ago by George W.
Well probably not since it looks like they did support prescription drug entitlement almost all of them when it was advanced by President Bush.
There's way too much red team blue team stuffy in Washington if a Republican president it's for -- and all the Republicans are supposed to line up at the democratic presidents for it.
All the Democrats are supposed to line up and it sure seems like Republicans are better when they're out of office.
But sometimes when they're out of office like in the late 1970s.
In the early 1990s.
They get up pay a small government spirit and they elect somebody and for a year -- so they actually do try to limit government so maybe.
Maybe this two year period with President Obama will remind them of what they used to stand for and if they shouldn't we and when he -- -- they'll actually do something right.
Do you think that the president is trying to frighten people.
Away from opposing his.
Health care proposals.
In particular with say some of the thugs and goons that have shown up at some of these town halls.
The the requests.
On the White House web -- a White House the most powerful entity on the planet that if your neighbor says something to you about health -- that sounds fishy.
Tell us who your neighbor is is -- having a chilling effect on dissent is it intended.
To have a chilling effect on dissent.
Well I think it might be intended to do so far I don't think it's working very well I think it sort of backfired.
But yes I wrote a blog post that Kato at liberty today saying.
When you win Obama stands up there in New Hampshire and says people are trying to scare the American people with half truths.
What it reminded me which John Ashcroft back in 2000 -- Complaining about people who would scare peace loving Americans with phantoms of lost liberty.
But the truth is that we're real loss liberties in 2001 and and thereafter and there are real loss liberties today.
And the administration both administrations.
Did not like the fact that they were dissenters and dissidents and critics and they both tried to clamp down on them.
I the Bush Administration.
You know created the sneak and peek provisions and things like that but I never heard them come out hold a press conference saying send us your neighbors and.
Plot why why does the government hate freedom.
The government took an -- everybody the government from a janitor to the president to uphold the constitution you have Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer saying.
This exercise of free speech is on patriotic.
And you have the White House saying of anybody talk badly about us.
Tell us -- little -- who that is first the ball the government can't suppress speech and secondly there's an absolute right to an.
-- a speech we don't have.
Have to say who we are when we disagree with the president.
Well that's absolutely right although as you know the courts have not been as consistent as upholding that is they should be.
There have been Supreme Court case is talking about -- on in the speech.
We're not allowed to give money anonymously to the candidate we issues we're not allowed to run anonymous ads in the newspaper saying this is what I don't like about the current politicians right -- -- had been restrictions on that but there should be freedom for -- you asked why governments hate freedom well the government is the power and and the freedom -- undermines that power.
So from Burma to Iran.
To the Bush Administration to the Nixon administration -- the Obama administration.
You see governments that don't like being criticized that don't like to -- it.
And and I don't mean to equate what they do in Burma with the request for Phishing email is United States but.
But the impulse is there that we know we -- right how dare these people tell lies about.
-- that you're you're exactly right David.
That we're chatting with David Bowes who's the senior vice president of the Cato Institute the the impulses that the government knows best the impulses that freedom is an obstacle.
To the exercise.
Of government power switching gears.
A little bit but also.
In the area dissent at the chuckle a little bit because your your blogs are so so right on the mark.
One -- war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan where being run by a Republican.
Whether conservative or not it's up to debate -- my opinion he destroyed the conservative movement nevertheless he was a Republican.
The democratic anti war movement was all over the place.
Now that the war in Iraq as being run by a Democrat.
Where's the anti war movement in the United States.
Well I think that's very good question we've been what six or seven months of this administration.
They are stepping up what they're doing in Afghanistan and they're not really pulling back in Iraq.
Where -- the anti war movement we've.
We are you OK that was in downtown Washington we've certainly never been six months without -- poster being slapped up on the wall in front of our building calling for an anti war rally so.
I do think this is all part of this red team blue team stopped that now our guy -- president so we're not going to.
We're not -- oppose him I think that'll change I think they're -- our peace activists who really believe in peace and they're gonna figure out at some point.
Maybe they think Obama's not FBR he's gonna turn out to be Lyndon Johnson taking on a war.
Trying to do.
And a war at the same time and he may find himself bogged down in a land war in Asia.
That will destroy his domestic agenda the way it did -- Johnson.
David those senior vice president the Cato Institute.
Always a pleasure.
We'll have you back soon thanks for joining us on freedom watch.
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