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So you may recall that -- 2009 Laura -- Travel with a film -- to your region of China bordering on North Korea they momentarily cross into North Korea and Laura Ling -- you know -- Her editor translator were captured the women were eventually tried for attempting to overthrow the government since twelve years in labor camp.
After about five months through the good graces.
Of a bunch of negotiations in the presence of President Clinton.
In North Korea they were released -- Laura -- now with her sister Lisa.
Have written somewhere inside Laura joins us NATO -- thank you symmetric Lebanon.
Probably appreciate -- -- -- vice president and correspondent of current TV's investigative journalism series vanguard.
And you join them in 2000 -- these still with current or is that.
-- -- -- Current anymore are those.
Still -- huge champion of what they're dealing with there documentary program.
But I and I'm very pregnant at.
-- yeah add to that the circuit that an odd family right now.
Piracy in the would you tell you when you thought you're pregnant when -- can actually in the then later been Kelly let me first of all an incredible journey that you went through.
And and you showed incredible strength tell you did that.
One never knows but but tell us what happened on the river where you were apparently.
Unbeknownst you perhaps of the time crossing into or close to at least North Korea.
What morning on March -- he -- and my team has gone to the river that borders China and North Korea.
The thoroughfare where so many.
North Koreans are using to escape from -- the horrific conditions the brutal conditions.
Isn't that country and we were working in a documentary.
For current TV and we were at the time that the -- was frozen and that we were with the local six there journalists foreign journalists -- the higher.
But we -- sixers you do.
Help us in the field they've worked with other media before they know the areas subject well.
And we -- -- we were walking on the ice out and these north Koreans do when they're trying to escape.
In the wintertime.
I and is he our guide head.
Continue to walk across that I have learned until he ended up on the North Korean society in motion track to follow.
And always did it -- all happened so so quickly we.
Campbell fully got into the river and even while we were on -- -- so there's no intention to cross.
But of course that was that of course that was my assistant to follow -- -- we ended up on the North -- side.
We were there for it no longer than a minute.
And that we headed back across the -- to China.
It was when we were about halfway across -- we heard North Korean soldiers yelling and she did not.
They -- -- -- Chinese soil and then.
Very violently dragged.
He and and usually back across North Korea.
And you were.
Certainly -- to put a -- mishandled and we are not do you actually thought it was all over one point.
Yes they were intent on taking at the back.
To North Korea.
So as as much as I tried to live lean on Chinese soil.
That they had dozens and they -- filtered views about it -- rifle struck me.
On the head I blacked out and continue to -- me across the river North Korea.
-- I will say that when I went in captivity.
Our treatment could improve and I was treated fairly.
You're you're translator or your -- was a -- and one point -- take me instead of them.
-- -- -- -- -- That's right man I mean I don't know I don't know can -- -- buy enough time to try to escape.
The people speculate that we were set up I don't like to speculate because I don't think all of right now it's a decision that I made in the decision that I deeply regret.
Well what do you regret I mean you really had no way of knowing that this could have happened.
And it's trail -- at all that the -- so quickly and I and I want and I wondered where.
Explain how it all happened in the book but at the end of the day you know I made the decision to follow this guy -- -- houses and of course the soldiers chased it back on it Chinese toilet dragged it back.
But you know it -- it was it was the most unfortunate of circumstances.
When you were taken and then what happens you have to you were captured weird you go and how he treated.
The -- And the first three days we were pleased that the jail along the border vary it.
Dark dismal conditions -- five -- -- let's concrete floors.
-- you know that just very very.
Happy second seeded North Korea's the one of the poorest countries in the world -- there is now there's an electricity is body and there was really no sign of technology.
Eventually their transfer to capital city -- Pyongyang Dan I was pretty in the compound some separated from -- nearly four.
Most of the captivity.
We that the first six states -- immediately separated from then on out.
I had a back room with a bed and an adjoining room where a couple of guards watched over me at all -- Interesting how you talked about how you thought you're pregnant and you would want him to have had.
The child thinking that would first evolved in some kind of companionship and perhaps something that would evoke sympathy in -- captors.
I -- it you know I my husband lives and trying I have hammering the fire -- and for a brief moment I thought that I might be pregnant -- not -- child is a gift from god -- he did you leave the Saba.
But it -- found out that I was not pregnant again and that may be so quiet mostly.
You -- a great love story about your husband now and every day at 5 o'clock you think about each other and write to each other.
And let you know one of most important things that helped me get its groove back captivity my husband would send me letters which I was allowed to receive -- -- lately -- -- Day at 5 PM Los Angeles Times which is 9 AM in Pyongyang.
And -- at that time I would look out the window of my card round.
And did just that little moment that I felt we were sharing together but -- -- source of comfort for me.
How did you manage to get word out through your sister that there is trouble here and she was able to then.
Use her resources.
To get that message that the State Department and ultimately bring help.
It -- all I had to do a lot of decades if you're trying to convince my captors.
That my picture could find -- way through the connections with people she knew he would get the word out of -- you that the US and North Korea have.
Has no diplomatic relations so they have to go through intermediate areas.
Party into the captors want the -- again.
I believe that.
They were -- saying -- my relationship with at least as a means a clinic at the channel of communication.
Say at the and that the day you wanted.
A visit by former President Clinton.
And and I was able to communicate that easily and that we're so grateful my entire family is so grateful that.
He was willing to undertake such an unpredictable.
-- How is Lisa able to get that word out and make it happen.
When I was able to convey the message to the State Department as well as to -- -- My company's.
-- permanent president Al Gore and do.
People that she knew who were close to President Clinton.
You know word eventually reached hands but we -- but that.
Eye on in North Korea and -- back here in the United States.
We were a little bit skeptical as to whether you or secretariat -- -- did it actually.
We want that they're approved then this happens just because she is the secretary of state.
And why give Kim Jong-Il something he might want.
Well exactly and we're glad that that's all he wanted was it was you know.
Well I would -- -- Clinton and he did mention.
President Clinton that mentioned in the on the plane ride home that can get -- that they have.
You're the first person to call me what my father had not found packed away even before my own allies.
I've always respected that and I was wanted me -- -- And and you had a trial.
Yet he could call it that -- the it wasn't so surprising because I had been grilled.
For her everyday practically until the trial I had already issued a contraction.
And I was assigned a defense attorney one week before the trial who really was -- an extension of the prosecution it -- to than an actual defense attorney.
It was -- the -- similar questions that they did during the investigation.
And I -- that they wanted me to contract to do.
Hop style act.
Did you confessed over its wanted to overthrow the government.
I I did IIAIA.
-- in there I understood that in the north Koreans government's mind the documentary that I was working odd.
Was a good read they saw this as a threat to the -- she was and I and that.
And so I hope.
That by contracting that this that they light and by and by apologizing.
They might show mercy.
Whatever tell us -- around you basically I I don't -- and I'm sure in the event many ethical struggles.
It wasn't struggle and I didn't know it by by contracting business that might actually turn against me and leads -- -- me never.
But -- clear -- the north Koreans who were interested in it was it was our work.
Working on the documentary as opposed actually.
-- -- -- So once you read this trial and then all you hear a sentence of twelve years.
I mean I could barely stand up.
I -- and twelve years at hard labor facility that Victoria's good luck with North Korea.
And Natalie that the judge said no forgiveness no appeal -- Which can be I feared that that meant that there was no opportunity -- her any sort of appeal or.
Or for forgiveness at the end of the day.
Did you believe that that's what they truly intended to do or is that just -- -- news.
I did not -- I tried opening pages let's hope that I kinda of course I you know at the back my head I thought it would be really send.
American prisoners to.
He's -- the facility is.
Which they had never done before idol would they wanted those those things on the other hand there had been no -- Prisoners actually try it.
In North Korea so all of these things where unprecedented.
And me and I didn't know what they were capable of because North Korea is has its history of big duplicative.
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