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You say Christopher that.
At the end of the movie that if you could convince every non believer and there was one person left you can convince that person.
Not to believe -- wouldn't necessarily want to do that I would booed because of no question.
About it because the reason I get rid of it.
-- the role that religion has played in the evolution of the human mind and of our culture and our aesthetic.
Needs are respected it for anyone because -- history and tradition.
And also calls for was to win them also -- and I have no one left to.
Disorder where he's out to be no small thing actually I didn't think that -- rules is let's compare this to a group secularist who right Middle East terrorism.
The big difference between human beings is this I think you -- -- Think that you -- -- of you -- -- -- was because of the laws of physics and coach and we attribute to presence of that -- to the super natural design with the creation.
At the hospital which you are some sense of places you can tell everything about somebody from which side of that that come down and pass you can guess what line.
Right and what I would one argue -- once you had to have adopted a reduction and stick approach to things that you could that that everything is it.
There's nothing above us just sky as John -- in and -- imagine no hell below us.
As soon as you step into that world and there's no transcendence.
Then you have no real.
Basis for saying that one thing is more wicked or evil or destructive than another.
So yeah -- I believe you cut though the legs out from underneath all forms of moral the moral denunciation.
The Middle East is full of people who want to blow on another out.
Because we are bigger scope will -- because they think we haven't material or why wouldn't why -- an atheist care if they want to do that this is just what -- -- does.
You got older and older it's me in the military it's me in the name go out.
We have a -- -- version of it is -- -- you have divine commission -- -- -- I don't have any objection to an atheist fighting someone off who wants to take his life but there's a difference between two dogs fighting over piece of meat.
Where there's no appeal to a a standard.
And two human beings who say you ought not to live where you shouldn't have for you shouldn't of done this that's an appeal -- that -- -- said there's no way of making sense of the world.
And and must she do it from outside the world start said that without it and infinite reference point every finite point is absurd.
And that's that's why I would want to press Christopher to except Bertrand Russell.
His dictum that he wanted to build his world view on the firm foundation of unyielding despair I think that's consistent -- Pastor you are saying.
And this is also part of the movie professionally and you can't -- and encapsulated here in a short time it.
That -- -- on certain key points here I think.
He's -- are Christians -- your parents -- Christian.
Yes you could have easily been born to another family another part of the world right is that by happenstance or do you just happened to be Christian -- that's what your parents work.
Well I would wanna say it's not wasn't happenstance god it was a gift of god -- -- because I say in the movie.
This is a gift of god and I'm perfectly aware that it had -- been brought born into -- conservative.
-- family in Saudi Arabia.
And brought it differently I believe -- -- that God's -- as well is now under the gun back there as well.
Off if there is a god has gone only act in your family give you that -- they don't have that same get -- again god has told us to preach the gospel to every creatures that's why.
The Christian faith is evangelistic and wants this to be declared everyone.
But the point is -- from -- are concerned but.
And so that then we can't say well who's right we can't just split the difference we have to say -- these are truth claims and we have to examine it could -- Mr.
-- -- -- made -- very honest and that I think to his case rather damaging.
I'll simply say.
I don't have.
As I have a pretty hard to him myself but they're considered.
I've known as -- -- to think that Meyer arrival here was goes well I can't.
-- -- knew that I have to distrust anyone who did think of themselves because it might.
Very quickly lead them to do themselves commission to tell me what to do in the -- go to without -- will not.
Is it just a big accident.
That we're here.
It's not a divine design and we all there yet we we all acknowledge what we don't know actual we knew.
We have grazing on the very lows slips of knowledge of the -- similar in -- but we've made enormous strides just in the last few.
Tickets the only people who contribute nothing's going to lose -- -- with -- as we already have the truth and it was revealed that he is married to struggle truth.
No dates of stroke and -- -- -- -- inquiry and silence.
If you spilled milk on the kitchen floor and someone came and -- out the -- -- here the one thing you wouldn't do is you wouldn't ask the milk.
The milk doesn't know it's the accident and it doesn't matter if you take originals are aware of the milk -- -- -- -- -- and if you have a -- no -- it doesn't -- if you call -- university.
It doesn't know everybody reduced or -- an -- Let's just say that that we don't say that is shall we say it could be and if if it was true we have to face it we're just want Russell and Sartre and those have a certain idea of historic traditionalists -- drawing.
All of resignation in the post mystery that we have to prepare for the -- it's not terrible position as on -- in the course of this.
Map of the book and then the dvd and movie collision that either -- you change any of your views.
By spending all this time -- having these -- I don't think either change any fundamental news but I think both of us became aware of nuances in the other's argument the other better appreciation perhaps of the other point.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- As a result of free exchange of ideas that preaching the gospel of not not portion there's always risen is privately committed countries should markets that -- try and get straight subsidy -- or tax breaks for faith based initiative spending forward or tragic -- science in the schools in the name of it.
Fine by me but there's something about them requirement to divine mandate to -- to everyone and -- whenever whenever that makes this business as you can.
Possible there's the problem.
I I put all my kids through private school all the way I paid for my kids' tuition I also I'm the one being coerced to make payments for the propagation of beliefs that I don't believe.
And and that we have we -- we -- pay for weapons I don't wanna pay for wars and one of the things we live in a public society should pay taxes -- money over to Christopher is the one who said that we ought not to be taken money from people to subsidize -- they don't believe.
He Cleveland will observe your -- if you if you them lose the election -- -- candidate.
Isn't the president.
You will find that you were so paying taxes get and it's got quite different -- I -- we -- -- different answers to a question teaching children pseudoscience.
With -- thank you both very much the movie is called collision Wednesday opens in New York in LA on -- on that Thursday.
And of course available and Amazon on dvd thank you both very much for being here tonight and I -- so much invite us.
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