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Caption is in -- -- -- set majority leader Harry Reid says the Senate health care good rule including government run public option but.
States will be allowed to opt out of the plan.
Now does that idea have a chance to gain through the Senate Republican senator Lindsey Graham joins us live here in Washington -- -- -- know.
Now the it's a -- in yeah yeah.
Exactly it's -- good evening and though its biggest ever I don't think so why does the public option.
And has been roundly rejected by the public that the public is smart.
If you call it something else they'll figure out is still the same thing.
I know people Washington think the public -- slow but this is ridiculous to change the name and all of a sudden all us okay the consumer option.
I think most people believe that the government goes into the insurance business.
The private insurers -- -- because nobody can compete with the government.
Politicians all right these policies very generous they'll never raise premiums and eventually people the private sector and give -- to the government plan.
I explained which is they're got to explain the mechanics of this we had the Senate Finance Committee hearings and there is back and forth back forth the Republicans get the nose a little bit out -- -- -- -- much input that a senator baucus.
Right so that the bill comes out and it doesn't have this opt out provision and it but comes on the Senate Finance Committee lot of hoopla.
And then out today senator Reid says okay it has this opt out provision -- -- -- Adams.
You left out one felt that that help committee passed a health care bill -- the education health committee.
The finance committee passed a bill one had the public option the other didn't.
But the public -- had it was not a public option with an -- yes it does it mean this opt out making this up as they go much we'll say this not because it -- -- -- help committee had the public after.
What about we you know I doubt for a senate finance head no public general public -- it -- so this idea this popped out.
Came out of nowhere by senator -- Well there's three people riding one sense of the economy.
You know remember when President Obama ran that we will have C -- will cover the negotiations on health.
I mean yeah I heard the word bad -- they know where they're negotiating the Republicans Mozilla joined in the beginning but now I hit the -- senate finance -- the Democrats Sasser and help us this position got a giant because they even part of that is.
Literally three people the committee chairman Harry Reid and somebody from the White House sitting in -- room and undisclosed location.
Driving health care bill that no one will get to read we're making this so this would go -- won six of the economy.
This is not change we can believe -- this is a disaster this is a legislative disaster you can't read these bills we don't know what senate.
The public option as a horrible idea and they're making it up as they -- Well what we spend the money and all these hearings if -- going to be.
Senator Reid was just -- decide this by himself for the round essentially miffed because this out this -- -- they came so where can I mean he came on -- every.
Why why we -- Kinda get votes state they've got themselves in a corner and this is dangerous time for the American people.
They've run on reforming health care.
They floated this big government -- the public didn't like is so they're trying to repackage it to call it something else you cannot doubt if you don't like it the people pushing this.
The public option for the most liberal people in the country and -- hit a wall -- the American people.
They're rewriting the bill nobody knows what they're doing I have no idea even where they need.
And they're trying to spring this on us they had a news conference facing the public option with an opt out as -- -- -- -- that come for a.
I'd say even the Democrats and the help committee and the Senate finance must be up announced that they waste their time and let's face it with an interest in it so throughout the hottest.
Well I can say this is a dangerous time for for the American people who have the congress behave this way.
And this is not change that anybody believed would come about if let's say I'm an eleven would say -- -- and my state decides to opt out right.
Do I still have to pay for your states.
Well -- forget who who decides in Wisconsin does it governor -- I'm legislatures that a referendum.
Can you opt out of the penalties can you opt out of the mandate to be covered -- new job data on the increase -- taxes -- So that they're trying to get the sixty votes the public option standing alone was roundly rejected.
So they're coming out with a clever idea that no one's ever heard of before announced today will if you don't like it you can opt out the truth is.
If he had the public option anywhere is going to drive people out of business everywhere in the health -- -- In the private sector.
Is that thinking that that this opt out is it really gonna pass and so we're gonna go back to senator Olympia Snowe is trigger and so several way to sort of bring her into the -- they're trying to get.
Here's the story they get sixty votes they can get all the Democrats on the same sheet -- music they're hoping this has been Nelson they opt out patient.
Well then they've lost Olympia -- she says I'm not -- the opt out provision no one's ever heard -- it before until the day.
So at the end of the day they're trying to get sixty votes but we should be doing is sitting down in a room together Republicans and Democrats trying to top sale and silence in this country.
Actually don't -- no apparently don't -- -- -- senators exits just this is apparently not.
Apparently we don't -- read the bills we don't need have a million in the rest you guys couldn't decide I want her to failing believable sinner now I see a second.
Good luck Republican senator John Cornyn thinks senator Reid's plan they say Trojan horse earlier he went on record.
Senator nice to see if they're good to see you big news says senator Reid came out and said.
The public action on the table and even with this opt out at him I think.
It's very odd.
You know they work very hard to get senators know.
On the finance committee bill she was the only Republican who voted for it.
She said she can't support the public option so now they've rejected her support for the bill which apparently does not even have sixty votes.
Among Democrats so it's.
Very interesting strategy I haven't figured out yet.
Well it's senator Snowe said she would do indeed.
Public got to with the trigger aspect where -- if there's certain -- time passed and some thresholds that debt.
And it and that it would trigger the public -- -- -- this is something different the senator Reid was do you understand it.
Well I think I understand it and if the state chooses to opt out you can you don't have to have a public.
Plan or government run option in your statements are taxpayers are still paying.
For the subsidies that will be enjoyed by everyone else who does participate I don't think we should be fooled by this this is really.
Some people said like Robert Samuelson is call -- a mirage.
This is really up.
So it offers something which it does not in fact offer.
Or guarantee which is.
Private choice it is.
A pathway to a government run plant a Trojan horse if you will.
It's that -- that I understand it isn't like this if I'm from Wisconsin and I've paid for because I'm a taxpayer to the -- Obama my statement decides to opt out.
So I'm not going up the game my private I'm paying twice essentially so I the -- there's no rebate back to the state that apps that that pops out there's no in the plan.
Apparently -- not the plan enough I don't think it would work because as you know the two entitlement programs we have now Medicare and Medicaid.
-- have 38 trillion dollars of unfunded liabilities those those are broken already this creates us a third.
The government run plan or entitlement.
And of course the government's -- need the revenue from our taxpayers and all fifty states in order to pay forty.
Regardless of whether your state pops up so is there any incentive for your state to opt out what do you what is your state get out -- out.
Well it's not clear to me but I you know I think the deet -- are.
Really almost beside the point because I don't think this is the goal I think the goal is to create enough confusion.
That it allows them to get that Trojan horse into.
Into the and into the -- Because -- I think the goal is to drive private insurers out of business by undercutting them.
Encouraging employers to drop their employees off of their employer provided health insurance coverage.
So that ultimately you end up on a single Payer government run health care system for all Americans I think that's the goal.
I if us senator Reid can't peel off -- -- from the Republicans in and vote with the Democrats.
Does he have the sixty votes to -- out of the -- the filibuster.
I don't see how he does not mean last week he had a big surprise -- thirteen Democrats crossed over joined all Republicans and said.
We're not racking up 300 billion dollars and more red -- On -- one point four trillion dollar deficit.
So I think regardless of whether he successfully getting the so called.
Public option with the state opt out in the bill you're still looking at individuals with insurance seeing those premiums rise.
You're seeing taxes imposed on middle class taxpayers.
And you're seeing 500 billion dollars cut out of Medicare benefits for seniors.
-- I don't see how that gets particularly.
Very -- for.
Those Democrats who got nervous that the 300 billion dollars of additional deficit spending so -- -- likely lose -- senator Landrieu from.
Louisiana -- going to lose her.
I think of the that ten to thirteen moderates and all -- I think there's a good chance I I think he's gonna have a very tough time these are going to be some really.
Very difficult votes -- -- for people up for running for reelection in 2010.
Thanks negative public you know that maybe -- really -- senator -- to come back into the of his thinking.
Or executives that Democrat -- give out any any other Republicans say I made you'll often in this public option.
I don't think so I mean it's a very strange strategy if your goal is to actually be successful and pass a bipartisan bill.
Is to reject the only Republican who supported the bill.
In the finance committee.
And to try to do strictly a Democrat partisan approach in the Senate.
So I think the form of the bill the substance is gonna have to change.
Before he can expect Republicans to come over Jordan would like to work out something that makes sense but this didn't make any sense.
How much consultation there were differences -- what does last time senator Reid Republican on -- understand every second that hey what do you think.
Well that we had a little bit of back and forth in the Senate Finance Committee but I think that was pretty much the end of it two weeks ago really doubt that you've had no calls since then now.
You know any other Republican on the senate finance commitments got a phone call the past couple weeks as they try to hammer this out.
Well -- you would call they had does senator Grassley and senator Lindsey along with senators know work with senator baucus and southern -- CN center.
I'm not aware of any than any other contact I understand senator reads in Houston than regular contact with senators know but I don't have personal knowledge of that.
What do you think the -- -- that the outline that senator Reid made today would this opt out public option.
That's going to -- -- here on BS the sixties that you get sixty I don't think it's gonna pass I think the purpose so that if I can.
Sort of read his mind is to show the left that we tried to do the public option we couldn't get there.
So now we have to go do a trigger some other mechanism that might get more -- Think he -- that conversation with senators know that -- -- -- on the limb.
At least for the moment say that they really want this public -- and an opt out but.
Don't worry won't pass and it doesn't -- the comeback -- trigger point now you come in in the sense is that the way this works and I wouldn't want to speculate but I wouldn't be surprised really that at a patio and a surprise then that.
Well there's lot of conversations that occur behind closed doors here that's why we feel so strongly I feel so strongly we did a more transparent.
Exercise we've got to build this place we've been written behind closed doors this.
As you know and -- -- but succeeding yet so we need to see the bill we need to see the language.
We'd have the Congressional Budget Office tell us how much gonna cost.
Because I suspect -- an awful lot of Americans would like to know what's in the bill in addition to those of us who represent them.
And they might have something to say about how it affects them and -- covered.
So you wouldn't like that on the -- -- -- senator -- not say S senator Reid dead well we talked about this thing that's just not that at this point I think it's we've gone too far I don't think that's gonna happen.
Senator thank you very much thanks very -- isn't.
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