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Mark good morning to you well when I've been married so this wouldn't talk about Wiki -- -- Julian of Saul is gone way.
This story is unfolding by the minute so he's in jail in in London.
And now all -- a cyber.
Attack cyber binge if you will.
Against any of the Wiki leaks supporters.
Master card was one of them which is one of the ways that Wiki leaks is able to raise funds.
Met -- -- was was a sponsor.
Until recently when this.
These leaks most recent leaks were leaked to -- And now you have the foreign minister of Australia saying -- -- what this is not Julian assigns his -- the burden is not on his so shoulders in fact this is a reflection of the adequate seen in quotes of big US security system.
So and this guy is wanted for -- -- six offenses in Sweden.
And that's why he's being held in without -- in Britain because these they did the judge says that he might that's gone there.
What -- oh yeah and then there's that issue of free speech some people are saying hey listen this guy has a right to it to see what he wants to say well you I mean.
It appears that enjoy -- is deeply flawed individual.
Get a lot of issues but.
For the First Amendment.
Situation you know I think he he sort of blew himself up when he released the diplomatic.
Cables and you'll see that you see that that the tide has turned against him.
You know we release the reports on Iraq and Afghanistan he sort of have -- cover of sort of a whistle blower.
You know you could -- that he released that information -- the war was going badly.
And was upset about future the -- and -- the Pentagon papers I mean the reason.
Daniel Ellsberg sort of -- covers -- -- looked at as a whistle -- that report is the show the war wasn't going well probably wasn't gonna go well.
But when the sun started releasing diplomatic cables has really no justification other than to embarrass the parties -- -- there's no.
You know what he's saying diplomatic yes you know it.
And you just as Sony -- basically can't what's the point yet -- and and with with freedom it's the first of freedom of speech is it is is a constitutional right here in the United States not all countries have it.
And it's our First Amendment to the constitution which means that it was truly the most important that's the way it was written but it was written with limitations.
You have -- you you have the right to freedom of speech but if you create a problem like libel and you're now responsible and sustained thing with screaming fire and crowded theater.
You can see something that you have to be responsible for the ramifications so.
Didn't he -- well I'll be right to put this out there but he needs to be held responsible for the KS that he's created.
On the diplomatic landscape out there and for a before the United States and for our troops overseas as well.
And for our personnel on foreign embassies -- me is exposing that so yes he could put this out there's but he -- understand how it's impacting.
I have and not to mention the speech this isn't this isn't him -- speaking about things he's releasing information is sort of like if you know I am I Times Square soft software I can just publish write us I can't you read a book I can't publish it undermine it.
-- -- -- you know it's it will strengthen its cover property but that the governor of pride their interest and in this things -- you can't just publish other people's work.
Other ramifications I mean so -- that the classified nature -- I mean.
The that the speech -- he's releasing its not his speech so then I think the question that people when you know as a former prosecutor ask you mark.
How do you prosecute this guy what is it.
That's going to taken down is that they -- sex offenses.
Does it have to do something with that the leaks well -- -- he has he has his own problems in Sweden and you know I've seen some of the facts and you know.
-- -- telling us what.
I mean you know I've always been talk about the espionage act and it's not often used book and it's and it's fairly -- -- he infect -- under the criteria.
You know it's it's either Cheney releasing information that's harmful the US.
Or helps your allies and he's he's sort of buried himself -- certain statements he's made about bringing down.
US administration I mean even Floyd Abrams who defended.
The New York Times in the the Pentagon papers -- said that he's basically made a good case against so then if in fact -- there's -- There you're able to you being the prosecutor -- -- to.
Invoke the espionage act against this guy let's say.
What about his supporters and the people who have all the other documents -- -- and ready to push a button to release them if in fact he is prosecuted.
You know it that this situation reveals -- real problem which would cyber security you know.
Everyone's gotten pretty good at at the hardware side with the real weakness and and cyber security is the people.
Because -- you watch -- people -- The person.
Who leaked this data access for someone who who had -- -- -- security clearance.
And and he was the flaw in the system.
As far as prosecuting -- sons are in really really need to do well.
I don't make it sound so so -- -- basically it's it's really the intent portion of that I mean there.
You know the nuts and bolts he he got the information -- released it's it's harmful except as is in the in this historical cases which mostly go back to -- -- the the issue is usually via the intent intent to do harm.
So you have to make that case I think the -- and enough.
-- an -- Floyd Abrams as -- -- is what do you most premier First Amendment defender in the United States and if he's jury said that.
That she and he would he would jump at the ability to represent someone if he really thought that the First Amendment rights -- -- and were violated.
But -- he -- it is stated that he's made Baghdad killing assumptions -- ready.
Made his case against him as well then clearly he it's problematic so and so I think he'd be better off just being shipped over to Sweden and being prosecuted there.
Four many -- they rape crimes that he was accused up.
That being brought back here as well because -- so both it would people yeah I mean we we would like and the quite frankly -- he if he committed a violent crimes on women.
He should be prosecuted for that as well but it's going to be problematic for him to defend himself.
And then a disk again marketing and they knew as well Regina dating back to the whole notion of the consolidation.
Supporters out there.
Heidi eat eat eat your -- even saying that it just -- indicative of the fact that they had this.
The Internet the cyber world is like the wild wild west and it's hard to find people who were Bibby anonymous.
Folks behind -- -- is they choose to -- out there so Heidi get those guys.
-- I think their -- way is that you know.
-- there could be cyber attacks which you know by our government -- -- people would hit its.
The cats -- today and I don't think the government would want to expose certain techniques they would have maybe could target.
You know where the information is on the front pretty widely dispersed enough but it.
And it depends what countries Marion what what he -- rules and laws of that country are whether or not they can't be the people transferred over here as well mean.
We have to figure how how does that hit -- -- everybody yes and you can't.
So this is -- it's gonna be complicated task but.
The CIA and FBI in similar entities overseas and they're probably working on.
How to identify those -- hopefully before they pressed the button and we were a lot of other information as well and unfortunately there always copycats.
It comes to any sort of a criminal behavior.
So I imagine the way this is handled will either encourage or you know -- -- fire to the folks out there who might decide that they're.
Racking up to do this kind of -- to him.
I think it is -- or one of the things you're serving in the race that there were.
Their war -- Sort of flags out -- -- personally that this.
Yes they -- specialist Manning.
You know there -- there was some flags that if if it were watching.
Would've caused institute questioned his reliability and with that in mind and what do you say to the Australian foreign minister's.
Did did that in fact guess what this is not about the -- about the US.
The adequacy of the US security system well I'm.
I think both.
People are equal equally guilty I mean it's like it it's like a classic crime I steal something and you know I sold few you know -- -- doesn't mean year.
You know absolve against I don't know that yet but I know it's hot -- still gonna love your heart into trouble and people party is unclean hands and that they're going to have connected to make sure that they -- that -- -- -- no doubt about it it's that complicated.
Subject it's so many so many layers.
And it's going to be really interest -- seeing how this -- about not to mention whatever.
Irreparable damage that has possibly been done with the various foreign relations that we -- of the countries and our allies and payment.
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