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Joining us now to discuss the conflict in Georgia and the possibility of becoming a vice presidential running mate.
-- two national co chairs from the campaigns.
Former Republican governor of Pennsylvania Tom ridge.
And from St.
Louis democratic senator Claire McCaskill and both of you welcome back to Fox News that I thank you.
-- senator good morning.
Governor ridge okay you just heard Secretary Rice John McCain has been saying for years that the president is too soft on Vladimir Putin and here's John McCain had to say.
I don't know the president quote mr.
-- but I do believe that the president.
Probably had a higher opinion.
-- -- -- McCain now says that Russia must quote pay a price for its options specifically what would president McCain.
Did we think the real challenge for president McCain or any president in the 21 century group.
How we hold other countries accountable.
And since the United Nations is relatively ineffective for the military is always the last results.
Last resort so I suspect.
John would do seriously promote the notion of reducing the G-8 to G seven to send a signal to.
To Russia that.
The rules that you need to abide by if you be part of the G-8.
Than peace and stability in being participating in the civilized world.
Repudiate the kind of aggression that we saw in Georgia.
What about keeping them out of the World Trade Organization what about going after government and I think probably -- all these options have to be on the table and we didn't question of accountability in this is unprovoked aggression genocide was fall.
And misleading and unsubstantiated.
But the notion -- Russian peacekeepers.
One of the most endangered species apparently is.
The emerging leadership of movement democracies in the Russian neighborhood and clearly these.
Potent -- to be held accountable.
Senator -- one of all bombers top foreign policy advisers Susan rice.
One after McCain this week and let's take a look at what he had decided.
Shot from the hip a very aggressive very belligerent statement he may or may not have complicated the situation.
As senator Howell did.
McCain complicate the situation was he'd just quicker than Obama to understand and recognize Russian aggression.
Well listen there's no question the Barack Obama understood this is Russian aggression and took a strong and principled stand against the actions of Russia.
But this is not a time to make political points.
What Barack Obama had an edge get exuded and it was Susan rice who is making political points Obama's top farm policy advice I think John McCain's reaction to what happened in Russia.
I did not reflect well on on the position he should've taken and that is one of understanding we have one president in this country.
And that secretary of state rice and President Bush need the support of both presidential candidates in a very tricky time.
As it relates to Russia and that the neighboring states that are trying to establish democracies what we need to be right now.
Is supportive of accountability.
Towards the aggression of Russia.
Supporting Georgia in their democracy and and their neighbors.
And be very supportive to our allies such as president Sarkozy and France who is who is -- heavy lifting here and it relates to.
The event that making sure that there is no more aggression.
Senator aren't about to let us want to pick up on the first party a statement are you suggesting that that somehow I'm McCain.
Undercut President Bush and secretary of state rights.
I think him on doing press releases and and sending some of his political.
But to Georgia.
I think some of it began to -- like a political campaign instead of principled.
And strong diplomacy.
And and very and very strong and principled positions that we must have.
But there is only one president and there are does look there's a -- you can cross in terms of being presumptuous.
They accused Barack Obama being presumptuous for going to Europe and meeting with our allies what is presumptuous.
Is she tried undercutting any way the very difficult and tricky work the President Bush and Secretary Rice are trying to do right now.
And all the way to look at senate vote -- let me let Tom -- and hear the senator I could degree were you more with regard to your call for bipartisanship.
But I disagree we view it in every every way to suggest that.
John McCain's response.
To the aggression in Russia was anything other than appropriate he called for an international peacekeeping force.
He called for humanitarian aid he caught it exactly what it is unprovoked aggression and until.
You're the kind of principled leadership -- that we need in this country will be provided by a by then president McCain.
-- leadership based upon experience and informed judgment and he was his call was actually correct I agree -- you that we need to be bipartisan but I don't think we should undercut.
It very specific response to a very aggressive threat.
Well let me let me make two points here one is that block Obama has been the candidate talking about from day one of this campaign that our diplomacy needs to be worldwide.
That are threats -- worldwide.
And it is in fact the foreign policy of George Bush could have had a focused in Iraq and John McCain has been the same way in this campaign focused on Iraq while there are other dangers around the world.
Secondly Barack Obama is the one who's been talking about supporting Georgia an action plan towards membership in NATO.
And I do agree and I know Barack Obama agrees the WTO should be out of the question at this point.
Until we determine whether or not Russia is gonna stay good to its word and getting out of of Georgia the.
I didn't write one seconds that I want to look this up I think it's important that Senator Obama the support -- president George event senator McCain's been there three times I've been many of the cities that have been subjected to be aggressive.
Russian tactics and there is nobody.
And in the I think in the center of the United States.
That has any greater experience dealing with foreign leaders.
Based upon experienced an informed judgment and relationship right -- John -- Let's move up this governor ridge John McCain stirred the vice presidential pop this week when he said.
The following about -- and let's put up on the screen Tom ridge is one of the great leaders and he happens to be pro choice.
And I don't think that would necessarily ruled Tom ridge out.
Question given its long pro life history do you really think that the Republican Party would accept a pro choice running.
My friend of 25 years is passionately.
And he's also passionately believe that Republican Party must we have a big -- And I think frankly what did you -- to the rest of the world.
Is that we need to accept both points of view he's not judgmental about me or my belief he just disagrees with -- there's no doubt in my mind no doubt whatsoever.
That there would be he would have a strong pro life and administration had no question about to answer my question -- simply didn't Republican Party would accept.
A pro choice running night well I think that we have to first of all to John to decide where they want from pro choice running mate we have to see how the Republican Party would.
A rally around at the end of the day I think Republican Party will be comfortable whatever choice John may.
Now I just want to follow up one more time on this the last time you were here we talked about your pro choice -- and and here's what you -- -- Well I believe what I believe in my -- that point of view before I got into elective office I've had it when I serve and I have it now.
Governor have you talked with McCain about your pro choice views on abortion.
And whether you would follow his pro life he has if you were to become his running.
Well we've had no discussions on this very important issue is -- -- -- -- He understands majority Republican Party disagrees with the image issue we've had no conversations and the last time I checked the vice president it is not an Independent voice he echoes the position of the president of the United States and that's what you would do -- -- and responsibility vice president -- -- -- Unwilling or unable to do that and I think you should defer to someone else.
Senator McCaskill the big news from Democrats was this week is that after giving Hillary Clinton a speaking role.
On Tuesday night and Bill Clinton as they can roll on Wednesday night.
Now Hillary Clinton's going to get our name placed in nomination and to have a roll call question.
Is that the way president Obama wouldn't negotiate to just keep caving in.
Well first of all there's not been any caving in.
-- Clinton is not the enemy Hillary Clinton Barack Obama are working together.
On making missing great convention what we can talk about changing this country.
You know the policies of this administration which are identical economic policies to data John McCain.
Have to have driven this country into a ditch and and Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are working together and but Barack Obama is doing is saying to Hillary Clinton.
What do you think would be best in terms of bringing us all together.
You can not be afraid to work with anyone certainly someone who agrees on the issues like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama do.
Senator do you really think that a roll call vote is going to satisfy those Clinton's supporters.
Who are still.
A couple of months after the fact still unhappy and air about her defeat you really think they're going to subtle for the pageant of a roll call.
I think that.
Everyone needs to wait and see in tune in and watch.
I think it will be an interesting convention I think America will get a chance to look at the priorities of our party.
A what were worried about in terms of the future of this country.
The kitchen table issues of whether or not we're going to continue to reward companies.
For taking jobs overseas whether the tax code is going to be about the few in the wealthier about the middle class.
And that's what they need to tune in watch I think you're gonna be surprised how well we come together at next week.
-- I want I want to pick up senator McCaskill on exactly that issue of taxes because this week Obama once again changed his tax plan.
He now says that the payroll tax he had proposed that would kick in for people making over 250000.
Dollars a year.
Would not be imposed.
Until at least a decade from now which means that he served two terms.
It would be two years after he left the presidency.
He also says that he won't raise the capital gains tax now to more than 20% he had previously suggested.
He might raise it to 28%.
Has -- has Obama scaled back his tax -- because McCain is attacking him as a big taxer.
No not at all in fact he has said from the very beginning there will be absolutely no tax increase for anyone who makes.
250000 dollars or less and in fact Soviet tax cut for the vast majority of America.
There will be a few who will go back to the tax rate they paid in the ninety's.
And this is been a consistent position he's had all the way but -- tax issue is about fixing Social Security.
It's about fairness in the way that we fund social security and what he's advocating is something that Lindsey Graham has talked about.
A somebody you can't ever seen John McCain without seeing Lindsey Graham at his side.
And if we're going to fix Social Security we need some tough truth talk with the American people that's what that's what Barack Obama.
Governor I'm going to give you a chance to -- respond to that I also -- want you to respond to the Obama camp which says that the McCain tax plan that he is bush on steroids that he would propose three.
Point four trillion dollars and more tax cuts than than bush has proposed and that his plan would be even more geared to big companies big corporations and the wealthy.
Well at a time doing this doing this campaign where we're looking at each candidate to see how consistent they are on there.
I'm very important that physicians one consistent position that Senator Obama as is he likes taxes.
He's going to tax income Social Security dividends capital gains even raise the estate tax so there is a certain level of consistency there is voted for tax increases -- four times.
John McCain is ever voted for tax increase.
No -- John has said in order to create an innovative.
21 century job creation -- you need to kept.
You need to cut the corporate tax rate -- make -- -- tax credit permanent -- need to expand our markets overseas it's a job creation approach that he's taking along with that all intellectually you're playing -- -- Which you would nuclear lets you would clean coal technology -- deal -- drilling offshore and the energy.
It arena itself with innovation will create hundreds of thousands of jobs if we embraces all -- approach.
And we're going to have to leave it there governor -- senator McCaskill -- want to thank you both for talking with us today.
And we'll see both at a convention issue well thank you thank thank senator thank you governor.
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