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By almost any measure Mike Huckabee has -- about top contenders for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination.
Death and it's a big -- he decides to run.
He's he's -- -- a book called a simple government which offers a blueprint for a possible campaign.
And earlier I sat down with.
Governor Huckabee welcome back to Fox News on that -- thank you very much Chris let's start where is.
The big question which is of course whether or not you're gonna run for president and you have recently sent some some negative signals if I'm -- You said this week.
You're making big money for the first time in your life and you -- you'll be completely destitute.
If you run and -- you said you'll only run if you have strong financial support I don't plan a jump at a pool that has no water sensible.
And in your book you say in the game of campaigning.
I actually dread.
The process question.
Should someone run for president who has so many doubts I love.
Campaigning Chris I think I need to qualify I don't.
You enjoy what I would call the career real.
Which is the part you dread and appropriately she spends so much of your time defending.
Rather than actually going out and talking about issues that you think would make America -- great country now I don't think that's gonna change any time soon.
But what I find -- you're saying is if you.
Are even halfway honest when asked the question.
It's sort of like the old Jack Webb everything you say can and will be used to Steve.
I'm I'm finding more and more that.
Trying to give an honest answer which is I don't know but here are the thought process is people interpret that and -- come to a conclusion the fact is I'm very much considering.
Doing it again I think I have the advantage.
Not only because a poll numbers but I've been there I've done it so I know what I'd be walking into a lot of people don't.
Let's face it obviously you you're promoting a book -- -- a potential candidate is good for business in that sense.
But here's the serious question I think -- -- relating to all this don't the American people deserve a candidate.
Who believes -- all of his or her heart that they are the best person for the.
And one of the reasons that I have not yet made that decision is because I'm working through that process I think I would be inside -- an excellent president and a good candidate.
But what I want to know is -- I think I can carry it to the finish line.
Can I raise the level of money.
And obscene amount of money that's going to be necessary to win the primary and then to challenge and incumbent president he's gonna have a billion dollars piled up.
Just wait non somebody to come after one thing you don't.
Express any ambivalence about is your opinion of Barack Obama and you say this in your book just about everything he thinks is good for America.
Is actually -- for our present and worse for our future.
His accumulation of debt is horrifying.
He has created more debt in two years than George Bush did in eight.
The debt that we face it I believe is the most serious crisis outside.
The threat of terrorism the threat of jihadist and that confronts America.
And we cannot rebuild our economy and get people back to work and -- job site.
As long as we have a president who thinks that if the federal government just keeps on spending money we're gonna be so much better off.
I mean the first rule is if you're in -- hole quit -- If you're a fan we need you just lost your job when your broke you don't -- -- -- spending spree you start figuring out how to cut your expenses.
This week the president decided.
Decided that they defense of marriage act which bars federal recognition.
Of same sex marriage is unconstitutional.
And he directed the Justice Department to -- no longer.
Defend the -- of the defense of marriage act in court -- say that that could.
The president is not over the top.
No not -- -- whining maybe that's hyperbole but -- politicians are -- little hyperbole as our talk show us.
But here's what I mean that -- first of all he alienated the African American community.
Overwhelmingly African American support traditional marriage more than Hispanics in more than whites you know than the white community it's about 56%.
65 and -- Hispanic 75.
In the African American community.
You have African American church leaders like Anthony Evans coming out saying.
Of the 34000.
Churches that he networks where they are.
In arms about this this study Italy is that is unconstitutional.
I mean he was saying give an honest -- take a look at that.
He said because some lower court decided that a part of -- what was unconstitutional.
That he would not enforce it OK by that logic.
He should not try to implement obamacare because some lower -- -- party decided that it's unconstitutional.
It's hypocritical and it's dishonest because when he ran for president Chris.
He said he supported traditional marriage.
He's on the record now the question is was he dishonest and sleazy dishonest now -- he changed his view -- -- -- did when and why.
If he did changes you is that legitimate.
He better explain why because that's not why he got elected and here's another thing I think he's got to explain.
Why is it that on one hand he has been saying that -- this issue was addressed -- should be addressed legislatively.
And now he's doing it not.
Legislatively not even judicially judicially would go to the Supreme Court he's doing it administratively.
I don't think that what he's doing his constitutional.
If the president begins to decide which pieces of the law he's gonna choose to support our endorsed or enforce.
Based on a lower court decision.
Not because it's actually bubbled up to a final adjudication.
That is an on usual precedent for a president says that he says he's gonna enforce it he just says that he's not gonna defend it in court cases.
Well but this is really the same thing.
That that he has decided that this is a part of all he doesn't like so he's not gonna recognize it I don't think a president and the executive branch.
Can thumb his nose.
At a branch of government that is incomplete in its assessment.
Of a law Ronald Reagan's eleventh commandment was thou shalt not speak ill of any.
Other Republican and I would submit that you have been breaking.
Reagan's eleventh amendment risks and a life -- what about on how well look in your book you say oven Mitt Romney is planned for Massachusetts quote.
If our goal and Health Care Reform has better care at lower cost.
That we should take a lesson from Romney care which shows that socialized medicine does not work socialized medicine.
Well that's what it is when the government runs the program and by the way I think there's a real difference in Ronald Reagan saying don't speak ill of another Republican.
Did don't evaluate what another republicans' proposal Sar I if you wanna go about that.
Let's go back four years ago and look at all the different things that I was criticized -- on my fellow Republicans including Mitt Romney.
The point is policy differences are legitimate if we start attacking each other on integrity and character I think that's a problem the which I haven't done.
But I do think that Wall Street Journal's analysis of the Massachusetts Health Care bill.
Showed that it was exactly almost a carbon copies the state level of what obamacare was at the national level and it showed that cost have gone up.
They're out of control people are waiting longer to see a doctor and the quality of health -- is down and the people of Massachusetts are less satisfied.
With their health care than they were before the program 100 million to play.
-- -- Romney care is as as it is the as signature accomplishment as governor of Massachusetts and you -- in your book it's an experiment that blew up socialized medicine you've just had harsh words now.
What does that say about his fitness to be the Republican nominee for president I don't think it disqualifies him hello may surprise you with us.
I think the purpose of states.
Are always to be laboratories of government are wrote about this in the book I quote justice Brandeis from 1932 -- talked about his -- his laboratory -- socialized medicine and good conservative.
It's not a good plan but he attempted something that he wanted to see.
Would it work.
You know I think his answer ought to be not -- when -- it's not what I really did it's different because it really isn't that much different I don't think he ought to try to say well.
It's the same plan but they didn't implement the right way and I wanna be just say we tried it it it didn't really work like we thought.
But that's what states ought to do and I'm willing to take your -- that's what leaders do I don't have a problem with our governor in any state.
Trying something bold but if it doesn't work for heaven's sakes let's don't put it all fifty states Sarah Palin Michelle Bachman and Rush Limbaugh have all criticized.
Michelle Obama's anti obesity campaign as a nanny state run -- -- you say they're all wrong and in fact that we should all be thanking the First Lady I didn't say they're all wrong let's be real clear present it sounds like -- a war with.
Sarah -- Michelle Bachman and Rush Limbaugh and I'm not.
I'm just simply saying that what Michelle Obama is proposing is not that the government tells you you can eat dessert.
But that's Michelle Obama has proposed.
Is that we recognize that we have a serious obesity crisis which we do 75%.
Of the military eligible kids.
Going into the army can't qualify for the physical because -- either overweight or obese and can't meet the minimum army standards.
This is no longer just a health issue an economic issue.
It is becoming an issue of national security we got less -- -- minutes left I wanna ask you about two things to wishes that you were gonna face if you get back into that process.
All -- got chizik -- say you drag if you do run for president one of the issues you're gonna face is conservative fiscal groups.
-- that you were a big tax and spender as governor of Arkansas let's put up part of your record.
Taxes went up and out of 500 million dollars during your -- as governor including.
An increase in the sales tax increase in the cigarette tax and a 3% income tax surcharge.
The surcharge I did not support or sign and I did signed its repeal so that's a misnomer.
Secondly the half million dollar sales tax was because of the court ordered education case that we had to deal with that you -- another sales tax increase when you came in as governor.
That was a 18 for conservation which meant that we were able to dedicate.
Funds for the preservation of the natural state which is the State's motto.
Natural preserves it was supported by the voters it was on the ballot -- I supported yes but you know what so -- the voters and they voted for it.
Now here's what I did do to cut money for tax is the largest number of tax increases -- tax decreases in the history of the state.
And in addition to that we did some tax policy that really help people at the bottom we eliminated the marriage penalty we improve the child care tax credit.
We made sure that we cut the capital gains tax so that businesses can afford to keep going.
That's a record that I am product -- -- decide when.
I'm waiting to see what kind of reaction this book is my message this book is what I stand far when I believe.
I want people to say you know what that guy's got ideas we could live with -- maybe they're gonna say -- -- it's crazy so little tanks figure out what.
It's gonna give me and I -- you know what if you can't sell your own message.
Then chances are there's not a big constituency out there and to run for president.
You gotta have people who believe in what you stand for governor gonna have to leave it there you said you're gonna decide by this summer correct that the latest -- -- Thank you so much it won't be waiting and watching to see what you decide thank -- -- I feel great to be here thank you.
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