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And hello again from Fox News in Washington.
As they struggle with huge project out and take on public workers are first gas has become the new -- Hawaii of American politics.
Republican governor Mitch Daniels of Indiana is being celebrated for turning deficits into surpluses and batting jobs.
And some are saying he should be the Republican nominee for president next year.
Governor Daniels joins us now governor welcome back to FOX News Sunday.
Thank you risk and we need to say that what's going on there is that you just had rotator cuff surgery and you're not gonna be ready for spring threat.
All the right wing -- Savard then made so.
Must I mean it with a baseball -- All right you're it is -- you're in the middle of a standoff right now with house Democrats who have.
Crossed state lines that are inside Illinois -- and are blocking any action it in the legislature they first said that they were fighting.
Against the right to work law which is now dad now they say they're fighting against eleven other bills on the agenda question.
Are you prepared to make a deal to get those house Democrats back to India.
-- if they come back we'll talk about.
What sort of changes -- amendments they might want but.
While they are subverting the democratic process the there's nothing to talk about so they come back to work will talk about their concerns.
You you describe it quite accurately Chris I was situated very different than Wisconsin this is not about government.
Unions this was a bill I did not initiate and I thought ought to really wait for a different time because I thought exactly this might happen.
And it might get in the way of a very important agenda that was late in front of the people of Indiana.
Low tax agenda reduce the corporate tax to attract jobs reform education so forth.
They ran off to Illinois ostensibly.
Over the right to work bill but as soon as but -- as they got what they wanted there.
They issued an ultimatum from -- hot -- over there with about ten more items this didn't just tell you how.
Reactionary Indiana Democrats are the first four items they want -- our president Obama's race to the top again.
When -- union.
It's started protesting.
The right to work law this week and house Democrats took -- -- you said.
That you thought that the bill should be dropped as he just pointed out -- you at a deaths.
Even the smallest minority and that's what we've heard from the last couple days has every right to express the strength -- its views not salute those who did.
Conservative bloggers immediately -- emerges that you weren't tough enough said that you wanted a truce on fiscal issues.
And the day after you issued a much -- statement here -- -- The house Democrats have shown complete contempt for the democratic process.
Were you trying to reassure conservatives.
That you are tough and.
Now is reiterating exactly what I said the first day I was a little like yes careless about my programs the statement I made I'll make again.
I was referring to the private sector protesters the union members who came to.
Disagree with the right to work law they had and they have every right to use their express their First Amendment.
Point of view.
I want when I I was distinguished united them salute them though you weren't talking about the Indiana house Democrat well I mean and in fact it's a very I guess I'm glad I made a mistake that allows us to really I think clarify an important distinction.
It's one thing.
For the people.
In the private sector to express their point of view as our protesters -- it's quite another for public servants accepting a public paycheck.
Having lost an election to a very clear agenda.
Two to try to trash the process run off to a different state hide out.
That's what I said on both those days was completely diligent all right Andy you took away what what.
Lot of Wisconsin now you took away public worker is.
Collective bargaining rights by executive order is six years ago the day after you were sworn into office but now.
You were calling -- unions the privilege it leak question.
Teachers public safety officers the -- only.
Across America Chris we've had a huge in version.
There may have been a time a century ago where public employees were.
-- that are vulnerable and many and and and underpaid.
If that -- was ever a problem we have over fixed -- not everywhere but in many places and as you know very well public employees in America most.
Decidedly federal employees but everywhere are better -- -- the taxpayer who pays your salary when you -- -- much more generous benefits and much more generous pensions on top the gap widens.
And then there is near total job security in the last recession Hubert it would called teacher is that a public service you said their public service.
Would you really -- teachers a privilege -- -- I was really -- about the government unions.
Of whom their union of course is one.
Now it is true.
That teachers are paid Indiana 22% more than the taxpayer who pays -- -- the benefits raise that further that's all true I have to think that's a good idea.
We have some of the best paid teachers in America and I think that's absolutely fine fact.
One of the bills are Democrats want -- to kill what allows to pay the best teachers more which is something I'd really like to do.
But as a general phenomenon.
We have a situation which public sector unions yet.
Julian is a dollars in dues which they hand back to the politicians who -- sweeten the pot for them in an unending circle that's a bad idea.
You have a strong record I think it's fair to say a balancing the budget as governor of Indiana and let's take a look at the record.
You inherited a 600 million dollar deficit and turned it into a 370 million dollar surplus.
The next year he ended the last fiscal year with a reserve fund of 830 million dollars.
And at the C -- conference.
Two weeks ago.
You talked about the greatest threat facing this country let's watch.
We face an enemy gleeful -- liberty and even more applicable than those America has defeated before I refer of course.
And adapt our nation has amassed -- itself over decades and indulgence.
Is the new red menace this time consisting of -- I wanna do a lightning round -- we have limited time quick questions quick answers what would you do about Social Security.
I would bifurcated I would say those in the program were approaching it.
Deal's a deal you're good to go nothing changes for the young people who are paying for today's retirees and tomorrow's.
-- we we want you to have something when you retire -- need a brand new compact I think it starts with means testing which is to say we shouldn't send a pension check that Donald Trump.
We should concentrate the resources on those who were going to need them the most I think we should.
In the future raise the retirement age to catch up to.
The medical reality of of our time I think we should protect the benefits against inflation but not over protect them -- as I said many times in the past.
That's my cut -- it if somebody's got another route that gets us.
-- assurance that the same result I'd like to hear it because I just wanna see a solution to this before destroys the America we found you talk about Medicare two point private voucher is not a government program it -- a government program.
But instead of top down monstrosity that we have today.
I once again I would.
I would divide the program and say to those who have who -- in it or who are about to be -- it.
Nothing will change for you but I think for the young people coming up we're going to shoulder the bills.
We ought to trust them to make more their own decisions you could again concentrate their resources on the poorest people and also in this case the least healthy people people who are better -- to give them a private doctors that they could choose their own insurance plan -- it.
You even decided -- government should put limits on end of of life care.
-- are you talking about what Sarah Palin called the death panels now I didn't think government should put limits on -- so what I'm worried about as the government is the government making these decisions.
I it is stated what I think is -- simple fact -- wish it wasn't but I think it is that we cannot afford.
In an aging society to pay for the most expensive technology every.
For every single person regardless of income.
To the very very last -- another person who makes that decision I think it has -- at least that part of it has to be the family.
And the patient himself or herself I mean -- let -- government at some point say we can't afford to give that the 92 year old the liver transplant.
Chris site diligent I think with some specificity what I think ought to have in social security and Medicare.
I just answered it question honestly I think this problem we'll have to be addressed I don't pretend to have an exact answer to this one except that.
Auto pilot won't work do you think voters are ready.
I mean it's it's talked about some things -- seemed to be sort of political temple has given voters are ready for such strong medicine I can't tell you that for sure.
But I have a little movement more confidence may be an American citizenry then and then summon.
In politics today.
I I do believe -- think of people already did.
Step up -- that once they have the real facts much many of these facts that you may know.
And have not been shared honestly with the American people -- not.
I'd get a little more credit -- I think some of our politicians do.
You you also have a record as the first budget director under President Bush 43 George W.
When you came in this country had an annual surplus for the first time in thirty years of 236.
Billion dollars when you left.
Two and a half years light of the deficit was 400 billion you were also there when President Bush launched -- Medicare drug benefit plan.
That now -- sixty billion dollars a year I know there was a recession.
But do you think it was wise at a time when we were fighting two wars to have to tax cuts and launch a huge new entitlement.
Well -- -- recession recession to wars and terrorist attack that led to a whole new category called Homeland Security so.
At that nobody was less having an -- that surplus go away but it was going away would -- matter who was president you know Chris.
I was proud to be part of that administration yes I think -- -- original tax cuts were good and and and timely and help the economy to recover very very quickly from that.
If you wanna know what I think about fiscal issues don't look at two and a half years where I was in the supporting cast with -- -- look at six years where I was in -- responsible position submitting budgets and fighting for them and now there's the record that I think it.
His most accurate you.
Also infuriated the right by calling for a truce on social issues here's -- is that -- C -- Didn't change requires big majorities.
We will need people who never tune into rush from Glenn -- Laura -- -- But some conservatives say that abortion and traditional marriage shouldn't be negotiable in our next guest Mike Huckabee says and he's a fan of yours.
Says he's disappointed.
That you would suggest that troll -- -- activists.
Would just -- -- Why isn't what I suggested that the truth and first of all the only intrusive both sides agreed -- stop fighting for a little while.
I don't ever argue with anybody about this it was a suggestion really tactically it starts with the promise that our nation is -- mortal risk.
I'd love -- -- I'd love to lower.
That I'm wrong about this that the debt is not threatening are not just our economy our tire away alive -- role in the world maybe even our national security.
Now if you.
Share that fear that all I'm saying is we're gonna have to unify a lot of -- went to get a lot of people together to make these -- you ask me these.
Tackling these problems.
That we're talking about.
It's supposed to be politically -- doable well.
If we're gonna do the -- do we're gonna need to gather ourselves together as a nation.
And that will by definition.
They'll have to be some folks in that coalition who.
Do disagree about other things we've got about a minute left where you one running for president.
Wash -- -- decided to do it and decided not to them and keep in the option open as I've been urged to put.
Note that Chris.
I never expected to run for any office.
All -- set out to do that was to try my best for four years maybe eight to make a better state more prosperous Peyton Place side of and you know it any thought I ever had about national.
Issues was -- we could set some good examples and create some successes others could look at and -- it may be here in their offer constructive thought and that's still where I am and windy -- to make a decision went and you set a timeline for yourself.
Now -- and others others keep suggesting that these deadlines and and they keep passing I think it's one of the great breaks we've had is.
Voters that this thing didn't start with some upset when the legislature goes -- to such -- may never be in session in April.
I'm giving my full attention to duty the job I hired on.
4 and I hope that would that are Democrats get out a hot we'll go back to work we'll finish at the end of April.
And that if they don't I'll still be there and so will play eventually.
Because that's that that's my duty if it means that deadlines -- it does finally governor some people have suggested that you don't.
Barack Obama 61 -- 57.
He's charismatic and forgive me but some people suggest perhaps you're not.
Does not matter.
Well I think probably know -- some voters I've never in.
In that that limited -- elective.
At a time I've had I've never suggested -- -- voter what they should consider.
A valid criterion so.
In assured -- comes down that heightened here -- brought wouldn't do very well but.
I guess -- to suck you weigh in the balance with many other factors.
Governor downs who -- -- thank you so much for coming -- I hope you feel better.
And he should be Garcia and Graham -- it's always good to see you and we'll be waiting to see what happens and Indiana what happens on the presidential -- thanks thanks.
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